Has Anyone Heard of Monat?

[Complexity]

Not sure this is the right place for this, but until I have further info this will have to do I guess? I did a quick search on here and couldn't find anything.

Some random person on Facebook messaged me (this happens more often than it should) about a hair care product called Monat - Apparently it's supposed to do all sorts of lovely things for your hair regardless of your issues or condition.

I asked said random person for an ingredients list (which apparently she's still working on) and for studies. She sent me this:
http://mymonat.com/Resource/DbFile/?f=Clinical%20Studies_Simple.pdf
She then asked me if I'd prefer to see a longer study. I replied yes (of course), and haven't received anything back yet (will post updates if I do).

I googled it and all I could find were random reviews. Just wondering if any of you lovely people have any experience/thoughts on the product.

[meteor]

I see it promoted a lot on YouTube and by hair bloggers.

I found the ingredients for their Monat Rejuvenique Oil Intensive:


Limnanthes Alba (Meadowfoam) Seed Oil, Crambe Abyssinica Seed Oil, Camellia Oleifera Seed Oil, Solanum Lycopersicum (Tomato) Seed Oil, Daucus Carota Sativa (Carrot) Seed Oil, Citrus Limon (Lemon) Peel Oil, Citrus Aurantifolia (Lime) Oil, Citrus Aurantium Bergamia (Bergamot) Fruit Oil, Adansonia Digitata Oil, Mauritia Flexuosa Fruit Oil, Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Oil, Gardenia Tahitensis Flower Extract, Moringa Oleifera Seed Oil, Caryocar Brasiliense Fruit Oil, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil

(Source: http://www.lolassecretbeautyblog.com/2014/11/monat-rejuveniqe-oil-intensive-review.html
or http://www.helloprettybird.com/2014/11/review-monat-global-rejuveniqe-oil.html)

Those are really nice ingredients, but ~$100 for 30ml ? :bigeyes:

[Complexity]

I'm entirely too skeptical about things like this... Here's the longer version of the study (I'm working my way through it now, but thought some others might also be interested. I can't help but think of meteor when I say that :)):
http://mymonat.com/Resource/DbFile/?f=Clinical%20Trials%20-extended%20version.pdf

And here are the ingredients for 9 of their 16 products (others should follow soonish):
http://mymonat.com/Resource/DbFile/?f=Product%20Key%20Ingredient%20Sheets.pdf

My issue is that she's sending me all of these things from the company's website, but I won't pass judgement until I read them (and possibly get some opinions from some of you more experienced LHCers :)).

[Sweets]

Based on the list of ingredients, it looks like it SMELLS AMAZING! What is it supposed to do, exactly?

Honestly, $100 for 30mL is crazy. She is just trying to sell you something, and we all know about studies published by the companies themselves...(Big Tobacco, anyone?).

Keep us updated!

[meteor]

Shanda, thanks a lot for adding those files, they are great! :thumbsup:

So I've read the ingredients lists and the extended version of the studies you shared and here are my first thoughts:

1) Capixyl looks very interesting indeed for hair loss (specifically from Androgenetic Alopecia). I do have a problem that the study wasn't independent, of course, and they didn't compare it to Minoxidil (a bit of a golden standard for AGA) or any other hairloss treatments. And they didn't specify whether all volunteers were suffering from AGA specifically, stating just "hair loss" in general. (We know that different types of alopecia can require different treatments.)
I don't understand why this isn't talked about more actually and why it's not in more products, since it's been around for a few years now... :hmm: maybe because not many people tried it or the pricing is too high or it's simply not effective? Anyway, here is a thread on it on a hairloss forum: https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/4742-Hmm-Capixyl

2) Procataline (1%) looks like it just protects hair from some environmental stressors like UV damage, seemingly helps recover from oxidative damage. OK, maybe interesting, but again, not independent, and they didn't compare it to anything else (like good quality leave-in, rinse-out conditioners, oils...).
Though this conclusion was very interesting: "Increase collagen production, directly increasing follicle size by 70%." They didn't specify how they measured it, but it's interesting.

3) Crodasorb UV-283 is just a UV filter. The test didn't compare it to other agents with UV protection. UV protection can be found in many drugstore brands and they are super-affordable products, and I believe nothing beats a UV buff / sun hat for that kind of protection anyway. ;)

4) Rejuvenique with Abyssinian Oil. I have serious gripe with this one, because it's made to sound like this exotic solution, but, in reality, it's just a blend of oils (ingredients up-thread), and the way they tested it was to comb hair without anything on vs. hair with this oil blend and measure the combability and luster, and, of course the oil blend outperformed "naked" tresses (especially on curlier hair). However, that's just how oils work, and we already know that many much cheaper oils increase shine and combability, too, for example:

Brazilian oils and butters: the effect of different fatty acid chain composition on human hair physiochemical properties: http://journal.scconline.org/pdf/cc2009/cc060n02/p00273-p00280.pdf
"Oil treatments rendered about a 60% reduction of combing force at wet conditions. The reduction of combing forces is a combination of water wetting and the lubricant effects of the oil on the fibers."
"In dry condition combing analysis, the reduction of combing force percentage is around 19% and statistically different after treatments with Brazilian nut, passion fruit seed and mineral oil. [...] This results point that the lubricating effect of oils is less pronounced to dry tresses."

The results on Rejuvenique would be more interesting if they had compared Rejuvenique to things like silicones or mineral oil or other oils.



In a nutshell, their studies aren't independent, and I'd be careful for lack of other supporting evidence: we always need more studies to confirm initial findings anyway. Big claims require big evidence.

But if I were to shell out money on something like this, I would skip Rejuvenique Oil altogether, but I would contact the company again and ask them:

1. What is the exact % concentration of Capixyl in each product?
According to this other document on the Capixyl study (http://www.hatumou-life.com/wp-content/uploads/capixyl_kani_1.pdf), you need 5% Capixyl for intensive treatment and 0.5% - 2.5% for preventive care.
Capixyl solution (INCI ingredients to look for): Butylene Glycol (and) Water (and) Dextran (and) Acetyl Tetrapeptide-3 (and) Trifolium Pratense (Clover) Flower Extract

2. What is the % concentration of Procataline in each product? Their testing was done on 1% solution.

The reason I'd ask this is because it's not something that can be gleaned from the ingredients lists, and sometimes the study tests a solution, but the product that refers to the study may have a lot less concentrated actives, which sometimes renders it ineffective, but stays on the label as an appealing marketing claim.

If the concentrations are OK and you are suffering from AGA, I'd only get the product that's applied to scalp (for Capixyl action) and the most cost-effective in terms of $ per ml.
Also, I'd recommend researching further (maybe even contacting Capixyl researchers) to find out where else Capixyl is used and to compare formulas and prices.
Don't forget that in their study, they applied the Capixyl solution to scalp every evening for 4 months straight, so that's a big investment.
Typically, with male/female pattern baldness, one cannot just stop treatment (or else, the hairloss resumes and the gained regrowth can shed again), so it's a very long term plan indeed, and very costly solutions aren't great for that reason.

And if you don't have any hair growth issues, I don't see any reason at all to invest too much money into just a line of hair products, IMHO. :flower:
And if we assume that it can actually be effective for AGA, as it claims, and the concentration is high enough, then I wouldn't mess with the treatments if you don't have that diagnosis (can be risky).

Please let us know whatever you decide to do and how it goes! :cheer:
If anybody has tried this or has thoughts on this, please do share! :cheer:

[meteor]

Also, Shanda, if you are interested in Monat specifically for Capixyl's claims to stimulate hair growth, I should add that there seem to be quite a few products with Capixyl (solution of Trifolium Pratense (Clover) Flower Extract and Acetyl Tetrapeptide-3 and Dextran and Butylene Glycol and Water).

I don't know the concentrations in these products (I'd recommend checking with manufacturer), but they might be worth looking into, and they are a lot more affordable than the Monat system. :)

Amplixin Stimulating Shampoo
https://amplixin.com/products/shampoo

Water (Aqua), Sodium Lauroyl Methyl Isethionate, Sodium Methyl Cocoyl Taurate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Acrylates Copolymer, Glycol Distearate, Lauryl Glucoside, Acetyl Tetrapeptide-3, Trifolium Pratense (Red Clover), Aloe Barbadensis Leaf (Aloe Vera) Juice Powder, Dimethyl Lauramine Oleate, Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate, Salvia Officinalis (SAGE) Leaf Extract, Rosmarinus Officinalis Leaf Extract, Niacin, Caprylyl Glycol, Caffeine, Phenoxyethanol, Hexylene Glycol, Ethylhexylglycerin, Fragrance, Tocopherol, Dextran, Sodium Hydroxide, Butylene Glycol.

Amplixin Revitalizing Conditioner
https://amplixin.com/products/conditioner

Water (aqua), Stearyl Alcohol, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearamidopropyl Dimethalyamine, Cyclopentasiloxane, Argania Spinosa (Argan) Kernel Oil, Dimethicone, Acetyl Tetrapeptide-3, Trifolium Pratense, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Dextran, Lactic Acid, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf (Aloe Vera) Juice POWDER, Butylene Glycol, Disodium EDTA, Phenoxyethanol, Ethylhexylglycerin, Fragrance.

Alterna Caviar Repair Lengthening Hair & Scalp Elixir
http://www.sephora.com/caviar-repair-lengthening-hair-scalp-elixir-P388825?skuId=1603075&icid2=product_similar%20products_hair:treatment:sc alp%20&%20hair%20treatment_p388825_image

Water, Glycerin, Propanediol, Polyquaternium-55, Polyquaternium-4, Acetyl Tetrapeptide-3, Dextran, Tamarindus Indica Fruit Extract, Butylene Glycol, Trifolium Pratense (Clover) Flower Extract, Hydroxypropyl Guar, Behenyl/Stearyl Aminopropanediol Esters, Caviar Extract, Algae Extract, Saccharomyces/Magnesium Ferment, Saccharomyces/Copper Ferment, Saccharomyces/Silicon Ferment, Saccharomyces/Zinc Ferment, Saccharomyces/Iron Ferment, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Phospholipids, Superoxide Dismutase, Tocopheryl Acetate, Ascorbic Acid, Polysilicone-15, PEG-40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Oleth-20, Aminomethyl Propanol, Disodium EDTA, Phenoxyethanol, Methylisothiazolinone, Fragrance, Citral, Coumarin, Geraniol, Hexyl Cinnamal, Limonene, Linalool.

Alterna Caviar Clinical Daily Root & Scalp Stimulator
http://www.sephora.com/caviar-clinical-daily-root-scalp-stimulator-P309412

Water (Aqua), Butylene Glycol, Serenoa Serrulata Fruit Extract, Paullinia Cupana Seed Extract, Propylene Glycol, Phenoxyethanol, PEG-40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Oleth-20, Polysorbate 20, Rice Amino Acids, Disodium EDTA, Hydrolyzed Glycosaminoglycans, Taurine, Hexyl Cinnamal, Glycine Soja (Soybean) Oil, Mentha Arvensis Leaf Oil, Menthol, Limonene, Azelaic Acid, Calcium Pantothenate, Calphostin C, Magnesium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Magnesium Salicylate, n-Carboxyethyl Butyric Acid, Niacin, Ornithine Decarboxylase, Phosphorus, Retinyl Palmitate, Threonine, Tocopheryl Acetate, Zinc Gluconate, PPG-26-Buteth-26, Linalool, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract, Cinchona Succirubra Bark Extract, Coptis Japonica Extract, Cymbopogon Schoenanthus Extract, Gastrodia Elata Root Extract, Ginkgo Biloba Leaf Extract, Nasturtium Officinale Flower/Leaf Extract, Polygonum Multiflorum Extract, Robinia Pseudacacia Flower Extract, Royal Jelly Extract, Methylisothiazolinone, Geraniol, Dextran, Citral, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Glycerin, Trifolium Pratense (Clover) Flower Extract, Panthenol, Acetyl Tetrapeptide-3, Apigenin, Oleanolic Acid, Biotinoyl Tripeptide-1, Keratin Amino Acids, Hydrolyzed Algae Extract, Polysilicone-15, Wasabia Japonica Root Extract, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Urtica Dioica (Nettle) Extract, Saccharomyces/Magnesium Ferment, Pikea Robusta Extract, Polyquaternium-10, Silanetriol Melaninate, Superoxide Dismutase, Bromelain, Glycine Max (Soybean) Symbiosome Extract, Papain, Saccharomyces/Iron Ferment, Saccharomyces/Copper Ferment, Adenosine Triphosphate, Hexapeptide-11, Niacinamide/Yeast Polypeptide, Saccharomyces/Silicon Ferment, Saccharomyces/Zinc Ferment, Caviar Extract, Phospholipids, Ascorbic Acid Polypeptide, Pantothenic Acid/Yeast Polypeptide, Soy Amino Acids, Fragrance.

Alterna Caviar Clinical Weekly Intensive Boosting Treatment
http://www.sephora.com/caviar-clinical-weekly-intensive-boosting-treatment-P309413

Water (Aqua), Isododecane, Cyclopentasiloxane, Butylene Glycol, Laureth-4, Phenoxyethanol, Phenyl Trimethicone, Polysorbate 20, Polyquaternium-16, Panthenyl Hydroxypropyl Steardimonium Chloride, PEG-40 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Panthenol, Glycerin, Disodium EDTA, Cetrimonium Chloride, PPG-26-Buteth-26, Hexyl Cinnamal, Methylisothiazolinone, Limonene, Linalool, Dextran, Polysilicone-15, Apigenin, Trifolium Pratense (Clover) Flower Extract, Acetyl Tetrapeptide-3, Oleanolic Acid, Biotinoyl Tripeptide-1, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Laminaria Digitata Extract, Pikea Robusta Extract, Glycine Max (Soybean) Symbiosome Extract, Wasabia Japonica Root Extract, Serenoa Serrulata Fruit Extract, Keratin Amino Acids, Phospholipids, Adenosine Triphosphate, Hexapeptide-11, Niacinamide/Yeast Polypeptide, Polyquaternium-10, Silanetriol Melaninate, Superoxide Dismutase, Biotin, Bromelain, Papain, Taurine, Urtica Dioica (Nettle) Extract, Saccharomyces/Magnesium Ferment, Caviar Extract, Saccharomyces/Iron Ferment, Saccharomyces/Copper Ferment, Saccharomyces/Silicon Ferment, Saccharomyces/Zinc Ferment, Ascorbic Acid Polypeptide, Pantothenic Acid/Yeast Polypeptide, Fragrance (Parfum).


And more products with just Red Clover extract, which is supposedly key ingredient in Capixyl anyway:

Creme Of Nature Red Clover & Aloe Soothing Shampoo
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Creme-Of-Nature-Red-Clover-Aloe-Soothing-Shampoo-15.2-fl-oz/10321862

Ultra-Purified Water (Aqua) (Eau), Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Disodium Oleamido Mea-Sulfosuccinate, Disdoium Cocoamphodiacetate, Glycol Stearate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Trifolium Pratense (Clover) Flower Extract, Mentha Peiperita (Peppermint) Leaf Extract, Ocimum Basilicum (Basil) Extract, Polygala Senega Root Extract, Nasturtium Officinale (Wattercress) Extract, Salvia Officinalis (Sage) Leaf Extract, Thymus Vulgarais (Thyme) Extract, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Seed Extract, Mantha Piperita (Peppermint) Oil, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Oil, Citrus Aurantifolia (Lime) Oil, Mentha Viridis (Spearmint) Leaf Oil, Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Oil, Allantoin, Tocopheryl Acetate, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Hydrolyzed, Allantoin, Tocopheryl Acetate, Ale Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Hydrolyzed Wheat Starch, Peg-12 Dimethicone, Polyquaternium-10, Glycerin, Citric Acid, Polysorbate 20, Sodium Chloride, Tetrasodium Edta, Fragrance (Parfum)*, Benzyl Salicylate, Citronellol, Coumarin, Hydroxycitronellal, Limonene, Linalool, Alphaisomethyl Ionone, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Butylparaben, Ehtylparaben, Isobutylparaben, Phenoxyethanol, Yellow 5 (Ci 19140), Yellow 6 (Ci 15985), Caramel. *Fragrance Contains: Eugenia Caryophyllus (Clove) Flower Oil, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Oil, Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Seed Oil, and Cymbopogon Schoenanthus Oil.

Jane Carter Solutions Grow Great Hair Shampoo with Nettle, Red Clover and Arnica
http://www.janecartersolution.com/restore-grow-great-hair.html
Though I would contact the company first, because their ingredients list doesn't list Red Clover (in any of its names) anywhere, while the label does. :confused:

Chagrin Valley Hair Tea Red Hair Blend
http://www.chagrinvalleysoapandsalve.com/products/details/for-the-hair/herbal-hair-teas/hair-tea-red-hair-blend/

etc, etc...


And by the way, some people do DIY red clover rinses or add red clover to their DIY shampoo mixes (I'd be careful with this, always patch-test first and do pH testing and beware of temporary hair staining): http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/home/this-tea-is-not-just-good-for-menopause-it-could-help-with-alopecia-too/, http://www.herbnet.com/ask%20the%20herbalist/asktheherbalist_hair_loss.htm

[Horrorpops]

$100 for 30mL :run: so expensive hahaha

The ingredients do sound really nice though! Interesting breakdown Meteor!

[summergame]

Thank you Meteor for all this information! I didn't know that Capixyl is good for alopecia androgenetica. Just learned something new! :flower:

[meteor]

Thank you Meteor for all this information! I didn't know that Capixyl is good for alopecia androgenetica. Just learned something new! :flower:

Thank you, summergame. :blossom: I don't know if it works, it's way too early to say, but that study (the first one in the file Shanda shared - extended version) is very interesting indeed, especially in the way Capixyl modulated DHT and reduced inflammation - that's great news. :D But of course, it's not independent and it's only one study, which is not sufficient at all for such huge claims. Just to give you an example, Minoxidil, Finasteride, Ketoconazole, surgical hair restoration/transplants have many years of research and many studies (post # 118 (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=136845&p=3192491&viewfull=1#post3192491), post # 119 (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=136845&p=3192503&viewfull=1#post3192503)) supporting their effectiveness as AGA treatments (alone or in combinations), and they still don't work for many people or cause major side effects for some.

The only other study I found on Red Clover components and hair loss was this recent one here: Topical Treatment of Hair Loss with Formononetin by Modulating Apoptosis (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26756818) - and even then, it was done on mice.

Still, it's interesting and promising and I sure hope they'll keep researching it further :flower:, but if I were suffering from AGA, I'd go the tried and tested route first. ;)

[summergame]

Thank you, summergame. :blossom: I don't know if it works, it's way too early to say, but that study (the first one in the file Shanda shared - extended version) is very interesting indeed, especially in the way Capixyl modulated DHT and reduced inflammation - that's great news. :D But of course, it's not independent and it's only one study, which is not sufficient at all for such huge claims. Just to give you an example, Minoxidil, Finasteride, Ketoconazole, surgical hair restoration/transplants have many years of research and many studies (post # 118 (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=136845&p=3192491&viewfull=1#post3192491), post # 119 (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=136845&p=3192503&viewfull=1#post3192503)) supporting their effectiveness as AGA treatments (alone or in combinations), and they still don't work for many people or cause major side effects for some.

The only other study I found on Red Clover components and hair loss was this recent one here: Topical Treatment of Hair Loss with Formononetin by Modulating Apoptosis (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26756818) - and even then, it was done on mice.

Still, it's interesting and promising and I sure hope they'll keep researching it further :flower:, but if I were suffering from AGA, I'd go the tried and tested route first. ;)

Thank you for getting so much in detail Meteor! I would not be able to search all of this! :flower:

[KViktoria]

Id just like to say that I've been using Monat since October 2016 and it has changed my hair completely... it does seem quite expensive and thats what initially turned me off of it but after learning about how concentrated the formulation of the shampoo is, i realized that you don't have to use much at all.
When i would use my old shampoos i would fill my palm with it and with Monat I only use a dime size twice (i wash and leave in for 2 minutes or so, then rinse and repeat). I came across a video where the girl put the 2 dime size amounts of shampoo in a color application bottle and about 1 1/2 ounces of warm water and shook it up and applied to the hair. I do it this way now and you get a waaay better lather. Use half for the first wash and the rest for the second wash. I just received my second order but im still not finished my first lol. It lasts a long time. I wash my hair every 2-3 days. :) hope this helps anyone whos wondering about the products! Happy washing!!

[Mimha]

Meteor, just to tell you that you are such a precious source of kind, sound and honest advice ! I don't know how much time you spend searching for trustable info for the sake of your long haired friends here, but let me tell you that I feel extremelly grateful about it. Thank you so much !!!! :flowers: :flowers: :flowers:

[Synester]

old thread ive been redirected to, so im bumping it back, I suffered from AGA and lost a big portion of my hair, its been 3 years since that time and my hair had grown...but nothing of what it was before it ever happened. At the crown of my head is still thin and you can see my scalp. Is this product worth the hype? Does it really work. Ive heard some horror stories in the web of the "detox" phase and lots of shedding...i cant afford to shed any more than I already do. (i shed a lot) any more personal experience with this product would be helpful

[vega]

I would suggest seen a professional, sounds like you need medical advice good luck n hugs

[lapushka]

LisaLisaD1 on YT is a big Monate proponent; she sells the stuff too. I mean... Watch her, she claims to have baby hairs pop up. And she did some videos on it.

[Quasiquixotic]

Sooo. I'm visiting Colorado for work and staying with a good friend, who is also a hair stylist, and she has a shampoo and conditioner from this line. I've used it twice. Ladies, I'm grudgingly impressed. I can't remember the last time I liked my hair so much from just shampoo and conditioner. It feels clean but moisturized. I can't stop touching it. Even when I use cones it's doesn't feel like this. And I really like it.

About the detox, my gut feeling is a lot of that is from traditional hair care product build up and the process of getting all that out with a non sls shampoo. But I'm way too new into this to know how it will effect me. Or if I'm even right.

I agree about the hair oil. Definitely something one can reproduce way cheaper on their own, mixing oils is not hard. But everything else, I'm interested in trying.

Jurry is still out for me, and I wouldn't be tempted to buy if I hadn't gotten to try them first, but I did, and I want more of this for my hair.

[divinedobbie]

Sooo. I'm visiting Colorado for work and staying with a good friend, who is also a hair stylist, and she has a shampoo and conditioner from this line. I've used it twice. Ladies, I'm grudgingly impressed. I can't remember the last time I liked my hair so much from just shampoo and conditioner. It feels clean but moisturized. I can't stop touching it. Even when I use cones it's doesn't feel like this. And I really like it.

About the detox, my gut feeling is a lot of that is from traditional hair care product build up and the process of getting all that out with a non sls shampoo. But I'm way too new into this to know how it will effect me. Or if I'm even right.

I agree about the hair oil. Definitely something one can reproduce way cheaper on their own, mixing oils is not hard. But everything else, I'm interested in trying.

Jurry is still out for me, and I wouldn't be tempted to buy if I hadn't gotten to try them first, but I did, and I want more of this for my hair.

Uh oh. Don't tempt me now!! :cool:

I just saw a Facebook friend share another friend's post (she of course is a distributor) promoting the product and her hair did look great. I wish they would say what they were using before they started the Monat. I mean of course if you were using a terrible shampoo/condish in the first place and switched to a premium one there would be a big difference. I was curious if you were already using good products like most of us are whether this would just be another (albeit premium) one indifferent.

But now, Quisiquixotic, you have me curious.

[divinedobbie]

Oh my goodness. I just went on their website for a browse and one look at the prices sent me running. $63 for 178 ml of conditioner :thud: and not in a good way!!

[Synester]

Saw this thread, hopping on. I've been interested in Monate for some good amount of time now, but have never had the cash to put down for it. The youtube vloggers that rave about it get me going everytime. I have hairloss issues and ive heard it promotes new growth and people have seen good results. But what happens when you STOP using this product. Do you lose all that gained hair. Does your hair revert back to something awful. is it a permanent commitment. hard hitting questions i wonder about.

[Quasiquixotic]

Synester I don't have an answer for you there.

Crystawni, I was using a goat milk shampoo and conditioner from milk fancy on etsy, and Hask products before this.

I'm now day two since my last wash and I officially love my hair. I spent way too much money to get shampoo and conditioner and a ton of styling products and become a VIP. I'm so sold, it's not even funny.

[lapushka]

I think it's terribly expensive, and kind of "exploits" those that *need* a good product for hair loss (because that is a delicate topic). That much money is just too much for me to spend on just shampoo and conditioner, and for the amount you get - not worth it to me. I just can't afford it. Maybe if it were cheaper, I'd try the oil.

I know when I went through my hair loss and bald patches, my mom got me Bioscalin lotion (pharmacy) and a hair vitamin which wasn't cheap (Pilfood). You have to have something to hang onto - I was going through a hormonal shed at the time due to puberty. You itch to do something, but I don't get why it has to be that darned expensive. I'm sure there are plenty of cheaper alternatives to this.

Sidenote. Weren't they under investigation by the BBB?

[Quasiquixotic]

Ooh I didn't know that about the BBB. I shall look into it.

And yeah, it's expensive. There really isn't any excusing or getting around it.

Btw. I think you could mix something similar to that oil yourself.

[lapushka]

Ooh I didn't know that about the BBB. I shall look into it.

And yeah, it's expensive. There really isn't any excusing or getting around it.

Btw. I think you could mix something similar to that oil yourself.

Yeah there were rumors going about on YT about that! Like I said: rumors, so I don't know what's true or not.

About the oil, that seems to be the magical ingredient in many of the products, more present in one range than the other (the black range has a lot of it, I think).

I think I will stick to my singular oils (baby oil currently).

Thank goodness for me the issues are decades behind me. But I know how vulnerable it can make one feel. :flower:

[texasgal]

Thank you for all the research. I had been looking into the Monat and you are so correct I am very vulnerable about my thin hair and hair loss.

[Twig]

It seems to be the new "thing" among the women I work with. It's supposed to support healthy hair growth, change the condition of your hair, but wow, it's $$$! I haven't tried it yet, as my regimen seems to be working for me.

[Synester]

ive really wanted to try it if i had the $$$ but yet i have not. Ive heard amazing things. dozens of youtube testimonials. Ive heard theres a "purging" phase your hair goes through when you start using it and you shed very badly sometimes. But if you can get past it your hair will be amazing. So it claims...

[peachyleshy]

A customer gave me a sample of the volumising shampoo conditioner, and the serum. They were nice, but I don't think they're worth the money. I think you can find comparable products for less.
A girl at work now sells it. I don't see fabulous things happening to her hair. Another girl at work uses the oi) and shampoo. She says it helps her scalp which might have eczema or SB.
I still don't believe all the hype though. It's just irritating that so many people sell it...
Unless someone here used it and proved that it grew their hair super quickly! ��

[lapushka]

Yes a lot of YT testimonials, and they "happen" to also sell it. No way, I'm not trusting that at all. Besides if something is out of my budget range, I don't even go there. ;)

[Alex Lou]

Never trust multilevel marketing...

[ChloeDharma]

:agape: Nigh on $100 for 30ml (1 oz) of oil??? Are you bloody kidding me??? I looked at the ingredients and the mix doesn't seem worth that much for that little amount! No, I just couldn't justify spending that much when you can get excellent products at a much more reasonable price.

I didn't look at the other products because, well, after seeing the price of the oil I just thought "NO!!".

[ggallagher27]

I've read the thread - I'm just feeling so compelled to buy that dang Monat stuff. I see all the testimonials about how wonderful it is. For a few months I had myself convinced that I could create combo's and mix oils that would do just as great. The pictures of much less "fall" people have......make me want to cry. After todays washing, it felt like I had enough fallen hairs to create a poodle. I know it wasn't that much, I know it was only finger detangling. I know my hormones are kind of mess, heading into menopause.....but dang it, I too am desperate to try the magic potions. Any updates from those using it, as there is not much activity recently on this thread?

[ggallagher27]

I tried a single time sample, it really didn't seem to do anything, but my hair was super angry already. Any updates from those using it? I'm still feeling the pull to try it....

[Waffle]

My friend once gave me a product of theirs as a present.

[luvlonghair75]

Name sounded sooo familiar so I looked it up. A relative gave me a sample of lotion/oil once. I used and it was great! Too pricey for me, though.

[jennareid]

Monat is just another pyramid scheme. The reps often trick people into signing up for very expensive subscriptions which you then have to pay to cancel. They lie about "detoxing" your hair (you can just use a clarifying shampoo to remove build-up). They regularly Photoshop pictures including drastically changing the colour to lie about their toner, they don't offer refunds, and there have been many reports of people losing huge amounts of hair. It's extremely overpriced and yet another extremely predatory scam.

[ggallagher27]

Monat is just another pyramid scheme. The reps often trick people into signing up for very expensive subscriptions which you then have to pay to cancel. They lie about "detoxing" your hair (you can just use a clarifying shampoo to remove build-up). They regularly Photoshop pictures including drastically changing the colour to lie about their toner, they don't offer refunds, and there have been many reports of people losing huge amounts of hair. It's extremely overpriced and yet another extremely predatory scam.

Thank you - it is so hard to see all the photo's of inches grown, but I was needing reassurance that I knew better.

[lapushka]

Monat is just another pyramid scheme. The reps often trick people into signing up for very expensive subscriptions which you then have to pay to cancel. They lie about "detoxing" your hair (you can just use a clarifying shampoo to remove build-up). They regularly Photoshop pictures including drastically changing the colour to lie about their toner, they don't offer refunds, and there have been many reports of people losing huge amounts of hair. It's extremely overpriced and yet another extremely predatory scam.

I didn't want to say anything about how they do business... because the people representing the brand can be... tough.

And the subscriptions are out of this world insane and expensive.

I think they were even reported to the BBB (better business bureau).

[Saramarie]

old thread ive been redirected to, so im bumping it back, I suffered from AGA and lost a big portion of my hair, its been 3 years since that time and my hair had grown...but nothing of what it was before it ever happened. At the crown of my head is still thin and you can see my scalp. Is this product worth the hype? Does it really work. Ive heard some horror stories in the web of the "detox" phase and lots of shedding...i cant afford to shed any more than I already do. (i shed a lot) any more personal experience with this product would be helpful

Hey I was wondering if you've had the opportunity to try Monat?

Hey synester have you had the chance to try monat out?

Hey have you had the opportunity to try Monat?

[CalMom]

Hi all. I came across this thread and see tons of you still curious about Monat. I’m a spammer with them and have spam available for who ever wants to try them. I send these to you free of charge. Just let me know!

[CalMom]

I’ve been yawing Monat for a bit now and love it. So much that I decided to jump on board. I can get you all spam. Just let me know

[CalMom]

I’ve been yawing Monat for a bit now and love it. So much that I decided to jump on board. I can get you all Spam if you’re curious. Just let me know

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[Synester]

I wish there was more research on it and non biased testimonials from people who SELL it. because All I hear are good things despite the hefty price tag. makes me really want to try it. But it is supposed to make your hair amazing and then what? what happens when you stop using it. it reverts back to being unmanageable again or worse than before? So u have to keep buying their products forever..nah im good.

[lapushka]

I think it's all just marketing. I just don't have the budget for it, and I think it's insane to spend that much on hair care; that is basically the end of it for me - easy. :) ;)

[C_Bookworm]

I think it's all just marketing. I just don't have the budget for it, and I think it's insane to spend that much on hair care; that is basically the end of it for me - easy. :) ;)
Absolutely agree they’re really working the marketing angle. You see people doing things like tipping their head forward in the ‘before’ picture and backwards in the ‘after’ picture, or using a straightener for the ‘after’ picture.

And there have been reports of people’s credit cards getting set up on a subscription and having a terrible time getting it cancelled. Another good reason to stay away from MLMs.

Just one example: https://www.bbb.org/south-east-florida/pages/business-reviews/skin-care/monat-global-in-doral-fl-90137286/reviews-and-complaints?noskin&clean

[lapushka]

Yes the before/after pictures you oft see on YT don't persuade me *at all*. I often think, WTH progress am I looking at, exactly? I often find there is none. Yes, normal growth within that month.

[jera]

I wouldn't use any product that could cause a major shed as part of the "Healing process". Too much of a coward for that.

[T0n1c]

No personal experience, but I just read an article on Buzzfeed (will put link at bottom) that talks about some really nasty side-effects some folks are having when using this.
I remembered this post when reading, and wanted to share because this is some scary stuff and I don't want any of my LHC friends to have this happen!
Again - no personal experience, not sure how much truth there is, but the info is scary.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniemcneal/monat?utm_term=.dd9pRWW36#.dlz3LkkW4

[jera]

No personal experience, but I just read an article on Buzzfeed (will put link at bottom) that talks about some really nasty side-effects some folks are having when using this.
I remembered this post when reading, and wanted to share because this is some scary stuff and I don't want any of my LHC friends to have this happen!
Again - no personal experience, not sure how much truth there is, but the info is scary.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniemcneal/monat?utm_term=.dd9pRWW36#.dlz3LkkW4

Those scalp sores looked nasty. Scabbing can cause scarring of the hair follicle if it's bad enough. Why does detox have to make you worse to make you better? Sounds similar to Phylia de M which I never tried either for much the same reason.

[jennareid]

Monat is currently suing (https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/stephaniemcneal/monat) the owner of a Facebook group that exposed the damage their products have done to hundreds of people. There are tons of stories in the comments from people who've had their hair destroyed by them. Stay away from Monat!