The Houdini-hair club thread

[TatsuOni]

Is your hair silky, slippery and can escape any updo? Then this is the club for you!

https://cdn3.cdnme.se/1263465/9-3/1_5880cbc7ddf2b36ec7858d54.jpg

[Cg]

That's me, all right. No hairtoy, no pin, is safe from sudden and permanent loss.

[hayheadsbird]

This is the club for me! Things are generally not to bad the day after a wash, but by day 3/4 it's so blooming floppy nothing holds!

[school of fish]

I'm in! There is no hairtoy technology that can contain this escape artist I've got living on my head...

[Arctic]

I will just marvel at your hair houdiniantics! My old, original hair type would have qualified, it was very slippery. My current hair type is more textured and I have tamed my houdini (or so it seems, some days it still emerges!).

[littlestarface]

Mine is more like a lifer doing 100+ years trying to find any way to escape especially when he goes for outside recreation time. I dunno how many times I caught him trying to slip past and go out in the wide open world but thank god I catch just in time *woo* He is currently in solitary confinement(ie crown braid) 24 hours a aday except for shower time of course once a week under careful watch with snipers at every entrance. Don't get me wrong he still tries to escape lock down at night via slipping past the steel pins but I got him figured out now and keep him contained until the morning than back in the steel pin he goes.

Last night at chow time he was trying to escape as I was making the grub for the rest of the boys but good thing one of my guards caught him and put him back into place. I dunno what to do with this guy, he's always keeping me on my very chubby tiny toes.

[kittengirl]

Mine is more like a lifer doing 100+ years trying to find any way to escape especially when he goes for outside recreation time. I dunno how many times I caught him trying to slip past and go out in the wide open world but thank god I catch just in time *woo* He is currently in solitary confinement(ie crown braid) 24 hours a aday except for shower time of course once a week under careful watch with snipers at every entrance. Don't get me wrong he still tries to escape lock down at night via slipping past the steel pins but I got him figured out now and keep him contained until the morning than back in the steel pin he goes.

Last night at chow time he was trying to escape as I was making the grub for the rest of the boys but good thing one of my guards caught him and put him back into place. I dunno what to do with this guy, he's always keeping me on my very chubby tiny toes.

This is hilarious! :p My hair also likes to escape.

[Rebeccalaurenxx]

If it ain't tight it ain't right. I need a pretty tight bun or MANY spin pins for my hair to hold. Especially after a few days.

[ephemeri]

This thread is amazing and hilarious. I wish I could join just for the name! :rollin:

[TatsuOni]

It has been decided that if we get a club shirt the front will say "I'm not having a bad hairday. I just have Houdini-hair!" The back will say "You can't read this because my hair Houdini-ed out of its bun!"

[school of fish]

Just woke up this morning and my hair has slipped its sleep bun. Again.

I marvel at your incredible powers of escape, oh Houdini hair!!!

[Alissalocks]

All of the YES!!! Houdini hair, of course... There is no bun that can hold this escape artist and keep it confined. Not without pulling, tearing and damaging :shudder: I had good luck with the L-finity bun. Once. Then it got slipperier and slipperier (yea 1a hair), and nope. Can't wear them now for more than 5 minutes.

I have yet to try forks, maybe that is the lock my own Houdini won't be able to pick? Do you think my hair keeps picks hidden away the same as Houdini would hide picks in his mouth during escapes?

(Maybe if I found a milk can for my hair...?)
(Straight jacket?)

[RebekahE]

Joining! My hair fits this category to a t. Getting my ends tucked under and staying tucked under is a challenge whenever I wear a bun.

[TatsuOni]

Oh yes the "just tuck your ends in" buns never works. My Houdini hair just laughs at them and thinks that they are absolutely no challenge :laugh:

[school of fish]

Tuck... your ends... in...?
What does that even mean!! :p ;)

[TatsuOni]

Tuck... your ends... in...?
What does that even mean!! :p ;)

I think it means, hide the ends for two seconds, so that your hair can get warmed up by spitting it out, before giving up and going over to more a more challenging exercise for your hair :laugh:

[school of fish]

Oh! That thing! Hahaha!!!

My current sleep bun is either a nautilus or lazy wrap postioned way up high like a topknot, and when I tuck in the ends they hold for about 2 seconds before sliding out and fashioning themselves into a sort of 'ends comb-over' type do. Tres sexy......!!

[TatsuOni]

Oh! That thing! Hahaha!!!

My current sleep bun is either a nautilus or lazy wrap postioned way up high like a topknot, and when I tuck in the ends they hold for about 2 seconds before sliding out and fashioning themselves into a sort of 'ends comb-over' type do. Tres sexy......!!

I think that with Houdini hair it's kinda' messy bun or no bun. And messy isn't beautifuly messy...

[lithostoic]

Mine used to be this way, now, not so much. I still have trouble keeping a high ponytail though lol.

[rags]

I've called mine Houdini hair for years, lol. My worst aggravation is when it manages to lose the ties off the ends of braids. :rolleyes: The silicone ones, pulled as tight as they can - nope. No problem, it slithers right out. It likes to slither out of most any braid except a Dutch, actually. I don't know why, but Dutch braids just hold better!

[pili]

My hair isn't slippery, but it does throw temper tantrums and goes all Hulk on hair ties, clips, spinpins, bobby pins, etc. I'll just be standing there and "snap/crack/ping!" Whatever was in my hair is now broken and my hair is falling all over the place. Does that count?

[Cg]

I have yet to try forks, maybe that is the lock my own Houdini won't be able to pick? Do you think my hair keeps picks hidden away the same as Houdini would hide picks in his mouth during escapes?

Don't hold your breath on forks holding all day. They do hold better than sticks, but we HHs still have to redo buns fairly often no matter the toy.

[wispe]

One of the reasons I never wore my hair up before I joined LHC is my virgin hair was pretty slippery (thus why I didn't learn how to braid before, either). These days my bleached lengths help things hold a little better, but the mane is still a bit escapist at times. I find dutch braids also hold better for me than french do, I think because the hair doesn't have as far to go before it gets braided in. Also a better base for buns that slip less. I will say even a dutch loosens up majorly overnight for me. I just taught myself to do a 5-strand ribbon braid (works like a dutch with a zig-zag of ribbon down the center) and it holds quite tighter than a normal dutch. I wore it overnight and it's still pretty tight and not so mussed I couldn't wear it out if I wanted to. I suppose maybe it's a little like taping a braid down (and a bit of a handful to braid on yourself) but I thought I'd share the observation.

Buns, now. I've yet to find a bun that doesn't need adjusting or re-doing the whole day. Even if the length stays in the bun, the whole thing will eventually slip and turn, and sometimes spit out toys if I don't pay enough attention to it. Doesn't really matter the toy, either.

[hayheadsbird]

Buns, now. I've yet to find a bun that doesn't need adjusting or re-doing the whole day. Even if the length stays in the bun, the whole thing will eventually slip and turn, and sometimes spit out toys if I don't pay enough attention to it. Doesn't really matter the toy, either.

I've had most luck with spin pins. Messy by the end of the day but still up!

[Crystawni]

Hair that slips from nighttime updos, completely spitting out hairtoys? Oh yeah.
Hair that laughs at silk sleeping bonnets as containment. Oh yeah.
Hair that creates its own flopped-out bun within seconds of securing? Oh yeah.
Fat braids from the escapee artist in motion? Yup.
Neck-tickling enders that mean the updo is downward bound. Yup.
Droop and floop? Of course.
The longer from washday, the Houdinier the hair? Tell me about it!

Twisted or braided buns work best for me, and spin pins secured into the stem of a stick or forked updo can help, but aren't a sure-bet. Two sticks are often better than one, although forks (thicker Jeters are da bomb) work better than sticks. Invisibobble-type hairties grab nicely for me, too, where no others compare. When swimming, those (on the end of a braid) and XL flexi-8s (in a high, twisted bun) are the only things that stay put. My layered ends also help when bunning where they wrap a little closer/tighter to the stem.

[TatsuOni]

My hair isn't slippery, but it does throw temper tantrums and goes all Hulk on hair ties, clips, spinpins, bobby pins, etc. I'll just be standing there and "snap/crack/ping!" Whatever was in my hair is now broken and my hair is falling all over the place. Does that count?

It rather sounds like "Hulk-hair" :p

My hair stays up better the farther I get from washday. The first five days or so after I wash it, it's just a slippery mess.

[hayheadsbird]

Chain braid experiment for sleeping last night. Unlike the normal top knot style bun, or Dutch or English braids, everything stayed in! Minimal shred, in fact the braids themselves were decent, only the canopy was slightly mussed. I could have gone out looking slightly wind blown but okay.
This might be my new go to sleep style :D

[TatsuOni]

Chain braid experiment for sleeping last night. Unlike the normal top knot style bun, or Dutch or English braids, everything stayed in! Minimal shred, in fact the braids themselves were decent, only the canopy was slightly mussed. I could have gone out looking slightly wind blown but okay.
This might be my new go to sleep style :D

I have to check out that style!

[hayheadsbird]

I have to check out that style!

The instructions I found
http://www.cutegirlshairstyles.com/hairstyles/flips/chain-link-braid/

And the results in my hair

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y216/hayheadsbird/Mobile%20Uploads/9563B0DA-0EE9-4E3A-BFD6-6B487D3508B2_zpsuaweblgn.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/hayheadsbird/media/Mobile%20Uploads/9563B0DA-0EE9-4E3A-BFD6-6B487D3508B2_zpsuaweblgn.jpg.html)

It's just two rope braids rope braided together, gives very defined braid waves when you take them out as well!

[Kiiruna]

My hair is like half-Houdini? It thinks it's super smart but doesn't realize that (sometimes) I'm smarter :lol: It does like to escape from sleep buns, because that's when I'm not keeping my eyes on it.

[TatsuOni]

The instructions I found
http://www.cutegirlshairstyles.com/hairstyles/flips/chain-link-braid/

And the results in my hair

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y216/hayheadsbird/Mobile%20Uploads/9563B0DA-0EE9-4E3A-BFD6-6B487D3508B2_zpsuaweblgn.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/hayheadsbird/media/Mobile%20Uploads/9563B0DA-0EE9-4E3A-BFD6-6B487D3508B2_zpsuaweblgn.jpg.html)

It's just two rope braids rope braided together, gives very defined braid waves when you take them out as well!

I will try that some day! Thoose are really cool looking braids! :)


My hair is like half-Houdini? It thinks it's super smart but doesn't realize that (sometimes) I'm smarter :lol: It does like to escape from sleep buns, because that's when I'm not keeping my eyes on it.

Then you can be a half member :laugh:

[Cg]

My hair stays up better the farther I get from washday.

Same here.

[Alissalocks]

Don't hold your breath on forks holding all day. They do hold better than sticks, but we HHs still have to redo buns fairly often no matter the toy.
See that's exactly what I'm afraid of, and why I haven't tried investing in any yet. :hmm: I'm not convinced it's worth my effort, ya know?

Spin pins do seem to be of minimal help though. What about other HHs? Spin pins?

ETA: oh! Just finished reading the entire thread and hayheadsbird mentions them too! I gotta try that braid....

[hayheadsbird]

See that's exactly what I'm afraid of, and why I haven't tried investing in any yet. :hmm: I'm not convinced it's worth my effort, ya know?

Spin pins do seem to be of minimal help though. What about other HHs? Spin pins?

ETA: oh! Just finished reading the entire thread and hayheadsbird mentions them too! I gotta try that braid....

Spin pinned cinibun works well for me. Holds up with just the shorter layers finding freedom by the end of the day.

[wispe]

You can take two chain link (a.k.a. hawser) braids and make a single cable braid by rope braiding the two together. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN6vViQJBWQ) Supposedly even less likely to fray than the hawser is. The more you know (:

I haven't made a ton of use of my spin pins in the past because my bun wasn't big enough to hide a full-length pin, and I wasn't able to find the shorties in blonde. Maybe I'm long enough my bun will hide them now; I'll have to try it out.

[lapushka]

I think some things might be product-dependent too. I tried Shea Moisture's Frizz-taming smoothie today for the first time, and used it as my leave-in underneath gel and my serum. When my hair is dry, I claw-clip it back up on a Sunday. No updo on a wash day, just quick clipping. My hair is sooo ridiculously soft that it actually slid right back out of my big claw clip... I have *never* ever had that happen before. I don't know whether to cheer or be disappointed. :lol:

[TatsuOni]

For holding buns forks are the best for me, second is hair sticks and spins pins comes in third place.

[school of fish]

Spin pins will hold for me maybe about an hour or two, tops. Pretty much anything I use to secure my hair has to be readjusted after a couple hours - so since that's the case if I do put my hair up it'll be with a stick. It has the least PITA factor for redoing ;)

[TatsuOni]

I agree on the "easy to redo factor". Forks and sticks are easier than spin pins :)

[TatsuOni]

Today I had a meeting with a company that will hire my company (I clean) and as we where walking down the hall so that he could show me where the the cleaning room (don't know if that's correct, just translated straight from Swedish in my head), I felt my bun starting to fall appart. I really didn't want to tell him to wait and hold the contract and other stuff I was carrying so that I could redo my hair :laugh: Luckily it held until I was walking down the stairs to my car and could redo it without bothering someone :laugh:

[Alissalocks]

Today I had a meeting with a company that will hire my company (I clean) and as we where walking down the hall so that he could show me where the the cleaning room (don't know if that's correct, just translated straight from Swedish in my head), I felt my bun starting to fall appart. I really didn't want to tell him to wait and hold the contract and other stuff I was carrying so that I could redo my hair :laugh: Luckily it held until I was walking down the stairs to my car and could redo it without bothering someone :laugh: :laugh: Work hair becomes especially tricksy. I was so proud of my braided bun that got spin pinned and Bobby pinned, but held for 8 hours of dance/choreography last week! But the scalp fatigue by the end of the day. Oy vey. Yesterday I had a two hour dance rehearsal, then spent 6 hours at the theatre doing load in, breaking down set pieces, reassembling, sweeping, moving chairs... But my side braids (Dutch?) made it to the end of the day! Frayed, but yes.

[TatsuOni]

:laugh: Work hair becomes especially tricksy. I was so proud of my braided bun that got spin pinned and Bobby pinned, but held for 8 hours of dance/choreography last week! But the scalp fatigue by the end of the day. Oy vey. Yesterday I had a two hour dance rehearsal, then spent 6 hours at the theatre doing load in, breaking down set pieces, reassembling, sweeping, moving chairs... But my side braids (Dutch?) made it to the end of the day! Frayed, but yes.

That's impressive!

[school of fish]

:laugh: Work hair becomes especially tricksy. I was so proud of my braided bun that got spin pinned and Bobby pinned, but held for 8 hours of dance/choreography last week! But the scalp fatigue by the end of the day. Oy vey. Yesterday I had a two hour dance rehearsal, then spent 6 hours at the theatre doing load in, breaking down set pieces, reassembling, sweeping, moving chairs... But my side braids (Dutch?) made it to the end of the day! Frayed, but yes.

Very impressive indeed! You've just reminded me of a bun I'll need to try the next time I need to attempt a long hold - the Jamie Leigh bun. I haven't tried it in ages but it was one I recall as being pretty secure and one I like the look of too :)

[school of fish]

So... I tried out that bun this morning - seriously unfun. I pretty much never braid so when I do I'm reminded just how much I HATE braiding this delicate, slippery, cobweb hair of mine... I also have the worst combination of physical/personality traits for braiding - teflon hair, layers, strands that resist separating into sections, snapping with the gentlest manipulation, very short arms and tiny fingers, perfectionist tendancies combined with lack of patience for this kind of finicky work, too much laziness to put in the practice and effort required to master braiding, and dissatisfaction with the end result so little motivation to persevere... :p :p :p

That said, I did it. Single dutch braid down the back of my head (taking sections from the sides french braid style), braid tail wrapped around the base with tassel tucked under, everything held together with 3 spins. I braided firmly and drove those spin pins in securely.

10min later I already feel it slipping. In that time I've done nothing more active than to sit in a chair drinking coffee. This hair refuses to be shackled!

I'm guessing I'd need about 17 spin pins, a can of aqua net, a team of specialists and a prayer circle to contain this slippery eel...! :P

[Alissalocks]

Wowza school of fish!! Those are some Houdini moves alright! I have to put mine in a low pony tail before braiding, that helps a wee bit on me. And I have layers, so my braids are pretty frayed in no time (but I just ignore it.) But yours is definitely slippity!

[school of fish]

Wowza school of fish!! Those are some Houdini moves alright! I have to put mine in a low pony tail before braiding, that helps a wee bit on me. And I have layers, so my braids are pretty frayed in no time (but I just ignore it.) But yours is definitely slippity!

Haha, it's slippity indeed! Way too slippity to hold updos decently, and yet ironically not slippity enough to let tangles glide out :p

I've managed to keep this bun in all day so far - it's technically intact although a thing of beauty it is not... I can feel it moving around back there when I shake my head, however I haven't had to resecure it so I suppose that's a win? Except for the way it looks part - that's definitely a fail, hahaha!!! ;)

[bparnell75]

All of the YES!!! Houdini hair, of course... There is no bun that can hold this escape artist and keep it confined. Not without pulling, tearing and damaging :shudder: I had good luck with the L-finity bun. Once. Then it got slipperier and slipperier (yea 1a hair), and nope. Can't wear them now for more than 5 minutes.

I have yet to try forks, maybe that is the lock my own Houdini won't be able to pick? Do you think my hair keeps picks hidden away the same as Houdini would hide picks in his mouth during escapes?

(Maybe if I found a milk can for my hair...?)
(Straight jacket?)

yes, I cannot keep a stick in unless the bun is very tight or the stick is a spiral. But Forks, sweet forks, 3 and 4 prong forks, especially curved ones that fit the head.....that is a lock that seldom gets picked.

[Crystawni]

Something I haven't used in donkeys ages that helps with texturising slippy hair is mousse. I just don't like the sticky, grippy feel of it on my hair. Actually, I don't like my hair feeling like it has anything in it after all the gels, mousses and hairsprays it was subjected to in the 80s. :lol: Oh, and sometimes a squirt of hairspray on a (plastic or similar) clip can help with hold, although gravity will always send ol' Houdini head south at some point.

[Vanilla Mint]

Definitely me. Fine hair, and lots of it = weight and no grip to hold styles D:

[meteor]

My hair tends to slide out of styles a lot, too. Especially when it's freshly washed.
Products play some part, as well, for example, just the right amount of silicones will make my hair ultra smooth and it will slide out of anything.
I think sometimes it's about styles, as well. For example, I used to always wear this braided half-cinnamon half-knot bun (braid wrapped around and ends tucked in), but when the hair got longer than tailbone, it started sliding out no matter what I did. I just had to graduate to a new updo (braided LWB) and that worked for a while, until the hair outgrew it and I had to move to braided L-Infinity... I highly recommend all sorts of braided updos for Houdini hair: the intersections add a bit of much needed grip for hairtoys to hold onto. And a braid made out of a few braids braided together will hold even more securely in an updo, so that's a good option for sports, for example.

[Atarah]

Oh, this was great to read! I was really starting to think something was wrong with my hair!

It often slides out of the tie when braided at night. Wash day it has to stay down; days 1 & 2 after washing must be braids or braided buns and those won't stay long. The farther I get from wash day the better it stays, some days it will even last most of the day in a Celtic knot or nautilus, but the only thing I've found to (usually) hold is a braided Ellingwoman bun and even that has to be day 3 or longer.

[pandabarrier]

I constantly have to redo my updos when I get to work, they either don't survive the commute or don't look presentable. I find bobby pins on the floor and I think 'uh, they are probably mine, slip and fell from my head at some point in time'.

[Crystawni]

My hair tends to slide out of styles a lot, too. Especially when it's freshly washed.
Products play some part, as well, for example, just the right amount of silicones will make my hair ultra smooth and it will slide out of anything.
I think sometimes it's about styles, as well. For example, I used to always wear this braided half-cinnamon half-knot bun (braid wrapped around and ends tucked in), but when the hair got longer than tailbone, it started sliding out no matter what I did. I just had to graduate to a new updo (braided LWB) and that worked for a while, until the hair outgrew it and I had to move to braided L-Infinity... I highly recommend all sorts of braided updos for Houdini hair: the intersections add a bit of much needed grip for hairtoys to hold onto. And a braid made out of a few braids braided together will hold even more securely in an updo, so that's a good option for sports, for example.

Braided updos work kinda okay for me if the braid decides to stay braided... So often I get this humongous braid thing happening as my hair slowly slides out and down, leaving just a few soft bumps of bigness before the final slipperoo. And this includes braided buns as it seems the confined weight of the braid gives gravity the extra nudge. I think the humidity where I am makes things a little too soft and fluid, too.

One trick I find helps a smidge is giving my bun ponytail a full twist to torque the stem before bunning. And along the same lines, twisted updos work better for me than just wrapping (so a Gibraltar bun works better than its non-twisted sister, the LWB).

[meteor]

Braided updos work kinda okay for me if the braid decides to stay braided... So often I get this humongous braid thing happening as my hair slowly slides out and down, leaving just a few soft bumps of bigness before the final slipperoo. And this includes braided buns as it seems the confined weight of the braid gives gravity the extra nudge. I think the humidity where I am makes things a little too soft and fluid, too.

One trick I find helps a smidge is giving my bun ponytail a full twist to torque the stem before bunning. And along the same lines, twisted updos work better for me than just wrapping (so a Gibraltar bun works better than its non-twisted sister, the LWB).

Absolutely! :agree: I don't like the "idea" of twisting (because I worry about potential breakage) but in practice, I have to twist at least somewhat, even though my bunning is already tight. I actually really like giving the braid(s) a twist where needed (usually at the base) when I'm bunning the braid(s), and this really helps the structure hold. Growing length definitely makes things easier to bun, too, but still, twisting here and there is necessary for me, especially if the hair is freshly washed and slippy.

[school of fish]

Me too - twisting is just a reality for me to anchor anything. I just posted a twisty finishing move I do in the puffed not-ilus thread and it's essential for keeping that bun in place.

My preference would be to not twist because not only to try to minimize mechanical damage but also because it plays up my hair's compressible nature... but it's necessity. That puffed bun does help to visually counteract the shrinkage factor though, which is a big reason why I like it ;)

[lithostoic]

My hair isn't even that slippery but it still manages to work its way out of buns. Maybe I just need more length? My hair is NOT thick so I don't understand why I have this problem.

[TatsuOni]

Not only does my hair slip out of buns, it also in some way manage to "unscrew" the spin pins... Am I the only one noticing that my spin pins is suddenly half way out of the bun?

[Arctic]

Not only does my hair slip out of buns, it also in some way manage to "unscrew" the spin pins... Am I the only one noticing that my spin pins is suddenly half way out of the bun?

That's super-houdini! How can that even happen, lol!?

[school of fish]

Not only does my hair slip out of buns, it also in some way manage to "unscrew" the spin pins... Am I the only one noticing that my spin pins is suddenly half way out of the bun?

Yes! This happens to me too!

I mentioned it in once in a thread about anchoring sleep buns and I think some people were a tad disbelieving, not understanding how spin pins could just unscrew themselves :p I think many people just can't conceive of how hair can be this level of slippy if they don't have it themselves, so they assume it has to be some issue of technique... It's a reasonable assumption but if they themselves had this hair they'd understand ;) It does rather defy logic, but it's a thing, even if it's not a massively common thing :)

I own a few spin pins that I break out every so often for some experimenting but I have yet to have a spin pin updo last a whole day so I just don't reach for them. A hairstick has been the solution for me because when it slips (and it always slips :p ) it's the quickest and easiest way to re-establish the bun - can do it in seconds and without a mirror.

I think for me if I want spin pins to anchor an updo effectively it would have to involve hairspray. Actually, maybe I'll try spraying the pins before screwing them in - hmmmm, there's a thought...!

[Arctic]

I interlock my spin pins on purpose, maybe that would help you guys with houdini hair types? It makes an extremely sturdy structure, and I can't see how they could unscrew when interlocked.

[TatsuOni]

That's super-houdini! How can that even happen, lol!?

The day I understand how my hair works I will tell you :laugh:


Yes! This happens to me too!

I mentioned it in once in a thread about anchoring sleep buns and I think some people were a tad disbelieving, not understanding how spin pins could just unscrew themselves :p I think many people just can't conceive of how hair can be this level of slippy if they don't have it themselves, so they assume it has to be some issue of technique... It's a reasonable assumption but if they themselves had this hair they'd understand ;) It does rather defy logic, but it's a thing, even if it's not a massively common thing :)

I own a few spin pins that I break out every so often for some experimenting but I have yet to have a spin pin updo last a whole day so I just don't reach for them. A hairstick has been the solution for me because when it slips (and it always slips :p ) it's the quickest and easiest way to re-establish the bun - can do it in seconds and without a mirror.

I think for me if I want spin pins to anchor an updo effectively it would have to involve hairspray. Actually, maybe I'll try spraying the pins before screwing them in - hmmmm, there's a thought...!

I agree on the stick updos since it's quick and easy to redo. Forks too.

Maybe we should attach a camera to the back of our heads to prove what Houdini-hair is capable of :laugh:

[Alissalocks]

Not only does my hair slip out of buns, it also in some way manage to "unscrew" the spin pins... Am I the only one noticing that my spin pins is suddenly half way out of the bun?
Me too! If I spin pin, I usually need to Bobby pin around it too, or it will be about half undone, just like you describe. Braided styles do better for me though, but loose will do this to me too.

[TatsuOni]

Me too! If I spin pin, I usually need to Bobby pin around it too, or it will be about half undone, just like you describe. Braided styles do better for me though, but loose will do this to me too.

Braided hairstyles doesn't really make a difference for me :p

The pic in the first post, I had twisted braids attached with spin pins attached in the dutch braids... The hair escaped and the pins kept screwing them selves out :p

[enterafox]

I didn't realise there was a name for this! I've been going through this site and people are so recommending updos for longer hair, but I can't even keep mine in a braid without it slipping out, let alone those lovely, fancy buns. I tried a fork bun once and the ends AND mids just slipped right out. I haven't tried spin pins, though I suppose they'd likely do the same.

It makes me wonder if I'll get a nice shine once my hair is darker again – because I am severely lacking that with the dye at the moment!

[Cg]

Evidently it's pretty easy for spin pins to unscrew and slide out when hair is as slick as ours. Though Amish pins and roller pins stay somewhat longer than screws, there really is no such thing as pins that stay. Besides which, spin pins don't even hold my hair without an auxiliary set of other anchors so I just gave up on 'em.

[TatsuOni]

I didn't realise there was a name for this! I've been going through this site and people are so recommending updos for longer hair, but I can't even keep mine in a braid without it slipping out, let alone those lovely, fancy buns. I tried a fork bun once and the ends AND mids just slipped right out. I haven't tried spin pins, though I suppose they'd likely do the same.

It makes me wonder if I'll get a nice shine once my hair is darker again – because I am severely lacking that with the dye at the moment!

There's a name for it since a month back :laugh: But my hair does hold better now that it's longer. It still slips out but since it passed 30" it stays up for a bit longer :) I also prefer invisiboobles for braids since they are a bit harder for the hair to spit out :p


As much as I prefer sticks or forks, I can't use them when it's cold and I have to wear a winter cap. I'm so looking forward to spring!

[meteor]

Not only does my hair slip out of buns, it also in some way manage to "unscrew" the spin pins... Am I the only one noticing that my spin pins is suddenly half way out of the bun?


That's super-houdini! How can that even happen, lol!?

Hmm, I don't use spin pins (they look too tiny for my hair to even bother experimenting with), but I have the same problem with sticks/fork that are a bit too small for my bun. They work perfectly well with "frame buns" and half-up structures, but they slide out of some full buns, because of lack of "buffer" space left free on each side. So I wonder, is it possible that spin pins (and U-pins, for that matter) slide out simply because they are too short? :hmm: I heard some people spray spin pins, bobby pins, U-pins, etc with hairspray to give them a bit of grip, but I don't know if that would work for really slippy hair? I just think these small tools are difficult to use on a lot of hair.

On the other hand, what about hair-taping for buns and other updos? I can't secure coronet braids for the life of me with enough claw-clips, etc, even if I start with a few braids on scalp to add some grip... But maybe hair-taping is secure enough for Houdini-hair? :hmm:

[Cg]

Hmm, I don't use spin pins (they look too tiny for my hair to even bother experimenting with), but I have the same problem with sticks/fork that are a bit too small for my bun. They work perfectly well with "frame buns" and half-up structures, but they slide out of some full buns, because of lack of "buffer" space left free on each side. So I wonder, is it possible that spin pins (and U-pins, for that matter) slide out simply because they are too short? :hmm: I heard some people spray spin pins, bobby pins, U-pins, etc with hairspray to give them a bit of grip, but I don't know if that would work for really slippy hair? I just think these small tools are difficult to use on a lot of hair.

On the other hand, what about hair-taping for buns and other updos? I can't secure coronet braids for the life of me with enough claw-clips, etc, even if I start with a few braids on scalp to add some grip... But maybe hair-taping is secure enough for Houdini-hair? :hmm:

Never tried taping because pretty satin ribbon wouldn't work, I'd need something ugly, gnarly, and rope-ish I think, and even then I'm not confident it'd stay. My hair is just a bit past hip, though so maybe longer slick hair might stay better...?

[pandabarrier]

Never used spin pins before, but I noticed the U-pins come out halfway after a few hours. Lately I've been using small claw clips to secure the ends of the bun, they have been doing the job so far.
Braided buns are a disaster unless I oil the hair.

[TatsuOni]

Hmm, I don't use spin pins (they look too tiny for my hair to even bother experimenting with), but I have the same problem with sticks/fork that are a bit too small for my bun. They work perfectly well with "frame buns" and half-up structures, but they slide out of some full buns, because of lack of "buffer" space left free on each side. So I wonder, is it possible that spin pins (and U-pins, for that matter) slide out simply because they are too short? :hmm: I heard some people spray spin pins, bobby pins, U-pins, etc with hairspray to give them a bit of grip, but I don't know if that would work for really slippy hair? I just think these small tools are difficult to use on a lot of hair.

On the other hand, what about hair-taping for buns and other updos? I can't secure coronet braids for the life of me with enough claw-clips, etc, even if I start with a few braids on scalp to add some grip... But maybe hair-taping is secure enough for Houdini-hair? :hmm:

I CO-wash so hairspray isn't an option for me :)

Taping milkmaid braids works quite good for me.


Never tried taping because pretty satin ribbon wouldn't work, I'd need something ugly, gnarly, and rope-ish I think, and even then I'm not confident it'd stay. My hair is just a bit past hip, though so maybe longer slick hair might stay better...?

Satin works for me, but if it doesn't for you, there are other less slippery but still beautiful options like this:

https://cdn1.cdnme.se/1263465/9-3/1_587906f32a6b22a651c20cff.jpg

[school of fish]

It's a rare day today where I've decided to wear my hair up. I think I've redone the bun about 6 times so far, and it's not even dinnertime yet... :p

[Reyesuela]

All of the YES!!! Houdini hair, of course... There is no bun that can hold this escape artist and keep it confined. Not without pulling, tearing and damaging :shudder: I had good luck with the L-finity bun. Once. Then it got slipperier and slipperier (yea 1a hair), and nope. Can't wear them now for more than 5 minutes.

I have yet to try forks, maybe that is the lock my own Houdini won't be able to pick? Do you think my hair keeps picks hidden away the same as Houdini would hide picks in his mouth during escapes?

(Maybe if I found a milk can for my hair...?)
(Straight jacket?)


Fork plus hair to secure it. :) For me, at least. (1B here)

[Reyesuela]

If you are VERY CAREFUL with them, the new silicone hair bands will stay in. They can tear hair on the way out, though. So CAREFUL.

[Fia]

Houdini-hair here as well. Worst just after a wash and calms down the longer I go between washes. Amish hair pins are my goto if I want a somewhat secure updo. The lightness and sturdiness of them mean I can use as many as needed to lock down the hair (that it looks like a porcupine underneath is another story...).

[TatsuOni]

Houdini-hair here as well. Worst just after a wash and calms down the longer I go between washes. Amish hair pins are my goto if I want a somewhat secure updo. The lightness and sturdiness of them mean I can use as many as needed to lock down the hair (that it looks like a porcupine underneath is another story...).

Where did you find amish hair pins? Somewhere in Sweden? I've been wanting to try them, but haven't seen them anywhere.

[Fia]

Where did you find amish hair pins? Somewhere in Sweden? I've been wanting to try them, but haven't seen them anywhere.

They're from my previous stints on the boards, way back, probably 10+ years. Quick googling seems to find them on Etsy (2" version (https://www.etsy.com/se-en/listing/453436644/amish-made-heavy-duty-2-stainless-steel?ref=market) and 3" version (https://www.etsy.com/se-en/listing/466923941/amish-made-heavy-duty-3-stainless-steel?ref=market)) and Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/Amish-Made-Heavy-Steel-Straight/dp/B00ACC4KPM) (3" version) as well as here (http://www.amishworkshops.com/category/Amish-Hair-Pins-70)(2,5" and 3" versions). You can find even more sellers if you just google "amish hair pins" or "amish hairpins".

I use the 2" version for my hair as it's not overly thick and they just about push through to the other side of the first loop in a cinnabun, which is what I want from a hairpin.

[TatsuOni]

They're from my previous stints on the boards, way back, probably 10+ years. Quick googling seems to find them on Etsy (2" version (https://www.etsy.com/se-en/listing/453436644/amish-made-heavy-duty-2-stainless-steel?ref=market) and 3" version (https://www.etsy.com/se-en/listing/466923941/amish-made-heavy-duty-3-stainless-steel?ref=market)) and Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/Amish-Made-Heavy-Steel-Straight/dp/B00ACC4KPM) (3" version) as well as here (http://www.amishworkshops.com/category/Amish-Hair-Pins-70)(2,5" and 3" versions). You can find even more sellers if you just google "amish hair pins" or "amish hairpins".

I use the 2" version for my hair as it's not overly thick and they just about push through to the other side of the first loop in a cinnabun, which is what I want from a hairpin.

Thank you but I rather buy them in Sweden or at least Europe:) I will just have to search through some online stores to see if I can find any :) I think that I need the 3" version.

[Arctic]

Thank you but I rather buy them in Sweden or at least Europe:) I will just have to search through some online stores to see if I can find any :) I think that I need the 3" version.

UK Amish pins seller: http://www.longhairedjewels.com/shop-pages/a-amish-pins.html

She is reputable, I have seen good reviews of her shop and products.

[TatsuOni]

UK Amish pins seller: http://www.longhairedjewels.com/shop-pages/a-amish-pins.html

She is reputable, I have seen good reviews of her shop and products.

Thank you! :blossom: I will consider her when I have money! :)

[Alissalocks]

Last night in dance class we worked this one spin, over and over. By spin 6 or 7? Yeah, my braids weren't having it. Weeee let's escape and be free so when she turns, we can FLY! So says left braid, while right braid refuses to be tempted to misbehave.

Spin again, and when I look in the studio mirror? Hair coming loose, braid half out, and elastic missing (was still caught in my hair, but not enough to hold the braid). Spin again. Hair now completely undone on left side, but matching braid is holding on resentfully, watching all the fun on the loose-hair side as I turn, and turn, and turn again (bc stopping to fix my hair mid class is a studio etiquette no-no, unless given a water break).

And all I could think was... Houdini hair, strikes again.

[school of fish]

Last night in dance class we worked this one spin, over and over. By spin 6 or 7? Yeah, my braids weren't having it. Weeee let's escape and be free so when she turns, we can FLY! So says left braid, while right braid refuses to be tempted to misbehave.

Spin again, and when I look in the studio mirror? Hair coming loose, braid half out, and elastic missing (was still caught in my hair, but not enough to hold the braid). Spin again. Hair now completely undone on left side, but matching braid is holding on resentfully, watching all the fun on the loose-hair side as I turn, and turn, and turn again (bc stopping to fix my hair mid class is a studio etiquette no-no, unless given a water break).

And all I could think was... Houdini hair, strikes again.

There's my life, right there :p

[TatsuOni]

Last night in dance class we worked this one spin, over and over. By spin 6 or 7? Yeah, my braids weren't having it. Weeee let's escape and be free so when she turns, we can FLY! So says left braid, while right braid refuses to be tempted to misbehave.

Spin again, and when I look in the studio mirror? Hair coming loose, braid half out, and elastic missing (was still caught in my hair, but not enough to hold the braid). Spin again. Hair now completely undone on left side, but matching braid is holding on resentfully, watching all the fun on the loose-hair side as I turn, and turn, and turn again (bc stopping to fix my hair mid class is a studio etiquette no-no, unless given a water break).

And all I could think was... Houdini hair, strikes again.

That description made me laugh :laugh: But it's so annoying when it happens :p

[Alissalocks]

See, that's why I love this place. Last night when it happened, I thought, I need to post this in the Houdini thread.

And then when I do? All my lovely Houdini hair friends like school of fish and TatsuOni laugh too and agree!! :laugh: :p

[TatsuOni]

See, that's why I love this place. Last night when it happened, I thought, I need to post this in the Houdini thread.

And then when I do? All my lovely Houdini hair friends like school of fish and TatsuOni laugh too and agree!! :laugh: :p

I'm very happy to get some entertainment this grey Wednesday (the weather is really booring here) :cool:

[Cg]

Last night in dance class we worked this one spin, over and over. By spin 6 or 7? Yeah, my braids weren't having it. Weeee let's escape and be free so when she turns, we can FLY! So says left braid, while right braid refuses to be tempted to misbehave.

Spin again, and when I look in the studio mirror? Hair coming loose, braid half out, and elastic missing (was still caught in my hair, but not enough to hold the braid). Spin again. Hair now completely undone on left side, but matching braid is holding on resentfully, watching all the fun on the loose-hair side as I turn, and turn, and turn again (bc stopping to fix my hair mid class is a studio etiquette no-no, unless given a water break).

And all I could think was... Houdini hair, strikes again.

During a meeting this week, my fork leaped out and clattered to the floor. The bun then sproinged into a ridiculous lopsided blob. I had just been sitting there -- no spinning or anything fun. Unfair!

[school of fish]

See, that's why I love this place. Last night when it happened, I thought, I need to post this in the Houdini thread.

And then when I do? All my lovely Houdini hair friends like school of fish and TatsuOni laugh too and agree!! :laugh: :p

It did indeed make me giggle in recognition, haha! I put in my own few hours of dance practice today and while the side braid technically held, I look like a half-blown-away dandelion! Wisps everywhere and epic braid shred - you'd think I'd been standing under a helicopter, bahahaha!!!

[school of fish]

During a meeting this week, my fork leaped out and clattered to the floor. The bun then sproinged into a ridiculous lopsided blob. I had just been sitting there -- no spinning or anything fun. Unfair!

Oh dear, hahaha!!! I'm so sorry to laugh but I've had that happen too and I can picture it exactly! I hope it wasn't *too* high-power a meeting... ;)

[Cg]

Oh dear, hahaha!!! I'm so sorry to laugh but I've had that happen too and I can picture it exactly! I hope it wasn't *too* high-power a meeting... ;)

You should laugh! Beats those muffled snickers/snorts and hastily averted gazes from my colleagues.

[Alissalocks]

During a meeting this week, my fork leaped out and clattered to the floor. The bun then sproinged into a ridiculous lopsided blob. I had just been sitting there -- no spinning or anything fun. Unfair!
That's awesome!

Hair fork is like, yup I'm outta here! Sproing!!! :laugh: Oh nooooooo!

[TatsuOni]

Today my hair refused to stay up in a bun... I tried a lot of buns and had to redo it more times than I could count at work and before even getting to work :rolleyes: So when I got home I gave up and braided it instead. Let's see if it stays in the braid...

Why hair, do you have an extreme Houdini day when you aren't even newly washed! :justy:

[Crystawni]

I'm feeling your pain (and good luck!)!

Mine's been the Slipmonster lately, especially at night. NOTHING is staying put, and I'm up every two hours or more re-doing high buns, low buns, braided buns, braids of the English and French variety... you name it, as well as my silk bonnet (that ended up as a pony-bag/snood thingy the next night) that was an absolute fail... I even had my hair braided with a silk scarf, paranda-style, and woke up to an explosion of braid (if it resembled a braid at all), with the end of the scarf still tied off nicely. :rolleyes:

:justy: It's tooooooo hot to be wrestling with Medusa-head... Our night-temps barely get down to 25C, although we've had a couple of nights recently down to 22C (just not so much in the house). Winter is coming, though, and maybe the lesser humidity will play better with the monste...mop. :cheese:

[TatsuOni]

Waking up and having to look for "whatever you used to secure your har with", in the bed is never fun :rolleyes:

[Crystawni]

Or getting that wakeup jab. :luke: My buns are usually secured with 2 StarLites crossed over, and if one fails, the other isn't far behind. Invisibobbles on braids only work while my hair wants to stay braided, and the XL flexi-8 I used the other night popped open and went for a headstand wiggle. Sticks and forks are a no-go because they slide (and would be stabby), although I used to get some luck with a folded braid threaded with a short acrylic stick when my hair was shorter. And spin pins slip and tangle. The big worry is heading to the toilet during the dark of night with an on-its-way-down hairdo, feeling the hairnest for the wayward hairtoy before it drops--in the bed, or along the way, or in the loo, or wash basin...

[TatsuOni]

The thing that works best for sleeping with is for me a paranda. Even if half of the hair escapes, it's not completely loose. It's just lots of loose strands pooking out everywhere :p

[Siri]

My hair definitely escapes from anything I use to secure it with, bands, barretts, combs, clips, bobby pins etc. I put it in a ponytail or bun and always have strands hanging at the nape of my neck and around my face.

[bparnell75]

Mine spits out toys for a day after it has been washed. After that I can usually tame it with a tight bun for at least 3 hours at a time.

[pandabarrier]

Yesterday morning I thought to myself: 'hehe, I haven't had hair accidents / exploding buns lately, I think I can get away just a LWB with one hair stick and U-pins'. So I went to the lunch room at work, mid-way during my meal I felt that the bun was coming off. I had the choices: redo my hair in front of everyone, leave my food and go to the restroom fix my hair, or hope the bun stays in place until I finish eating and leave the lunch room. I chose the last option. As soon as I was almost done with my lunch break and about to leave, my hair stick fell on the floor. Nobody paid too much attention, maybe they thought it was a chopstick. Funny thing, something similar happened a year ago, in the same place.

[hayheadsbird]

Houdini hair strikes again!
It's been behaving pretty well recently, but this morning decided for going my to town I wanted up in s lwb. Ficcare at 8am, no go. Switched to TT stick, fine till 9am when I decided to try a pha bun. Didn't work but then decided to slip out of the stick no matter what. Switch to ketylo. Nope. Goofing so far in a xl flexi, fingers crossed!

[hayheadsbird]

Houdini hair strikes again!
It's been behaving pretty well recently, but this morning decided for going my to town I wanted up in s lwb. Ficcare at 8am, no go. Switched to TT stick, fine till 9am when I decided to try a pha bun. Didn't work but then decided to slip out of the stick no matter what. Switch to ketylo. Nope. Goofing so far in a xl flexi, fingers crossed!

*inswrt expletives here*

Now in spin pins...

[lizardspots]

I think I can officially join the Houdini hair club.

Today at work, my hair was up in a hairstick bun, and whilst I was in the middle of a fiddly procedure, the stick slipped out and my hair fell everywhere. Nightmare! Normally I bobby pin the ends of my hair which helps with buns to stay, but I risked a no pin bun today because I thought I finally had the length to pull it off. Apparently not....

[hayheadsbird]

By lunch time it was in a side braid, washed this morning! It always gets more floppy when it get towards wash days, and by the end of the day it's been manipulated so much it's looking greasy and needs a wash!

[TatsuOni]

I washed my hair two days ago so it really is in a Houdini mode now... But I actually got yesterdays updo to stay up all day!. I was in Stockholm with some friends and didn't feel like redoing my bun during the day, so I used 5 spin pins and six amish pins to imprison it :laugh:

https://cdn3.cdnme.se/1263465/9-3/8_58d78de6ddf2b36cfdfb6cbe.jpg
I took the picture after I took out a few pins. That's why you can see the ends stickning out.

[wispe]

I washed my hair two days ago so it really is in a Houdini mode now... But I actually got yesterdays updo to stay up all day!. I was in Stockholm with some friends and didn't feel like redoing my bun during the day, so I used 5 spin pins and six amish pins to imprison it :laugh:

https://cdn3.cdnme.se/1263465/9-3/8_58d78de6ddf2b36cfdfb6cbe.jpg
I took the picture after I took out a few pins. That's why you can see the ends stickning out.

Beautiful even if it is trying to escape! I'm wondering, I this the style where you wrap the tails in a figure-8 around the base of the braids on either side & pin (I think TorrinPaige did a video on it)? My hair has been refusing to do anything but slip out of updos lately and I'm thinking I might try this once I'm done enjoying having my hair down+curled.

[TatsuOni]

Beautiful even if it is trying to escape! I'm wondering, I this the style where you wrap the tails in a figure-8 around the base of the braids on either side & pin (I think TorrinPaige did a video on it)? My hair has been refusing to do anything but slip out of updos lately and I'm thinking I might try this once I'm done enjoying having my hair down+curled.

Thank you! :blossom: I think that it's the same one you're thinking about :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq0QSgCdeKU
I don't use any elastics at the base of the braids. It's an easy hairstyle to do :)

[wispe]

Thank you! :blossom: I think that it's the same one you're thinking about :)

-snip-
I don't use any elastics at the base of the braids. It's an easy hairstyle to do :)

Yep, this is what I had in mind! I can never remember the name of it to look it up again. Thanks so much !

[TatsuOni]

I tried an Amish bun for the first time today and have to recomend it to you! Very sturdy and comfortable!

https://cdn2.cdnme.se/1263465/9-3/1_58f34d2a2a6b228bda9b876a.jpg https://cdn3.cdnme.se/1263465/9-3/2_58f34d3e9606ee3ff480aa01.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1ms8ODU42k
I don't understand German, but still managed to understand it from seeing the video. Mine looks a little bit different though.

[Qadupae]

My hair being in this club is part of the reason why I cut it after my last growth attempt. It was BSL, but no matter what toys I used or if it was day old hair or more, my hair would slip out of anything I tried. Could only manage french twists and sort of buns if my hair was pulled super tight, causing migraines, and then ended with a desperate cut to cure of the migraines DX Hopefully I will learn my lesson this time.

[Fia]

Houdini-hair strikes again. Was out with hubby running errands when it decided to spit out the hairstick I was wearing and the whole length came tumbling down. Ah well, not much to do other than twist it back up and secure again. Not even sure the surrounding people had time enough to notice. :D

[TatsuOni]

Houdini-hair strikes again. Was out with hubby running errands when it decided to spit out the hairstick I was wearing and the whole length came tumbling down. Ah well, not much to do other than twist it back up and secure again. Not even sure the surrounding people had time enough to notice. :D

You know that you have Houdini-hair when you're always ready to quickly put it back up :laugh:

[TatsuOni]

Today is one of thoose days when it just refuses to stay up at all. I've been trying different buns and it just keeps on escaping. Me and Houdini-hair aren't friends today...

[hayheadsbird]

Mine looks to be improving with length. Still get floppy days where it was to be braided, but it's loosing some of its Houdini tendencies.

[Fennecfox]

Mine is less slippery than when I was younger, but still likes to pop out of hairstyles when I'm not looking. And my flyaways defy any attempt to tame them!

[TatsuOni]

Lenght helps here too. It still slips out, but not as easy as when it was shorter. I think that it will continue to improve as it grows longer :)

My hair get's more slippery when its newly washed and it stays newly washed for 5-7 days. After that it still isn't dirty but not newly washed anymore and behaves a little better. When I'm closing in on 2-3 weeks it behaves a lot better. Every time it's newly washed I countinue to tell my self "I never wanna wash my hair again"! :laugh: But I have to wash it when it's dirty and then it starts again :laugh:

[Crystawni]

I guess mine's a wavy texture/tropical weather/low porosity thing, because mine's at its grippiest when it's frizzy and struggling to get rid of the water after being washed. After that day, it's all slipsville as it gets sleeker, less curly and compacts more.

As for Houdini's latest trick, I was trying out a screwy Lady Idun Unicorn hair stick for the first time, and everything went south pretty quickly. I guess I was expecting it to twist on in and be rock solid, but it made itself a biggish pocket of zero-screwness and my hair started to unravel under the weight. I tried a few buns and found it holds best in a Baby Helix or the Figure 8 I do like the Helix, but with a reversed tail swoop. Counter-weight ftw. And yeah, I can just slide that stick out, whereas my Crockett Mountain spirals have to be unscrewed. Sometimes it's all down to the equipment (and picking days when Houdini is snoozing).

[esfand]

Yes my hair is hard to manage because it slips out of everything - braids, pins, clips, claws, scrunchies, everything. My ficcare falls out and tugs on my hair. The only thing that helped so far are a claw and a buff :(

[Ondine11]

Count me in! It drives me nuts!!! I have a normal amount of hair, but, each strand is so fine & slippery that any type of hair tie, clip, barrette or elastic eventually slides right out, or the hair starts slipping. At this length with my hair (20" from front hair line to ends) I have given u on any updos. After a couple of hours, so much of it has slipped out that I look like a crazy cat-lady. NOT very chic. Hairspray is out, & I refuse wrap those coated elastics tightly, or use 100 bobby pins, so loose it is, with my outgrown ex-bangs clonked behind my ears.

[Corvana]

Mine is pretty Houdini when it's clean. Unless I curl it! Then it has some grip (and the curls will stay for a billion years if I let them, I'm sure). I was practicing some braids today, and was having quite the time of it. I just washed last night, so today is really the worst day for me to practice any sort of style. If I pull it really tight (which I hate, it makes my scalp sore) then it'll stay alright on day 1, but otherwise I just leave it down!

[akurah]

I need to bookmark this thread to read later for tips... my hair spits out so many things I put in it.

[ichosethis]

I can sometimes keep it in a wrap bun plus stick but braids are not safe, ponytails are not safe, the ends escape everything so I'm rocking messy buns no matter how they go up. Any style is also subject to migrating down to the nape unless I put it up damp, even then its only a small chance it'll stay.

[CindyOfTheOaks]

Spent the morning yesterday at work thinking "Gee, my bun is holding nicely today" then I passed a mirror and see the tail has unwrapped itself a few rounds from underneath and is hanging freely, doing a little happy dance.

[Shepherdess]

I absolutely love the title of this thread and everyone's sense of humor!!!! :D

I only have trouble with Houdini hair occasionally, most often tries to escape during gymnastics, swimming and other exerting activities! I sometimes wonder if it will ever learn to behave! It seems to especially enjoy showing off its escaping abilities in public for the whole world to see! I'm not sure if this counts, since it is more individual hairs, but what I have trouble with the most each day is the little frizzles and curls escaping here and there making my bun look like a big lumpy birds nest, so even though it feels like it is all together, when I come to the mirror I find my bun an awkward frizzy rolled up mess. xD


Spent the morning yesterday at work thinking "Gee, my bun is holding nicely today" then I passed a mirror and see the tail has unwrapped itself a few rounds from underneath and is hanging freely, doing a little happy dance.
I like how you described it "doing a little happy dance".....I have had the same exact thing happen a few times before! :D

[TatsuOni]

Spent the morning yesterday at work thinking "Gee, my bun is holding nicely today" then I passed a mirror and see the tail has unwrapped itself a few rounds from underneath and is hanging freely, doing a little happy dance.

This happens a lot to me :laugh:


I absolutely love the title of this thread and everyone's sense of humor!!!! :D

I only have trouble with Houdini hair occasionally, most often tries to escape during gymnastics, swimming and other exerting activities! I sometimes wonder if it will ever learn to behave! It seems to especially enjoy showing off its escaping abilities in public for the whole world to see! I'm not sure if this counts, since it is more individual hairs, but what I have trouble with the most each day is the little frizzles and curls escaping here and there making my bun look like a big lumpy birds nest, so even though it feels like it is all together, when I come to the mirror I find my bun an awkward frizzy rolled up mess. xD


I like how you described it "doing a little happy dance".....I have had the same exact thing happen a few times before! :D

Updos with half of the hair escaping, making it look like a mess is a sign of houdini-hair :agree:

[Arctic]

My hair clearly got some ideas from this thread - lately it seems like nothing stays. Braids spit out half the hair and buns spit out the ends.

[TatsuOni]

My hair clearly got some ideas from this thread - lately it seems like nothing stays. Braids spit out half the hair and buns spit out the ends.

It's been sneaking in and reading here to find inspiration while you're asleep :laugh:

[Arctic]

It's been sneaking in and reading here to find inspiration while you're asleep :laugh:

From the way it's behaving, it really seems like this is the case :eye: :laugh:

[TatsuOni]

From the way it's behaving, it really seems like this is the case :eye: :laugh:

I would suggest a lock on the hair during night, but since it seem to have learned from Houdini-hair it would probably be pointless :laugh:

[Siv]

My hair fits this category too :lol: One of the most memorable instances at work, I was wearing two dutch braids. At the beginning of an emergency situation, one of the braids got caught on a client who was flailing about, the elastic snapped, the braid unravelled, and for the next half hour I rushed around with half my hair up and the other hair flouncing around. My short-hair male colleagues had no sympathy for my plight...

[ichosethis]

Last night in dance class we worked this one spin, over and over. By spin 6 or 7? Yeah, my braids weren't having it. Weeee let's escape and be free so when she turns, we can FLY! So says left braid, while right braid refuses to be tempted to misbehave.

Spin again, and when I look in the studio mirror? Hair coming loose, braid half out, and elastic missing (was still caught in my hair, but not enough to hold the braid). Spin again. Hair now completely undone on left side, but matching braid is holding on resentfully, watching all the fun on the loose-hair side as I turn, and turn, and turn again (bc stopping to fix my hair mid class is a studio etiquette no-no, unless given a water break).

And all I could think was... Houdini hair, strikes again.

I haven't danced in years and yet I still cringe about the time my bun came oose while doing turns across the floor and I dropped because the ends whipped my eyeball. The instructor was ecstatic because apparently it was a perfect spin and the force necessary to throw off the elastic holding the twist bun in place was good.

[Cg]

... what I have trouble with the most each day is the little frizzles and curls escaping here and there making my bun look like a big lumpy birds nest... xD

Hoot, hoot, hoot! I love this! Plus you've just described my everyday look -- except my lumpy bird's nest is small and then it asymetrically unravels.

[TatsuOni]

I have to say that I really like flexis after having tried them now :) So far, my buns haven't fallen appart, just gotten a bit loose, so that I had to redo them. I also went two days without having to redo my buns! That must be a record! I think that the flexis where a big part of this, but it was probably in combination with my hair having a few "good" days. I'll see what I think after having used them a bit more :)

[Cg]

TatsuOni, I still can't use a flexi without also many pins, and my hair is almost the same length as yours. Enjoy yours double for me!

[animetor7]

Oh yes, this is me!! My friend who has wavy and semi-coarse hair recently braided my hair just for fun and it was a bit of a struggle for her because she is unused to hair trying to escape and slip out of the braid pattern with every turn. That's okay though, I think that once it is up this type of "Houdini" hair looks pretty because the silkiness also usually means shine and the fine strands can make the braid patterns more evident than I think they are on thicker or coarser strands. So some reward for the struggle in putting up our type of hair? :shrug:

[school of fish]

I was just thinking about this thread this morning! I too have found a method to keep my hair staying up longer - mini claw clips! I'd tried them previously with no success but this time I tried shoving 8 of them around the coils of a cinnabun and it seems I just wasn't using enough before ;)

I'm still going to keep wearing my hair down most of the time but this is useful knowledge for me for times when I'm doing floor stretching and I need to keep my hair securely secured :D

[TatsuOni]

TatsuOni, I still can't use a flexi without also many pins, and my hair is almost the same length as yours. Enjoy yours double for me!

I use them in a LWB and that works for me. I haven't tried a bigger one that goes around the bun though and Huoudini-hair has different personalities :p


Oh yes, this is me!! My friend who has wavy and semi-coarse hair recently braided my hair just for fun and it was a bit of a struggle for her because she is unused to hair trying to escape and slip out of the braid pattern with every turn. That's okay though, I think that once it is up this type of "Houdini" hair looks pretty because the silkiness also usually means shine and the fine strands can make the braid patterns more evident than I think they are on thicker or coarser strands. So some reward for the struggle in putting up our type of hair? :shrug:

I remember the first time a friend of mine was goung to braid my hair. I warned here about it being silky and slippery but she said "no worries, I'm used to my sisters hairs" and then she began to braid and soon she almost cursed the slippiness :laugh: Though she did not give up and after styling my hair a couple of times, the learned how to do it :)

[Siv]

I have to say that I really like flexis after having tried them now :)

Where did you get the flexi? Did you buy it in Sweden? I've always wanted to try one but I don't like paying high shipping fees heh

[iforgotmylogin]

Tats you have my favourite hair on the forum

[TatsuOni]

Where did you get the flexi? Did you buy it in Sweden? I've always wanted to try one but I don't like paying high shipping fees heh

I ordered them from USA while the shipping was free :)


Tats you have my favourite hair on the forum

Thank you! :flower:

[Siv]

I ordered them from USA while the shipping was free :)


Dang it, I'm guessing it's not free anymore! I'll have to keep an eye out just in case. Thank you!! :flower:

[TatsuOni]

Dang it, I'm guessing it's not free anymore! I'll have to keep an eye out just in case. Thank you!! :flower:

No, but if you keep your eyes open, I'm sure that they'll have more good offers again in the future :)

[animetor7]

I remember the first time a friend of mine was goung to braid my hair. I warned here about it being silky and slippery but she said "no worries, I'm used to my sisters hairs" and then she began to braid and soon she almost cursed the slippiness :laugh: Though she did not give up and after styling my hair a couple of times, the learned how to do it :)

Yeah, she did eventually prevail, but it was with much annoyance and we resorted to adding dry shampoo at the top and oil at the bottom to give it some more grip.

As for flexis, I also think that center-held buns work best with them. Of course, center-held buns work best in generally for my Houdini hair and cinnabuns, rose buns, and the like usually need to be done on my hair once I'm a few days into my wash cycle and have oiled the ends so that there is something to help my hair grip to itself. First day hair is....difficult to put up.

[TatsuOni]

Yeah, she did eventually prevail, but it was with much annoyance and we resorted to adding dry shampoo at the top and oil at the bottom to give it some more grip.

As for flexis, I also think that center-held buns work best with them. Of course, center-held buns work best in generally for my Houdini hair and cinnabuns, rose buns, and the like usually need to be done on my hair once I'm a few days into my wash cycle and have oiled the ends so that there is something to help my hair grip to itself. First day hair is....difficult to put up.

My hair gets easier to handle the further I get from wash day.

[Corvana]

I deep conditioned my hair for the first time in awhile this past Saturday night/Sunday at like 2a, because I'd gone swimming that day.

My hair is still pretty houdini, and it's Wednesday. It's better than it was, I was even able to hold a peacock twist for a little bit yesterday, but it only lasted like an hour before it slipped out. My hair is slippery enough without this!

But on the other hand my hair has been so soft I could cry :laugh:

[Cg]

As for flexis, I also think that center-held buns work best with them. Of course, center-held buns work best in generally for my Houdini hair and cinnabuns, rose buns, and the like usually need to be done on my hair once I'm a few days into my wash cycle and have oiled the ends so that there is something to help my hair grip to itself. First day hair is....difficult to put up.

I gave up attempting a cinnamon or seashell bun long since (too slippery at all times), content with looking at those pretty hair styles on this forum.

[animetor7]

This is one reason I really like parandas, the yarn of the paranda gives my hair more grip once it's braided in, so coiled buns hold better. Of course I also have thick hair so said buns are slightly ridiculously big, but that's okay. I like how they look and as my lab doesn't care what I do with my hair provided it can't get caught on fire, in machinery, or swing into chemicals, it doesn't matter. :)

[Crystawni]

I have to say that I really like flexis after having tried them now :) So far, my buns haven't fallen appart, just gotten a bit loose, so that I had to redo them. I also went two days without having to redo my buns! That must be a record! I think that the flexis where a big part of this, but it was probably in combination with my hair having a few "good" days. I'll see what I think after having used them a bit more :)

I Gibraltar bun (twisted lwb) with XL flexis for swimming and they're the only hairtoys that keep my hair contained comfortably and well, even underwater. The only other hairtoys that work for me when my hair is wet (in the shower to keep my hair out of the way of washing da bod) is Crockett Mountain spirals that have to screw into and out of my buns, but the length resists uncomfortably in underwater swimming, so flexis it is!

[naopll10]

Long time, no see. Missed all of you. My hair would qualify. I have to gel it down for my flyaways to stay put.

[leayellena]

my hair poofs like crazy when humid outside. don´t even think about combing or brushing it... but my hair loves leave-ins. there´s no stopping flyaways though...
my hair has a mind of his own: it gets greasy and flat on the scalp. sometimes in a week, sometimes just after few hours from washing it. it poofs from chin length to the ends when humid outside and there´s no way I can blow dry my mane. it poofs more. that´s why my hair likes leave-ins.
my hair sometimes pretends it´s curly, so I always think I will stay at waist length forever. some other times it pretends to be fine and straight and breakable. I doscovered that I can measure my hair (somewhat?) correctly only on wash day.
so I think I qualify.

[CindyOfTheOaks]

Eating a giant messy hamburger, holding it with both hands and stuff dripping everywhere...

and...

there...

goes...

the...

hairstick and bun

[TatsuOni]

Eating a giant messy hamburger, holding it with both hands and stuff dripping everywhere...

and...

there...

goes...

the...

hairstick and bun

I think that's a sign of the Houdini-hair beeing hungry, becuase it's rarely satisified with just escaping, it also tries to find it's way into the food...

[Cg]

Eating a giant messy hamburger, holding it with both hands and stuff dripping everywhere...

and...

there...

goes...

the...

hairstick and bun

Ah, yes, we've all been there!

[animetor7]

Mine likes to try to escape right when I'm mixing batter to bake things. :) Or eating something like spaghetti with lots of sauce which would be particularly nasty to get out of hair.

[CindyOfTheOaks]

...and they say hair is dead !
I think it's very much alive and waiting for opportune moments to let you know !

[yamsha23]

...and they say hair is dead !
I think it's very much alive and waiting for opportune moments to let you know !

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[TatsuOni]

...and they say hair is dead !
I think it's very much alive and waiting for opportune moments to let you know !

Oh yes! :laugh:

My hair has been "extra Houdini" the last couple of days. Meaning that it's been a diva that refuses to be satisfied with any updo :rolleyes:

[CindyOfTheOaks]

Today's bun now has a stick and 4 mini claw clips in it for Pete's sake !

[Sora Rose]

I think I belong here even if I never tried many hairstyles. My hair is very slippery. I could never keep a ponytail for more than twenty minutes before it headed south. To keep it in any order I have to braid it. Now I'm venturing into learning how to bun, and so far haven't had much luck.

[Cg]

Today's bun now has a stick and 4 mini claw clips in it for Pete's sake !

Sounds like a light day to me.

[CindyOfTheOaks]

Sounds like a light day to me.



:lol: !

[Robi-Bird]

I nicknamed my hair Houdini. There's a fine line between a tight enough bun to stay, and tight enough scalp me. It murders elastics, and I only use those for braids, the layers I must have in my hair to avoid triangle head, ensure I only ever sleep in braids because my braids start shredding after five minutes. Three day hair simply does not believe in staying in buns so it's always a three or four bun day. I made the mistake of going bra shopping with it down. I really don't know what I was thinking.

[animetor7]

I nicknamed my hair Houdini. There's a fine line between a tight enough bun to stay, and tight enough scalp me. It murders elastics, and I only use those for braids, the layers I must have in my hair to avoid triangle head, ensure I only ever sleep in braids because my braids start shredding after five minutes. Three day hair simply does not believe in staying in buns so it's always a three or four bun day. I made the mistake of going bra shopping with it down. I really don't know what I was thinking.

Goodness your hair sounds determined!! Mine isn't quite that stubborn, it doesn't usually murder things, just spits them out in defiance of my attempts to tame it. That's why I've nicknamed my hair "The Kraken". That and also that nickname means that when I take it down for the day I can say "Release the Kraken!" :)

[Siv]

Goodness your hair sounds determined!! Mine isn't quite that stubborn, it doesn't usually murder things, just spits them out in defiance of my attempts to tame it. That's why I've nicknamed my hair "The Kraken". That and also that nickname means that when I take it down for the day I can say "Release the Kraken!" :)

Oh. My. Gosh. :laugh: I'm dying!!!

[TatsuOni]

Goodness your hair sounds determined!! Mine isn't quite that stubborn, it doesn't usually murder things, just spits them out in defiance of my attempts to tame it. That's why I've nicknamed my hair "The Kraken". That and also that nickname means that when I take it down for the day I can say "Release the Kraken!" :)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: But Kraken knows how to release itself :laugh:

[Lazy Loop]

I think I've found my people! My hair is somewhat thick and stubborn. Hair toys do slide right out.

Now that I'm mid back, I have been trying buns, what a joke. I follow youtube tutorials but I get soooo many failures. I know when I do get it to stay in a bun, it doesn't look pretty, tons of bobby pins (new, heavy ones from Sally's) and hair spray!!

My hair is totally natural so it has some slip. When it was damaged, it bunned better.

[TatsuOni]

Welcome to all newcomers! :) This is a good place to find advice and rant about your hair :)

[leayellena]

my hair refused to behave. completely.
here´s a short tutorial how to hide houdini hair. :o:):p:pins:
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28364&d=1502097342

[LaLola73]

I am so relieved to know that I am not the only one with hair like this! I put my hair up in a bun almost everyday, and I'm constantly pushing the bobby pins back in. They will start popping out within 5 minutes!
Spin pins? Ha, my hair refuses to let them hold. The bun slides down and out. Hair sticks will hold for a little bit - and hey, I don't mind having to re-do them over and over all day, really I don't.

[LaLola73]

I am so relieved to know that I am not the only one with hair like this! I put my hair up in a bun almost everyday, and I'm constantly pushing the bobby pins back in. They will start popping out within 5 minutes!
Spin pins? Ha, my hair refuses to let them hold. The bun slides down and out. Hair sticks will hold for a little bit - and hey, I don't mind having to re-do them over and over all day, really I don't.

[katydid317]

Spin pins? Ha, my hair refuses to let them hold. The bun slides down and out. Hair sticks will hold for a little bit - and hey, I don't mind having to re-do them over and over all day, really I don't.

This is my hair! I have houdini hair and recently bought spin pins to try, and they are the worst at holding it up. I'll think my bun is pretty solid and then bam it completely falls apart in seconds. No warning.

I always have to redo everything. My slippery wispies come out of French braids. Nothing stays in overnight. I think I need to just get a satin pillowcase and quit even trying to put my hair up at night.

[Robi-Bird]

Goodness your hair sounds determined!! Mine isn't quite that stubborn, it doesn't usually murder things, just spits them out in defiance of my attempts to tame it. That's why I've nicknamed my hair "The Kraken". That and also that nickname means that when I take it down for the day I can say "Release the Kraken!" :)

I feel my hair's motto is I do what I want.

Kraken is a great name for hair!

[Cg]

This is my hair! I have houdini hair and recently bought spin pins to try, and they are the worst at holding it up. I'll think my bun is pretty solid and then bam it completely falls apart in seconds. No warning.

I always have to redo everything.

Yes, spin pins are useless to me. They don't even bother attempting to feel secure for a moment. The only time I may not have to redo a bun is when it's French-braided to the end, twisted, and then secured with a 4 or 5-prong fork.

[floridaorchid]

I was just thinking about this today! I did a braid and within thirty minutes, I had strands of hair trying to slip out everywhere!
That and the horrible time I did my wedding hair trial. The lady put so much hairspray(super horrible for my hair and shouldn't have done, but..) and bobby pins in it, and it still found a way to slip out in a little less than two hours.

[animetor7]

Oh. My. Gosh. :laugh: I'm dying!!!

Thanks! I was amused by it, but it was a joint effort in naming. My friend was trying to put up my hair and said it was like a living thing how it slithered out of things but not a nice cute one, like some kind of demon monster. We naturally settled on the Kraken being in high school at the time and easily entertained.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: But Kraken knows how to release itself :laugh:

Yes, yes it does. Less so with some oiling and a few days away from washing, but still yes, it does it's best to escape. Especially at inopportune moments like in the middle of grocery shopping at the butcher counter or while cooking. Oh well. :)


I feel my hair's motto is I do what I want.

Kraken is a great name for hair!

Thanks!! My hair might agree with that statement.

For those struggling with sticks or buns in general slipping out, I've found that length helps as do center held buns such as the nautilus, knot bun, and the pretzel bun. I also like using a paranda braided in because the yarn gives my hair a bit more grip for pins to hold onto. Good luck guys!!

[TatsuOni]

My hair learned a new trick today after I kept putting back the escaped tail into my bun... It learned how to open a flexi and it was so fun that it had to do it one more time!

[Arctic]

My hair isn't very slippery (at least when compared to my own hair before my hairtype change) but lately it's been very escapey. I am starting work soon, and I absolutely will need to start using styling products again to keep my hair neat and tidy all day.

[Crystawni]

I've recently been able to do a Celtic Knot bun fairly consistently now that my hair is a bit longer (thickness issues), and find it holds like a rock. I'd highly recommend it for the rest of you Houdiniers!

http://i.imgur.com/9Au17zt.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oTWCYj6ulE

Otherwise, like ani mentioned, centrehelds of the loopy and knot variety work fairly well. I tend to split my ponytail with my fingers and do wrap and knot buns twice or thrice over with maybe one of those loops rotated towards the other side of my head for skewering, depending on how many times I split the pony, which adds to their staying power by spreading the load.

[meteor]

^ It looks great on you, Crystawni! :D Sadly, I can't really do the Celtic Knot bun - the loop I'm trying to pull through gets huge and bulky and impossible to pin down.

Argh, darn slippery hair... So I've been trying to do the Nessa bun (by Haartraum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NepoivO6N8&feature=youtu.be by torrinpaige: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIOHqwL7CiY), which is supposed to be like a simplified and vertical version of the Nautilus bun and seems great. But even though I started it with a tight braid (like I do with all buns), it somehow slid downwards and the stick rotated all the way down and wouldn't hold anymore. I think it's because that surface area where the loop and the base connect is vertically placed and rather long. But this is supposed to be one of the better holding buns out there...
Does anybody have any tricks for keeping it all in place with this bun?

Needless to say, I'm in a bit of a rut in terms of styles at the moment, as I'm only willing to try hair-friendly styles. So I'm sticking to the braided L-Infinity at all times for lack of other options. (My fave - the braided LWB slides down on me at the moment.)

[TatsuOni]

I dreamt about my Houdini-hair tonight. I was being chased by monsters, but before doing anything I had to put my hair up and it just kept falling down. Priorities in my dreams and Houdini misbehaves even there :laugh:

[leayellena]

I have Asian hair:
Cowlicks in the morning
Straight on my scalp
Frizzy hair that needs a leave-in
Fine, which people confuse it with thin
Not making a super thick pony but
Can't get the tiny amount of shampoo/conditioner trough every strand
Slippery aka silky
Shiny
Dark brown
Not holding a style: blowout easily to be ruined by the wind, fluffed-up hair to fall flat in half an hour.

Haha have I missed something?

[pandabarrier]

Recent mishaps of my slippery hair:
1) I was crossing the street and my hair fork fell from my bun (the bun was already getting loose as my day went by). Luckily I was able to retrieve it while the light is still green for pedestrians.
2) Also while walking home, I notice a bobby pin is missing. Ah, it’s on the sidewalk!
3) I felt something fluffy suddenly tickling my neck. A mouse? A squirrel? They were my hair ends that escaped the clips that were holding my cinnabun all day.

[TatsuOni]

Today, I've redone my bun once (so far). Yesterday it was driving me nuts!

[Cg]

Today, I've redone my bun once (so far). Yesterday it was driving me nuts!

This is me. Almost always I have to redo a bun several times a day. Sometimes also at night.

[katydid317]

I'm at an awkward length for my houdini hair, just past apl, and I have some layers, but lately nothing stays in and it's getting frustrated. Last month I quit doing ponytails because I'm trying to see if I'm getting breakage from them, but I'm getting so tempted to go back. Claw clips aren't working because it's getting too long, and neither of my forks are working. Any suggestions?

[Beeboo123]

No matter how tight I make them, buns with forks and sticks don't even last me walking across the room. I do buns with this fork-cage-clip hybrid, it holds in place for maybe an hour or two. Meh. Don't even get me started on spin pins and bobby pins. Let's just say that if I was Gretel, Hansel would not need to throw breadcrumbs to mark the way home

[Cg]

We Houdini hairs all relate. The best anchors for me are curved forks with lots of prongs, wavy if possible. Very rarely do I see any available though. :cry: When I say best, I mean re-dos are limited to three or four times a day as opposed to the pin/stick route markers.

[leayellena]

I'm at an awkward length for my houdini hair, just past apl, and I have some layers, but lately nothing stays in and it's getting frustrated. Last month I quit doing ponytails because I'm trying to see if I'm getting breakage from them, but I'm getting so tempted to go back. Claw clips aren't working because it's getting too long, and neither of my forks are working. Any suggestions?

try buying bigger claw clips.

[TatsuOni]

I'm postponing my hair wash with an extra couple of days, since I plan to touch up the color with henna and indigo. It means that my hair is starting to get a big greasy (I easily hide it in updos) and for me it means that it behaves so much better. I never wanna wash the slippery mess again! :justy: Or rather, I both want to and don't want to :p

[TatsuOni]

I only had to redo my bun once today! A lot of has has been sticking out for hours, but I don't care as long as it all doesn't come down :p

[Cg]

I only had to redo my bun once today! A lot of has has been sticking out for hours, but I don't care as long as it all doesn't come down :p

Congratulations, and BTW, I envy you. I ended up with sloppy, hastily pinned milkmaid braids bc nothing else would hold. Fortunately for those around me, I'm not going anywhere in public like this.

[TatsuOni]

Congratulations, and BTW, I envy you. I ended up with sloppy, hastily pinned milkmaid braids bc nothing else would hold. Fortunately for those around me, I'm not going anywhere in public like this.

I'm actually impressed with my hair today, but it probably just means that it'll totally rebel against me in a few days and go in to "hyper Houdini mood" :p

[school of fish]

I've put my hair in twin rope braids to coax some texture into it for a photoshoot I'm doing tonight - man that was a fight!

I've altered slightly my routine recently which has increased the overall slipity-slip of my hair... it has however reduced the cobwebby aspect of it, so it's worth the trade-off in that respect :) But OMG...! The amount of finger grip I have to use to keep my hair from slipping my grasp as I form the twists is actually painful! Like, really painful! Like, I'd-rather-go-to-the-dentist painful!

These rope braids look atrocious :p They're crazy shreddy and they feel pretty unstable even though I torqued the living daylights out of them as I formed them - houdini effect ;) They'll serve their purpose though, and that's all that matters.

I tip my hat to anyone who braids as part of their general styling! My hair and my hands were not made for it ;)

[Robi-Bird]

My hair has entered a bit of an awkward stage, just passed BCL. It does not want to stay in buns unless I wrap'em really tight. Braids are worse, much worse. But I feel a little funny when I'm talking to customer, or a manager and my hair just unwinds. Oh hair.

[leayellena]

my hair decided it was time I had a bun with a side part today :P

[TatsuOni]

Today, my hair has been in full Houdini-mode. Made a bun this morning, had to redo it more than once. Brushed my teeth, got out to the car and the bun was loose. Decided to not redo it until I got to work. Redid it. Took out my equipment from the car and went in. Had to redo it again. Then I lost count...

[TatsuOni]

Lately, my hair refuses to hold a scrunchie. It just keeps spitting them out and when it does, half the braid unravels in seconds...

[school of fish]

I've altered my routine in the last few weeks - I've been combing my conditioner through my hair as I rinse it out to make sure it's rinsing out fully. As a result, my hair is so slippery that no updo holds, none. My sleep bun is undone every morning because my hair spits out the stick in the night... every morning for 3 weeks now...

The upshot is that this method seems to have reduced my hair's cobwebby tendancies, and sectioning now feels like an option or at least a possibility... but the slippiness is off the charts!!!

[Twig]

my hair decided it was time I had a bun with a side part today :P

Isn't this the truth, that your hair decides for you what it wants to do? I guess that's what I get for treating it like an exotic pet. Thanks to the weekly DT, mine won't stayed back in a hairband unless I clip the heck out of it, too thick for the volume barrette, too layered to stay in a proper braid, the list goes on. Lately, it just wants to stay down, but today it wanted to be wound up in the one Ficcare I own.

[Twig]

Isn't this the truth, that your hair decides for you what it wants to do? I guess that's what I get for treating it like an exotic pet. Thanks to the weekly DT, mine won't stayed back in a hairband unless I clip the heck out of it, too thick for the volume barrette, too layered to stay in a proper braid, the list goes on. Lately, it just wants to stay down, but today it wanted to be wound up in the one Ficcare I own.

Reading these posts, it sounds like everybody's hair has a mind of its own.

[TatsuOni]

Reading these posts, it sounds like everybody's hair has a mind of its own.

Houdini-hairs are free spirited and refuses to be tamed :agree:

It's a bit ironic isn't it? We're doing or best to keep it healthy and moisturized and the better we succeed, the worse it gets and the more we complain :laugh:

[school of fish]

Houdini-hairs are free spirited and refuses to be tamed :agree:

It's a bit ironic isn't it? We're doing or best to keep it healthy and moisturized and the better we succeed, the worse it gets and the more we complain :laugh:

Hehe, I know right?! Personally, I'm actually fine with this level of escapeitude, because I wear it down daily anyway - but I get that for those who want to keep it contained it's a struggle that just worsens the better the condition of the hair...

[TatsuOni]

Hehe, I know right?! Personally, I'm actually fine with this level of escapeitude, because I wear it down daily anyway - but I get that for those who want to keep it contained it's a struggle that just worsens the better the condition of the hair...

I'm one of those who who keep my hair up more than 360 days a year. And there's an endless struggle of S&D. I do S&D, my hair feels amazing and slips put of anything, causing new splits. And so the cycle continues :rolleyes:

[Cg]

Hehe, I know right?! Personally, I'm actually fine with this level of escapeitude, because I wear it down daily anyway - but I get that for those who want to keep it contained it's a struggle that just worsens the better the condition of the hair...

Great. My hair must be in perfect condition then bc I haven't been able to keep any bun all week.

[TatsuOni]

Right now I don't have time for my hair every day and keep it in French braids and just bun the ends quickly before work. The braids don't look too good with half of the hair sticking out though :laugh:

[CopperButterfly]

I can relate a lot to this thread. My whole life it's a constant struggle to keep my hair looking reasonably neat. It just slips and slides out of everything. It's not usually the best look. I think it's why I had a bob for years. Hair can't fall out of that lol.

[wannabe-rusalka]

My braids shred like no one's business. I go to bed with a braid and often times wake up without one!

[Pol]

This thread has been a highly amusing read. Last time my hair was this length I managed okay, but now it's mostly natural (not henna-cassia) it's so much more slippery. I can cope with cinnabuns with claw clips and spin pins (like Arctic I interlock the spin pins, which helps a lot), but that's really just about it. I am getting rather bored with my lack of style options! On the bright side, I don't have to worry about tangles in most circumstances.

[bparnell75]

Is this the place to get help for hair that's just going crazy with electricity this winter try to Tangle Teezer it and it just flies all over the place even with oiled ends so the buns are messy

[MsPharaohMoan]

This thread has been a highly amusing read. Last time my hair was this length I managed okay, but now it's mostly natural (not henna-cassia) it's so much more slippery. I can cope with cinnabuns with claw clips and spin pins (like Arctic I interlock the spin pins, which helps a lot), but that's really just about it. I am getting rather bored with my lack of style options! On the bright side, I don't have to worry about tangles in most circumstances.

This is my life right now too. I fix the boredom by decorating my crown area with braids and then putting the length into a bun.

[AutobotsAttack]

My hair tends to do the opposite and behaves.

However I think it has Houdini skills in the levitation department.

https://i.imgflip.com/25fak0.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/25fak0)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)

This is a nautilus that is staying with nothing in it. No pins, ties, sticks, scrunches...nothing.

[Caraid♫]

My hair tends to do the opposite and behaves.

However I think it has Houdini skills in the levitation department.

https://i.imgflip.com/25fak0.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/25fak0)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)

This is a nautilus that is staying with nothing in it. No pins, ties, sticks, scrunches...nothing.

haha that's awesome!! now that is a super power I wish my hair had!

[AutobotsAttack]

haha that's awesome!! now that is a super power I wish my hair had!

Only downside is that it’s baby fine, and even if I never experienced any breakage or anything for years, it will never be as thick As I would like. It looks thick from the hair type I have. But when put into a secure bun, or ponytail it’s not thick at all.

[Pol]

Only downside is that it’s baby fine, and even if I never experienced any breakage or anything for years, it will never be as thick As I would like. It looks thick from the hair type I have. But when put into a secure bun, or ponytail it’s not thick at all.

I agree your floating bun is awesome! It's funny how, whilst our hair will never seem to do/be all the things we what it to, there are always upsides too!

[Pol]

This is my life right now too. I fix the boredom by decorating my crown area with braids and then putting the length into a bun.

I've been trying to do more interesting things with the front of my hair too, even if it's just a simple twist to add a bit of volume I think it helps stop me looking exactly the same every day!

[Alissalocks]

My hair tends to do the opposite and behaves.

However I think it has Houdini skills in the levitation department.

https://i.imgflip.com/25fak0.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/25fak0)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)

This is a nautilus that is staying with nothing in it. No pins, ties, sticks, scrunches...nothing.

That's awesome!!! Does it stay like that for a while? Even while you move about your day? Even if I get mine to tuck and hold without pins or help, it slides out in milliseconds.

[AutobotsAttack]

That's awesome!!! Does it stay like that for a while? Even while you move about your day? Even if I get mine to tuck and hold without pins or help, it slides out in milliseconds.

This was when it was semi dry, a bit damp. If I let it dry it will just dry into the style and hold. If I break out and run it’ll fall down, but just walking or turning my head it’ll stay.

If it’s a bit too damp it’ll fall down immediately.

[CopperButterfly]

So question for you all with slippery hair, do the flexi8 clips stay put in anything but a bun? I think they are really pretty, and think they'd be cool pony tail holders, or braid holders or half up, etc, if they didn't just slide right down, which is what I'm imagining.

[Crystawni]

So question for you all with slippery hair, do the flexi8 clips stay put in anything but a bun? I think they are really pretty, and think they'd be cool pony tail holders, or braid holders or half up, etc, if they didn't just slide right down, which is what I'm imagining.

Yes, they hold fine for me. I have all the sizes to use in many different styles, with pics in the Flexi thread (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=17757) showing them. A clear silicone hairtie wrapped around the stick also helps them to grab if your hair is being a PITA, or the hairtie wrapped under the flexi (with the stick going through the hairtie) adds security.

[leayellena]

My hair wants to pretend it's thick today. I feel like haartraum when she buns her thick hair!
Ok I will never have such thick hair but my hair tends to feel thick in my hand today. The today's cinnamon bun too... Hmm

https://youtu.be/Zzt9i4PLgFU

[CopperButterfly]

Yes, they hold fine for me. I have all the sizes to use in many different styles, with pics in the Flexi thread (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=17757) showing them. A clear silicone hairtie wrapped around the stick also helps them to grab if your hair is being a PITA, or the hairtie wrapped under the flexi (with the stick going through the hairtie) adds security.

Thank you. Adding a hair tie to the stick is a good idea.

[TatsuOni]

Upside - my hair feels silky and great today.
Downside - my hair feels silky and "Houdinious" today and thus refuses to stay up.

[TreesOfEternity]

So question for you all with slippery hair, do the flexi8 clips stay put in anything but a bun? I think they are really pretty, and think they'd be cool pony tail holders, or braid holders or half up, etc, if they didn't just slide right down, which is what I'm imagining.

I find the ones with wooden stick safer in that sense than those with metallic stick attached to them.

[Jing]

I cut my hair from waist to chin a couple of years ago and haven't let it grow to bunning length since, but I doubt it has changed its ways. It was always about that FREEEEEEDOOOOOOOM! My favourite hair fork has a dent in it from falling to the ground when I was out walking once. :cry:

[Five of Five]

I cut my hair from waist to chin a couple of years ago and haven't let it grow to bunning length since, but I doubt it has changed its ways. It was always about that FREEEEEEDOOOOOOOM! My favourite hair fork has a dent in it from falling to the ground when I was out walking once. :cry:

How do you find the day-to-day upkeep of chin length versus when it was at waist? I have freedom-loving hair and have never really found a solution except doing my hair several times a day when it falls out.

Ideally I'd like my hair to look decent without having to think about it at all during the day :p

[TatsuOni]

After taking a bit extra care of my hair...

Me: "Stay up nice in these double buns now!"
Houdini-hair "No!"
Me: "Stay!"
HH: "No! I wanna hang here loose and show how shiny I am today!"
Me: I'll put in some more u-pins."
HH: "I still refuse to stay up! If I can't escape completely, I'll just show of bits of me everywhere!"
Me: "I've put in 13 u-pins and you still won't stay in! How is it ever possible!"
HH: "Because I'm feeling shiny and great today!"
Me: "I give up..."

[Jing]

How do you find the day-to-day upkeep of chin length versus when it was at waist? I have freedom-loving hair and have never really found a solution except doing my hair several times a day when it falls out.

Ideally I'd like my hair to look decent without having to think about it at all during the day :p

Day-to-day, waist was way less upkeep, because I just kept it bunned with spin pins all the time. No such thing as a bad hairday when you can comb it back and forget about it, haha! Had to redo the bun a couple of times a day maybe, but by the time I got to waist there was enough hair that I could at least somewhat secure it in simple buns with the right toys. But chin obviously requires less effort and time on wash days, especially drying, and you don't have to think about damage so much because the ends get cut before they get all that damaged. Keeping it out of your face, though, ugh...

[Five of Five]

Day-to-day, waist was way less upkeep, because I just kept it bunned with spin pins all the time. No such thing as a bad hairday when you can comb it back and forget about it, haha! Had to redo the bun a couple of times a day maybe, but by the time I got to waist there was enough hair that I could at least somewhat secure it in simple buns with the right toys. But chin obviously requires less effort and time on wash days, especially drying, and you don't have to think about damage so much because the ends get cut before they get all that damaged. Keeping it out of your face, though, ugh...

Thanks! I've been considering going with a short cut, but hair in the face sounds very distracting. It sounds like there is a bit of a trade-off when it comes to length, and the effort-tidiness ratio might also be affected by hair type and lifestyle :p

[daisy rei]

Oh yeah, I need to be a member of this club.

Here was my first ever LWB that I successfully accomplished:
https://images2.imgbox.com/3a/52/EwL8Pt5A_o.jpg

And then those ends fell right out five seconds later......
https://images2.imgbox.com/4c/f0/RGK11SQN_o.jpg

[lilelf]

So much "yes" that It has become habit to redo my hair all day, every day. I am always in awe when I read that someone has had a style in for x numbers of days. Days, you say?? More like seconds over here. Lol. Houdini has nothing on my "Escape from Alcatraz" mop. ;)

[Jing]

Thanks! I've been considering going with a short cut, but hair in the face sounds very distracting. It sounds like there is a bit of a trade-off when it comes to length, and the effort-tidiness ratio might also be affected by hair type and lifestyle :p

Yeah, my hair grows forward, so it's constantly in my face if not contained. And if it's windy, all you can do at chin is either find your zen or put on a hat. :p Oh, it also tangled a lot less. Not at all, actually. And it was easier to make my curls look good, though at 1c that won't be an issue for you, obviously. The complete chaos that is my curl pattern is a pretty hopeless case at this stage, so I usually comb my hair before it's completely dry and go wavy instead.

[Five of Five]

Yeah, my hair grows forward, so it's constantly in my face if not contained. And if it's windy, all you can do at chin is either find your zen or put on a hat. :p Oh, it also tangled a lot less. Not at all, actually. And it was easier to make my curls look good, though at 1c that won't be an issue for you, obviously. The complete chaos that is my curl pattern is a pretty hopeless case at this stage, so I usually comb my hair before it's completely dry and go wavy instead.

Curls and waves look particularly cute in a bob! Maybe the reason I don't remember it going into my eyes is because last time it was that short, I had very thick bangs (which sort of solves that problem, but come with other issues).

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I think I will reconsider getting a cut, since it sounds very much like you do notice it is there with shorter hair :p

[WaitingSoLong]

A fellow LHCer, BrownEyedSusan, gave me a huge tip that has tamed my hair escapes. Per her instructions, I took my U pins and squeezed them in a LOT so they are quite narrow, maybe only a half inch gap between tines, and they hold like a rock now. I use 3. I just cannot tell you the difference it has made for me.

Another thing I do is to bun damp (with scalp hair dry) and sometimes spritz hairspray to really hold all day long. I refuse to redo my buns all day.

Also, a stick bun secured with spin pins helps, but without damp/hairspray, they will still come loose. Spin pins alone only hold my hair with lots of hairspray and about 7 pins. Ugh.

[TatsuOni]

After having behaved decently (for Houdini-hair) for a while. The last few days it refuses to stay up with either sticks or forks. Luckily, two claw clips claw clips work quite alright after a few attempts to get the bun steady...

[Cg]

After I hit classic, I had nothing but superHoudini problems with ALL buns. Experience suggests that after a bit of growth I may be able to do something else with it than my Desperation bun, but for now that's what I use every single uninspired day.

[redhed515]

My hair is fine and shiney. I do up-dos on the second or third day after washing. That helps.

[lakhesis]

Oh yeah, I need to be a member of this club.

Here was my first ever LWB that I successfully accomplished:
https://images2.imgbox.com/3a/52/EwL8Pt5A_o.jpg

And then those ends fell right out five seconds later......
https://images2.imgbox.com/4c/f0/RGK11SQN_o.jpg

SAME! And I thought I was the only one who just can't get LWB to stay, it's so popular around here. I did mine quite tight, went to the store which is like 5 minutes from my house and it fell apart already on my way there :justy:

[daisy rei]

SAME! And I thought I was the only one who just can't get LWB to stay, it's so popular around here. I did mine quite tight, went to the store which is like 5 minutes from my house and it fell apart already on my way there :justy:

Practice makes perfect! I love seeing this picture now, because I've definitely improved, at least a little bit! :grnbiggri

https://images2.imgbox.com/46/88/5Z8QRK0i_o.png

Trying different variations, like using three fingers instead of my whole hand, etc. really helped me improve the tightness and hold throughout the day. I still haven't managed to get it nice and tight with sticks compared to forks, but using a ponytail elastic as a base before bunning it helps a lot, even if it feels like cheating.

[leayellena]

My hair is so slippery now after wcc I had to ponytail it, then braid it and at last bun it.
Now I understand a bit what they mean with "heavy hair". The ponytail sags and rips off hair eventually.
But I am the living proof that voluminous buns are possible with fine, slippery and long hair.

[Xu]

My updos stay in pretty well but when it comes to texture manipulation my hair escapes any shape it's supposed to hold within a matter of 30min.

[school of fish]

My sleep buns are exploding nightly - every morning I wake up with my hair stick spit out onto the pillow and my hair unraveled.

[TatsuOni]

Yesterday claw clips didn't work either but u-pins did. Let's see what I'll have to do today...

[GrowlingCupcake]

I'm not sure if my hair is turning Houdini or not but it's getting very slippery, and frequently spits out forks. Sticks gently slide out of it. Before, this only happened on wash day or the day after wash day. Now it's happening on day three or day four or just some random day.

Claw clips are fine. Pony tails sag. Braids sag even when I try to make them tight. Spin pins mostly stay in, and stay in place but U pins don't always manage to. Forks, and sticks are a hit or miss. Hair ties slide off the ends of braids to the point where I don't bother with securing my sleep braids anymore.

Is this Houdini hair?

[TatsuOni]

I'm not sure if my hair is turning Houdini or not but it's getting very slippery, and frequently spits out forks. Sticks gently slide out of it. Before, this only happened on wash day or the day after wash day. Now it's happening on day three or day four or just some random day.

Claw clips are fine. Pony tails sag. Braids sag even when I try to make them tight. Spin pins mostly stay in, and stay in place but U pins don't always manage to. Forks, and sticks are a hit or miss. Hair ties slide off the ends of braids to the point where I don't bother with securing my sleep braids anymore.

Is this Houdini hair?

Sure sounds like it! Welcome to the slippery side of life! ;)

[TreesOfEternity]

Yesterday I was able to contain this escapist on a LWB the day after wash day, with a stick!!!! I still can't believe that I'm able to use a stick on clean hair haha.

[M3DUS4]

so there's a name for it, huh... neat. My hair Henri Papillons it within twenty minutes of me putting it in a clip or a tie of any sort. It also can't hold a curl to save my life.

I think I read somewhere that undamaged/healthy hair is more likely to not cooperate with styling? Its vitality just makes it strong and springy, and it'll spring right out of whatever you put it in, whereas damaged, weak hair just gives up and stays where you put it

[TatsuOni]

so there's a name for it, huh... neat. My hair Henri Papillons it within twenty minutes of me putting it in a clip or a tie of any sort. It also can't hold a curl to save my life.

I think I read somewhere that undamaged/healthy hair is more likely to not cooperate with styling? Its vitality just makes it strong and springy, and it'll spring right out of whatever you put it in, whereas damaged, weak hair just gives up and stays where you put it

There's a difference between healthy hair too. Some people can have their healthy hair up without any problems and others have hair like silk - Houdini-hair that slips out of anything. But it gets a bit easier with length.

[GrowlingCupcake]

Sure sounds like it! Welcome to the slippery side of life! ;)

Yay! And thank you. I think xD =P

I'm managing to contained just washed hair in a quattro fork! Though, when I went out for an appointment earlier, I was using a ficcare, and it just kept sliding, and tugging on my hair D: I had to readjust it so many times.

M3DUS4 I have damaged hair (boxed dyes), and I still have slippery hair.

[TatsuOni]

I made milkmaid braids last week and they stayed in place quite well, thanks to "a few" u pins and one amish pin...

https://cdn1.cdnme.se/1263465/9-3/3_5bdc8205ddf2b373168136b9.jpg

[M3DUS4]

I think people with wave/curl have an advantage as well... more places for the hair to catch against itself rather than sliding.

[M3DUS4]

that's a shame... quattro forks sound like a fabulous idea. I might buy one tbh

[WyntreBlossom]

Hello and count me in. My bun's (even a disc bun) have to be redone once or twice a day! OOf! Didn't realize this was a problem so many others had. Braids have to be redone as well as whatever I tie them off with just slips out over time!

[TatsuOni]

Hello and count me in. My bun's (even a disc bun) have to be redone once or twice a day! OOf! Didn't realize this was a problem so many others had. Braids have to be redone as well as whatever I tie them off with just slips out over time!

Welcome! :)