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molljo
August 5th, 2016, 06:41 PM
In the first year of growing out my hair, I tried out a bunch of different products with different ingredients to get a feel of what worked for me and what didn't. Protein, especially in conditioners and shampoos, was a nightmare. Hard and brittle hair, had to SMT a few times to make it feel normal again. I found I could tolerate small amounts of it in leave ins. "Ok," I thought, "this is all good to know. Stay away from most protein" and I did, and it worked for a couple years perfectly.

Over the past few months, my hair'd been feeling worse and worse: hard, dry, crunchy, snapping easily. I kept getting more and more mid-strand splits, some as high as a couple inches away from the roots. It never felt smooth or soft. Tangles came right back as soon as I put my comb down. There was zero slip. I clarified, chelated, deep conditioned, S&Ded, and microtrimmed on a regular basis. I WCC and LOC. I added honey to my conditioners. I pre-poo oiled. Nothing worked.

So, I thought that maybe my hair didn't like the proteins in my leave-ins (Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie and Nightblooming Panacea) so I quit using them for a few weeks. My hair, somehow, got worse.

So, like a good LHC member, I researched. My hair didn't have any of the qualities of needing protein: it wasn't gummy or overly stretchy when wet (in fact, it snapped very easily), and it wasn't stringy or limp (it was was poofy and bushy). The entire internet was telling me I should avoid protein and add moisture, even though I wasn't using any protein, and I had an incredibly moisturizing routine.

So, I figured why not try it anyway because I was running out of options.

I got some gelatin and mixed half a packet with a bit of hot water and added the rest of my usual modified SMT (GVP Conditioning Balm, olive oil, and pancake syrup). Washed my hair normally and methodically slathered all of my hair in the SMT goop in 1 inch sections. LO AND BEHOLD I was finally getting that slimy/seaweed feeling that told me it was actually absorbing into my hair! I hadn't felt that in so long I forgot what it was like. I let it marinate under a shower cap and towel for 30 minutes, and when I rinsed it out the change was huge. Before, when I would rinse out a deep treatment, even as I could feel the product wash away, the hair underneath basically felt exactly the same as if I'd only gotten it wet (rough, hard, zero slip). This time, it was smooth! It had slip! It felt like hair and not a bundle of wires and straw!

So, it's a few hours afterward, and my hair's completely dry (it would usually take twice as long), and it feels so, so much better. It's not perfect; there are still some rough spots left, but the change is so dramatic I'm confident that if I keep this in my regular rotation I'll see increasingly better results.

I wanted to post this in the hopes that my discovery could help someone in the same position I was. Sometimes the most common symptoms are not the only symptoms. Sometimes the thing you're avoiding could be the key to solving your problem.

pailin
August 5th, 2016, 07:09 PM
Wow, I'm glad you found the solution! Hair can be funny that way.

lapushka
August 6th, 2016, 02:21 AM
Yeah. I am careful with protein, myself. It can be in conditioners for me, but the amount is usually so low it doesn't bother my hair. I do finish up with a moisture-filled conditioner every time, though, and since I condition twice, that's usually in one go.

I'm glad you found out what was wrong... quite a journey.

PixieP
August 6th, 2016, 03:37 AM
You mix your gelatin treatment directly with the smt? Interesting! I'll need to try that.

Sunshine&Opals
August 6th, 2016, 04:26 AM
How intriguing! I wonder if anyone else here has experienced similar?

QuietVixen
August 6th, 2016, 05:20 AM
That's an interesting experience! I'm so glad you helped your hair with the protein treatment. Maybe it shows we should never exclude trying something because it didn't work prior. I'm proud of you for taking the chance with the protein treatment! I hope your hair continues to flourish.

spidermom
August 6th, 2016, 09:45 AM
I've recently added Joico KPak Reconstructor to my routine - once per week - and the results definitely confirm my suspicion for needing more protein.

dancingfrog
August 6th, 2016, 10:38 AM
My hair didn't have any of the qualities of needing protein: it wasn't gummy or overly stretchy when wet (in fact, it snapped very easily), and it wasn't stringy or limp (it was was poofy and bushy). The entire internet was telling me I should avoid protein and add moisture, even though I wasn't using any protein, and I had an incredibly moisturizing routine.

So, I figured why not try it anyway because I was running out of options.


Same here. I tried the aphogee treatment. I'm not sure it looks any better, but it feels better. I am noticing more splits than before the treatment. Not sure if the treatment caused that or I am just due for a trim.

Opinions? Thoughts?

diddiedaisy
August 6th, 2016, 10:47 AM
I've recently added Joico KPak Reconstructor to my routine - once per week - and the results definitely confirm my suspicion for needing more protein.

I've recently started using this, I follow it with Aussie 3mm moisture and I find it's a great combination.

The protein/moisture balance is so hard to work out, too much protein hair breaks, too little protein hair breaks, gummy hair needing protein is the only straight forward one. I've still not worked it out after 2 1/2 years so I just use both lol

meteor
August 6th, 2016, 02:05 PM
I'm so happy you made such a helpful post about this experience, molljo :D , because I think so many people tend to think of protein as directly "opposite" of moisture, for some reason... :hmm: ....while hydrolyzed proteins can actually help hair hold onto moisture better and help create a "film" that can help keep moisture in for longer. They can even work like some humectants.

Since your hair responded so amazingly well to proteins, I'd definitely incorporate more of those and also, I'd be on the lookout for some other ingredients in products that can have some similarities in terms of helping with moisture retention and forming film/adding a bit more "rigidity":
http://science-yhairblog.blogspot.ca/2014/07/film-forming-humectants-what-they-are.html


You mix your gelatin treatment directly with the smt? Interesting! I'll need to try that.

I love SMT + gelatin, too. :agree: That's how I do all my gelatin treatments. Only I replace aloe with oil. Mixing gelatin directly into SMT in a one-step treatment allows me to avoid an extra moisturizing step after protein.

molljo
August 6th, 2016, 03:43 PM
Thanks so much for your kind words, everyone!!


You mix your gelatin treatment directly with the smt? Interesting! I'll need to try that.

I'd read about people doing that in a few different threads, and I figured it was the simplest way to incorporate protein without having to do several different steps.


Same here. I tried the aphogee treatment. I'm not sure it looks any better, but it feels better. I am noticing more splits than before the treatment. Not sure if the treatment caused that or I am just due for a trim.

Opinions? Thoughts?

Maybe you need to add more moisturizing agents afterward? Or maybe the Aphogee is too intense? Since I'm clearly a protein newbie I'm just guessing. Hopefully it's as simple as needing a trim, though.


I'm so happy you made such a helpful post about this experience, molljo :D , because I think so many people tend to think of protein as directly "opposite" of moisture, for some reason... :hmm: ....while hydrolyzed proteins can actually help hair hold onto moisture better and help create a "film" that can help keep moisture in for longer. They can even work like some humectants.

Since your hair responded so amazingly well to proteins, I'd definitely incorporate more of those and also, I'd be on the lookout for some other ingredients in products that can have some similarities in terms of helping with moisture retention and forming film/adding a bit more "rigidity":
http://science-yhairblog.blogspot.ca/2014/07/film-forming-humectants-what-they-are.html



I love SMT + gelatin, too. :agree: That's how I do all my gelatin treatments. Only I replace aloe with oil. Mixing gelatin directly into SMT in a one-step treatment allows me to avoid an extra moisturizing step after protein.

I think the idea of a "protein/moisture balance" is what led me (and probably lots of others) to believe they were like a scale, with over-proteined side effects on one side, over-moisturized side effects on the other, and nice, lovely hair when they're even. Clearly, this isn't always the case.

And thank you for linking that!! I read her blog a ton, but I'd somehow missed that entry. I knew about hydrolyzed proteins acting as film-forming humectants, but since I'd had such a bad experience with them before, I thought that it didn't work for me. The list of non-protein film-formers is new to me, though, so that's incredibly helpful going forward.

PixieP
August 6th, 2016, 06:14 PM
I love SMT + gelatin, too. :agree: That's how I do all my gelatin treatments. Only I replace aloe with oil. Mixing gelatin directly into SMT in a one-step treatment allows me to avoid an extra moisturizing step after protein.

I tried a sort of version today, well I didn't have aloe or honey, lol. But I dipped my hair in the gelatin (I do it upside down, as it's mostly my lower half that needs the protein) and then I slathered it with Aussie 3MM. Sat on top of the toilet with my hair hanging into the shower stall while browsing FB on my phone for a few minutes and then rinsed. So much easier and quicker! And even for just a couple of minutes my hair picked up the protein. Awesome.