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neko_kawaii
March 1st, 2017, 04:25 PM
Our Bparnell invented this one.

Original photo here http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=98504&p=3350267&viewfull=1#post3350267

Description of how to form the bun:

Let me see if I can describe it. pony goes under two fingers and up and around them. Then making the shape of a figure eight around the thumb and back round the original two fingers over and over until the length is used up. tightly holding the hair around the two fingers slip it off and put the fork right into the middle of that first loop, under original pony and through the loop that came off of the thumb. I kinda squeeze the two loops together as I put on the fork. Neither arm ever goes over the head. That's the best I can do. I will work on camera and way to record a tutorial then post it........THE PALMIER "NO BUN" BUN.
(From this post (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=98504&p=3350817&viewfull=1#post3350817).)

Input from Wispe

Okay, I had to try it out for myself because reasons. I think I got it! I can hold it with a fork but all mine obscure the loops, which kind of defeats the point IMO, so I tried and just managed it with a stick, but it's less secure this way. The way it wraps likes to stick out weird from a side view, but it is minimized if I twist the tail before wrapping around the fingers. I suspect if I had a french barrette or smaller slide I could pin that bump down right above the bun and it'd look fine, but I don't own any clips like that as they all just slip right out of my hair. I get better hold and less of a hump if I braid nearly down to the nape, then twist/bun the remainder and make sure the stick goes under/through the last stitch of the braid...

(From this post (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=98504&p=3351372&viewfull=1#post3351372).)

Might be tricky with longer hair. If you come up with modifications to accommodate length, share!

If anyone makes a video and shares, I'll add the link here.
ETA: Wispy made a video!

https://youtu.be/mf5luRa_5Ws

wispe
March 3rd, 2017, 04:56 PM
I've gained a little length since I first did this and I've had recent success by wrapping my 'tail' around the base of the bun after I run out of room on my fingers (I currently wrap once around my fingers, once around the thumb, then bring the tail under the first loop and start to wrap around the base). Feels more secure, solves that issue I was thinking of using a barrette for initially, and would probably be a good way to use up some extra length. I can try to make a video sometime, if there's interest.

edit: quick pics of my Palmier Swirl variation~
http://i.imgur.com/j2oKguh.jpg?1 http://i.imgur.com/qmOtXa4.jpg?1

dvep
March 3rd, 2017, 10:45 PM
It looks super pretty but I have no clue what I'm doing! As soon as a video can be made I will give it a go.

bparnell75
March 4th, 2017, 11:05 AM
I've gained a little length since I first did this and I've had recent success by wrapping my 'tail' around the base of the bun after I run out of room on my fingers (I currently wrap once around my fingers, once around the thumb, then bring the tail under the first loop and start to wrap around the base). Feels more secure, solves that issue I was thinking of using a barrette for initially, and would probably be a good way to use up some extra length. I can try to make a video sometime, if there's interest.

edit: quick pics of my Palmier Swirl variation~
http://i.imgur.com/j2oKguh.jpg?1 http://i.imgur.com/qmOtXa4.jpg?1
Please DO MAKE A VIDEO. i JUST DO NOT HAVE THE EQUIPMENT.

wispe
March 4th, 2017, 01:58 PM
It looks super pretty but I have no clue what I'm doing! As soon as a video can be made I will give it a go.


Please DO MAKE A VIDEO. i JUST DO NOT HAVE THE EQUIPMENT.

I'll try to make one in the next few days; my phone has a camera that should get the job done. I'm just waiting on this bit of eczema on my jaw/neck to heal a little so I don't look diseased while I film, LOL.

dvep
March 4th, 2017, 03:57 PM
I'll try to make one in the next few days; my phone has a camera that should get the job done. I'm just waiting on this bit of eczema on my jaw/neck to heal a little so I don't look diseased while I film, LOL.

I have SD so I totally know what you're talking about! No worries!

Alissalocks
March 4th, 2017, 04:13 PM
It's really pretty! My Houdini hair prevents me from wearing buns as often, but I'd love to give this a try with some video assistance from wispe when she's ready. :)

bparnell75
March 4th, 2017, 10:13 PM
i think this is an updo that is great for those of us who have thin hair with fairy tale ends. A thick blunt cut would make it difficult.
I have tail bone length, Pony thickness is about the same as my pointer finger. This is the same as my Avatar pic
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/765/32024435632_c5b7a8a29b.jpg

bparnell75
March 5th, 2017, 04:14 PM
The original bun was created out of a necessity to redo hair discretely in public without raising arm over my head.

the Wispe variation is prettier and solves the problem of longer ends but it does require the arm going above the head. Anyway I tried it for church this morning. I think i will keep it as one of my stock buns.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/596/33145497141_0401af712b.jpg

languagenut
March 5th, 2017, 06:29 PM
No success so far; not sure if I'm doing it wrong, or if the combination of thick hair and small hands just isn't working out for me.

bparnell75
March 6th, 2017, 09:14 AM
So Sorry, but I do think thick hair would make this one hard. My hair is /i which is the thinnest classification. The Wisp version of this bun looks very much like a modified pha bun, which can be done on thicker hair and soooo elegant. Have you tried that one? I often start off with the modified pha on the nape of my neck, which I think is elegant, but the friction of back and forth motion of the hair will loosen it in a few hours, then I redo with the Palmier if I am in public. This happened in a Kohl's store yesterday and the clerk waiting on me was in awe of how quickly I did it.

wispe
March 8th, 2017, 09:39 PM
I've been twisting this counterclockwise and wrapping around my left hand, but I tried it today by twisting clockwise instead and it holds so much better now! So if you're struggling with getting it to swirl or stay try giving it a twist either way at the beginning.

I shot a quick video and will post it when I get it uploaded. It's just me in my bathroom doin' this bun and two variations I've worn it in lately. I didn't do any talking or anything, I'm not sure if I should try to do a voice-over or a written overlay on the video or just post it plain, but I'll try to get it up soon.

ETA:

The original bun was created out of a necessity to redo hair discretely in public without raising arm over my head.

the Wispe variation is prettier and solves the problem of longer ends but it does require the arm going above the head. Anyway I tried it for church this morning. I think i will keep it as one of my stock buns.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/596/33145497141_0401af712b.jpg

Yeah, my variation totally ignored the point of keeping the arms low. It's very pretty on you! (and if it falls out, at least you can re-do with the regular palmier without drawing attention to yourself).


No success so far; not sure if I'm doing it wrong, or if the combination of thick hair and small hands just isn't working out for me.

Perhaps after you wrap around your fingers or your thumb, place the ends of those fingers on your head while you wrap around your other digit? I have to put my thumb against my neck especially while I'm wrapping or the loop will slide off on occasion. And when I go to twist my fingers up after I've wrapped to stick a fork in it, I use the ring finger of my hand (the one I've wrapped around) and I pinch it together with my thumb so the loop can't fall apart while I get the fork through the loop on the other fingers. And once your fingers are full and you can't wrap more loops around them, if you still have any tail left you can just wrap it around the entire base (my variation of the bun) perhaps? I don't have the thickness or length to test this out in person but I think it might help.

wispe
March 10th, 2017, 07:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5luRa_5Ws

Hopefully this is clear enough video, sorry about the slight angle. Nothing fancy, just bunning.

Arctic
March 11th, 2017, 06:34 AM
Aah, thanks for the video! I had some trouble figuring out few steps of the written instructions to see if this is same or just similar to a bun I've been doing. I think mine is a Palmier variation too, I have also always wrapped around the tail around the pony. I don't do any twisting personally though. Lately I've been doing a double tail version because it suits better with my length/thickness ratio.
Photo in my blog (the second photo): http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/entry.php?b=129068

wispe
March 11th, 2017, 09:29 AM
The twisting of the pony is totally optional, for me the style is more secured if I do it but I've worn it without twisting before. But I also like that when I twist my pony some more of my blonde swirls through the center so that's another reason I do it, haha. I'm a firm believer in tweaking styles to make them work better with my hair.

Yours certainly does look like a Palmier variation too! I've done a similar palmier variation with sectioned hair, to get more swirlage in my bun B) I should have taken a photo. I only didn't because it spit out one of my sticks before I'd had a chance. My hair was throwing a tantrum that day!

bparnell75
March 11th, 2017, 10:12 AM
Aah, thanks for the video! I had some trouble figuring out few steps of the written instructions to see if this is same or just similar to a bun I've been doing. I think mine is a Palmier variation too, I have also always wrapped around the tail around the pony. I don't do any twisting personally though. Lately I've been doing a double tail version because it suits better with my length/thickness ratio.
Photo in my blog (the second photo): http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/entry.php?b=129068

Arctic, the last pic on your blog looks correct for the Palmier -Wispe version. I really like the Wispe version but I still have to put my arm over my head. So sometimes I start with the wispe version and when those ends of mine which are not quite long enough to do that second wrap around the pony securely come loose then I redo it without the wrap. So you figured it out before wispe and I did. It also occurs to me that this is kind of an inverted L infinity when the tail is wrapped around the Pony. Thanks for sharing.

bparnell75
March 11th, 2017, 10:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5lura_5ws

hopefully this is clear enough video, sorry about the slight angle. Nothing fancy, just bunning.

very nice wispe! Perfect. Thank you so much.

Arctic
March 11th, 2017, 10:17 AM
Yes you are right, I think I made this one first time when I was trying to do an L-infinity from out of my memory.

Alissalocks
March 11th, 2017, 01:24 PM
Thank you for posting that, wispe, that helped me a lot. I think I did it? https://s18.postimg.org/lw9994pa1/IMG_2086.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/xld8x3g8l/)

It's hard to see with my black color, I had my son take this is in full sunlight to try to help.

bparnell75
March 12th, 2017, 02:51 PM
Nice Palmier.... You did it Alissalocks

pandabarrier
March 12th, 2017, 03:18 PM
Congrats Alissalocks, on doing the Palmier bun! :happydance:
Your hair color is beautiful, too.

Alissalocks
March 13th, 2017, 07:21 AM
Congrats Alissalocks, on doing the Palmier bun! :happydance:
Your hair color is beautiful, too. Thank you!! I appreciate it!! (Indigo) :laugh:

bparnell75
March 15th, 2017, 11:28 AM
Wispe, I really like your new Avatar pic. Thanks for all your help on the video too!

Sunbeam1788
March 18th, 2017, 08:28 AM
I also failed to repeat this style:( However, it looks so nice! I often have troubles with my hair, because it is so long and sometimes brings me a lot of inconveniences. Thus, Palmier Bun would be my savior and nice alternative to a pony tail.

wispe
March 19th, 2017, 10:30 AM
Thank you for posting that, wispe, that helped me a lot. I think I did it? https://s18.postimg.org/lw9994pa1/IMG_2086.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/xld8x3g8l/)

It's hard to see with my black color, I had my son take this is in full sunlight to try to help.
It looks to me like you did it! I like it on you a lot!


Wispe, I really like your new Avatar pic. Thanks for all your help on the video too!
Oh, thank you! I'm glad to be able to help a little, I've always found it easiest to learn new styles from watching it being done and I figure I can't be the only one, so I don't mind trying to help out a little (:


I also failed to repeat this style:( However, it looks so nice! I often have troubles with my hair, because it is so long and sometimes brings me a lot of inconveniences. Thus, Palmier Bun would be my savior and nice alternative to a pony tail.
I'm sorry you're having trouble! If you don't get the hang of the palmier there are probably other buns you could do low on the head to replace a ponytail? It seems like those with very long hair have had trouble with getting all of it wrapped into this bun, so maybe it is not ideal for you.

neko_kawaii
March 20th, 2017, 08:07 PM
I'm going to need to try this again. My first attempt was. . .interesting, but nothing like the original. Not sure where I went off from the instructions!

samanthaa
March 22nd, 2017, 12:12 PM
Here is my Palmier in two different lightings. Look at how my henna behaves! Ugh grow faster.

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26668&d=1490206029

I only have a Ficcare with me at work, but even with the Ficcare it's not super stable...I'm not sure how you all are getting a fork to hold it!

Arctic
March 22nd, 2017, 12:16 PM
My best bet is to wrap the tail around the base and use spin or U-shaped pins rather than sticks/forks. I'm not a big ficcare fan but it does look really lovely with your bun, a bit gibson tuck-like.

bparnell75
March 22nd, 2017, 12:59 PM
Samantha, it looks lovely. I own no clips like that so I use just the forks, the more prongs the better.

MoniLein
March 24th, 2017, 08:01 AM
I tried this bun today - my hair on top didn't stay in place so I secured it with a flexi

http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y370/istris83/Frisuren/HSotM%20-%20LHC/2017-03_zpsbp4dzuts.jpg (http://s1030.photobucket.com/user/istris83/media/Frisuren/HSotM%20-%20LHC/2017-03_zpsbp4dzuts.jpg.html)

bparnell75
March 24th, 2017, 10:50 AM
That is darling. I will try it. How long and thick is your hair?

PixieP
March 24th, 2017, 06:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5luRa_5Ws

Hopefully this is clear enough video, sorry about the slight angle. Nothing fancy, just bunning.

I love seeing your hair in action <3

wispe
March 25th, 2017, 06:33 PM
Here is my Palmier in two different lightings. Look at how my henna behaves! Ugh grow faster.

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26668&d=1490206029

I only have a Ficcare with me at work, but even with the Ficcare it's not super stable...I'm not sure how you all are getting a fork to hold it!
I've tried and failed to hold this with a ficcare, probably because the ficcare grabs hair from the middle of the loops and the top, vs. when it's held with a fork you're also grabbing hair from the scalp and base of the loops to secure it.


I tried this bun today - my hair on top didn't stay in place so I secured it with a flexi

http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y370/istris83/Frisuren/HSotM%20-%20LHC/2017-03_zpsbp4dzuts.jpg (http://s1030.photobucket.com/user/istris83/media/Frisuren/HSotM%20-%20LHC/2017-03_zpsbp4dzuts.jpg.html)
Love the accent flexi + that fork combo; very pretty on you!


I love seeing your hair in action <3
Thank you <3 I definitely need to find a better angle/way to film though, since I'm too short to fit into frame the way I had my camera here LOL

Reyesuela
March 27th, 2017, 04:16 PM
I give up!!! My hair is too slick. I did it loose. I did it tight. I anchored the bottom with pins. When it was finally secure, I went in the car and after 15 minutes of sitting, the fork was violently spat across the front seat of the car.

I surrender.

Reyesuela
March 27th, 2017, 04:30 PM
Okay. Here is my thought: Even with my slick hair, it would work if the base were thinner.

I tried it as a half-up style and it totally worked.

I think it wouldn't work for >4.5" even as a part up--you would end up with too little hair to anchor it right unless you've got really easy to secure hait.

Hair LENGTH doesn't seem to matter so much.

MoniLein
March 30th, 2017, 02:58 PM
thank you, wispe :)

that's too bad, Reyesuela :(

TiffPhares
March 31st, 2017, 08:40 AM
I ended up trying it as a half up, it looks great on you guys but I think my texture is making mine look like a blob. Maybe I will revisit this one when I hit mid back, even then I think it will only work as a half up for me.
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah297/TiffPhares/WP_20170331_0121_zpsjiwojllw.jpg
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah297/TiffPhares/WP_20170331_0131_zpsoggj3abm.jpg (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/TiffPhares/media/WP_20170331_0131_zpsoggj3abm.jpg.html)

Sorry for the blurry pictures. My 7yr old took them.

bparnell75
April 11th, 2017, 09:48 AM
The Wispe-Palmier pastry bun with a beaded 8. this is a keeper style. It really held.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2871/33832606281_b518327a5a_z.jpg

wispe
April 11th, 2017, 03:07 PM
I ended up trying it as a half up, it looks great on you guys but I think my texture is making mine look like a blob. Maybe I will revisit this one when I hit mid back, even then I think it will only work as a half up for me.
[pics]

Sorry for the blurry pictures. My 7yr old took them.
I think it looks nice still! Maybe try giving the pony a twist before you wrap it - that seriously helped with defining my version of it. I had to try it several times twisting in different directions because I found out I need to twist the opposite way that I normally do to get it to hold secure and not blob out over the top.



The Wispe-Palmier pastry bun with a beaded 8. this is a keeper style. It really held.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2871/33832606281_b518327a5a_z.jpg

Oh! I hadn't thought to use a flexi/slide toy to hold it. It really does look secure!

exclusively di
June 24th, 2017, 09:44 PM
I started doing this in 2007 or so, It has sort of been my signature bun. The important thing to remember is that your fork, stick, flexi, whatever has to go through the loops around your fingers ABOVE the middle crossing point. If it's directly under the crossing point there is too much bulk, and if it's below it, there is nothing to hold it all up. I have done it when I had lost so much hair I was almost bald, vertically, horizontally, high on my head, low on my nape, as a half up, you name it. See if it will work for you.

bparnell75
February 18th, 2018, 04:56 PM
One I wore to church this AM
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4714/40346750781_4fa2135e43_n.jpg

AmaryllisRed
February 18th, 2018, 05:27 PM
Very pretty and I love how that blue just pops!
I'll have to look this one up.

bparnell75
October 8th, 2018, 10:48 AM
This mornings Palmier wispe version. self made wooden, tye dye fork.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1955/45182814611_6d284e9190.jpg

bparnell75
August 14th, 2019, 10:29 AM
Today's Palmier with my new self made three prong fork.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48537118241_b5b6c532b5.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48405749851_01234669ea.jpg

MusicalSpoons
August 14th, 2019, 04:02 PM
Oooh very nice!

I keep trying this bun every now and then, to see if I can finally get the hang of it, but alas - not yet. I don't want to blame it on having too much hair :couch: but it all does get a bit messy and tight. Any tips from folks with thigh-length or longer?

AmaryllisRed
August 14th, 2019, 06:50 PM
Yeah I cannot get it to work. Even if I only do a third of my thickness, I have to wrap the length around in the "figure 8" part too many times and it starts to fall off my thumb.
The few times I've managed to get something I can stick a fork through, it looks like a jumbled mess, not the lovely, intricate creation it's supposed to be.

And I am totally blaming too much hair. :)

bparnell75
August 15th, 2019, 11:08 PM
Yeah I cannot get it to work. Even if I only do a third of my thickness, I have to wrap the length around in the "figure 8" part too many times and it starts to fall off my thumb.
The few times I've managed to get something I can stick a fork through, it looks like a jumbled mess, not the lovely, intricate creation it's supposed to be.

And I am totally blaming too much hair. :)

Sorry ladies. I am classic but quite thin.....so the part that wraps around is thin like a pencil. Fairy tail I guess.

MusicalSpoons
August 16th, 2019, 05:14 AM
Yeah I cannot get it to work. Even if I only do a third of my thickness, I have to wrap the length around in the "figure 8" part too many times and it starts to fall off my thumb.
The few times I've managed to get something I can stick a fork through, it looks like a jumbled mess, not the lovely, intricate creation it's supposed to be.

And I am totally blaming too much hair. :)


Sorry ladies. I am classic but quite thin.....so the part that wraps around is thin like a pencil. Fairy tail I guess.

My lengths are thin but I think needing to wrap too many times is the culprit. I guess I could try to modify it but the real appeal of this was not needing to wrap anything around the base - every single bun I've ever tried since being at LHC requires a zillion wraps around the base because there's so much thin length left over, which tightens everything up and makes the bun stick out (and not in a good way - it's just a bump in the middle). Plus any modifications I can think of so far make it into a different, already-existing bun :doh:

I'll keep mulling this over :hmm: