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CurlyCap
July 9th, 2016, 10:49 PM
In reference to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-JCuvbSfco

Do you think a long hair could do the hairnet trick without backcombing, as long as they had enough hair to bulk up the net...even if they had to fold over their hair to get enough bulk?

Just want to hear people talk about achieving a similar style using an LHC approach.

spirals
July 9th, 2016, 11:23 PM
If I do a roller set that's fairly tight and then do a good brush-out, it will have a lot of volume. And the curls will form better. I'm talking 1/2" diameter sponge curlers. My hair's almost hip and I can get it onto half-inchers if I'm careful and use enough of them.

CurlyCap
July 9th, 2016, 11:38 PM
If I do a roller set that's fairly tight and then do a good brush-out, it will have a lot of volume. And the curls will form better. I'm talking 1/2" diameter sponge curlers. My hair's almost hip and I can get it onto half-inchers if I'm careful and use enough of them.

I'm specifically interested in how she used the hair nets to make almost spikes/hills of hair, rather than typical pinned curls.

Since most straight hair is also smooth, Im wondering if the video finished product can be made without backcombing.

spirals
July 9th, 2016, 11:45 PM
I don't know. The backcombing just seems unnecessary with a roller set, which should settle into waves like that if it's set right and brushed out right. The nets would just capture what the hair was already wanting to do. I don't know how to explain it better. I'm not good with explaining pictures in my brain, I guess.

Night_Kitten
July 10th, 2016, 01:47 PM
I think it's possible to do without a back-combing, would take practice to arrange all the bits just right though, and probably you'll end up with more "waves" due to more length but each a bit thinner that what she is doing...
And perhaps using a doughnut hair form (same as when doing a sock bun) would give the arrangement a "base" to anchor all the bits to (and also add some volume to the final result, which is usually a good thing in such fancy styles - they are meant to look big and awesome)
Doing it on someone else would be MUCH easier than doing it on your own head though - being able to see where and how you arrange the "waves" and how/where to pin seems like the key to this style, and that's way harder when doing it on the back of your own head...

Hairkay
July 10th, 2016, 03:45 PM
I'd say if the hair is thick/dense enough then backcombing is not necessary. Curly hair can also have enough volume without back combing all you have to do is use a brush.

chantecler
July 10th, 2016, 04:48 PM
I think that on tightly curly hair it's probably possible, but I think that on straight smooth hair, the backcombing and the hairspray are not only for volume, but mostly for texture. backcombed hair is much easier to arrange in these sorts of shapes without sliding and deforming than smooth straight hair.
It's still probably worth a try though!

meteor
July 10th, 2016, 05:17 PM
In reference to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-JCuvbSfco

Do you think a long hair could do the hairnet trick without backcombing, as long as they had enough hair to bulk up the net...even if they had to fold over their hair to get enough bulk?

Just want to hear people talk about achieving a similar style using an LHC approach.

If you mean creating that poof in an updo in that video, then there are many different approaches without backcombing, for example:

- using the hair in the front to coil up (either loose or braided) under itself to create a bump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DnCi6pY1P4

- using a bump-it, e.g like this (http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1o_LBHpXXXXataXXXq6xXFXXXh/High-quality-font-b-hair-b-font-styling-tools-font-b-bumpits-b-font-fashion-font.jpg)or this (http://wigsphilippines.hairextensionsphilippines.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/bump-it.jpg) or this (http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1RAGEJpXXXXXPXFXXq6xXFXXXD/2pcs-Sponge-font-b-Hair-b-font-Maker-Styling-Twist-Magic-Bun-font-b-Hair-b.jpg)(but without velcro, of course) or cut up foam bun form: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuKe5hCrbbI

Using volumizing shampoos (often containing things like hydrolyzed proteins, panthenol, salt, cassia, etc), mousses, etc... or on dry hair - hair powders, texturizing powders/spray, dry shampoo - can usually help a tiny bit with the root volume while styling later. Also, techniques like root clipping for curly hair while air drying or blow-drying roots upside down, sleeping with very high buns/"pineappled" hair etc... can help create some root volume for styling a bit, as well.

chantecler
July 10th, 2016, 08:18 PM
I think OP here is talking about the sections of hair in the back that are put in nets and pinned in meanderous shapes.

Lunnafindel
July 10th, 2016, 09:01 PM
wow, I love the hairnet idea! I've got to try that. does anyone know where to find hairnets like that...and if they make really really big ones? That seems like such a great way to cut down on the need for mousse/hairspray to make that stay - I actually believe that I could achieve something like that (on someone else) rather than just giving up before I begin since I don't want to use product.

I don't know what to do about the backcombing, I just wanted to jump in and say I LOVE the idea.

spirals
July 10th, 2016, 09:09 PM
Sally Beauty has all kinds of nets.

meteor
July 11th, 2016, 09:18 AM
I think OP here is talking about the sections of hair in the back that are put in nets and pinned in meanderous shapes.

Ah thanks a lot, chantecler! ;) I got it now! :D In that I case, I would just curl hair (if it's already curly, the whole look is much easier to achieve, of course) and then pin curls around in a bunch of barrel curls (when you twirl curls into loops and pin them up). A hairnet in color similar to haircolor would definitely help reduce the need for a ton of visible bobby pins for a style like this.

If the hair is very long, this look might be harder (because length has to be hidden somewhere before the curly ends are exposed). I know I wouldn't be able to achieve this exact look due to my length and thickness, for example, so I'd either do a Serpentine/Medusa bun (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=134380) or go for something like this:
- Leaf hairstyle from GoT by Ladollyvita333: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrr7sU0wY5E (using a variety of braids and knots)
- Samantha hairstyle by Torrinpaige: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JTMJmt938Y (using Pretzel bun as the "comet bun" base to eat up length and then pinning curly ends around it)