Vegan/CF chelating shampoo?

[Amenahh]

Hi all

I was wondering if anyone knew any chelating shampoo suitable for vegans.
I live in the UK, the water is hard, and I was thinking of trying chelating.

Thanks!

[littlestarface]

Chelating is good, youll like it. I have hard water here and the first time I chelated it was like brand new hair :D It's a shame I dont know of any UK stuff but joico works great if you have that brand there.

[Amenahh]

Chelating is good, youll like it. I have hard water here and the first time I chelated it was like brand new hair :D It's a shame I dont know of any UK stuff but joico works great if you have that brand there.

I found Joico K-Pak Chelating shampoo on Amazon, but it's 80 pounds, what on earth? lol! shudder:

And there is also one for swimmers which is 30. Is that it? Still extremely expensive

[littlestarface]

I found Joico K-Pak Chelating shampoo on Amazon, but it's 80 pounds, what on earth? lol! shudder:

And there is also one for swimmers which is 30. Is that it? Still extremely expensive

Oh my god! Thats outrages. Yea I think the swimmer one is chelating too but still thats alot of money. Hopefully someone from UK can say which one they use cuz thats alot of moolah.

[Anje]

There's got to be a chain of beauty/salon supply stores in the UK. See if they have any chelating products, or shampoos that are meant to be used before doing chemical processes (because minerals especially including copper can interfere with processing or cause more damage, so chelating is often an important preparation step). Failing that, I know Ion makes little packets of powder which are good for removing mineral buildup. You'd have the advantage of not paying shipping on water, at least.
http://www.sallybeauty.com/crystal-clarifying-treatment/SBS-302208,default,pd.html

Looking around, I'm seeing more available from the brand Malibu C. One's called "Malibu C crystal gel", another is "Malibu C hard water".
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MALIBU-2000-CRYSTAL-GEL-HAIR-TREATMENT-PROFESSIONAL-NORMALIZER-PACKS-FRESH-/111592262522?hash=item19fb6acb7a:g:~JUAAOSw-W5U08Vr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Package-of-Malibu-C-Hard-Water-Demineralizer-Treatments-3-Pack-Going-Fast-/111888836925?hash=item1a0d18293d:g:JxwAAOSwv0tU5Ko G

If all else fails, a short soak and rinse with a not-too-strong solution of citric acid and ascorbic acid (like Miracle Water but perhaps a bit more concentrated, preferably made with distilled water) should do a pretty good job of chelating for you. It's not disodium EDTA, but it'll help.

ETA: These things are often marked "clarifying", but they specifically note that they deal with mineral or hard water buildup. Look for ingredients like disodium EDTA (high up), citric acid, ascorbic acid, and sodium gluconate. :D

[LongCurlyTress]

So.... please...could someone explain the difference between chelating and clarifying? Thanks!! :)

[littlestarface]

So.... please...could someone explain the difference between chelating and clarifying? Thanks!! :)

Chelating removes everything from hair including minerals, stuff found in our water. Clarifying only removes product build up from conditioners to hairsprays etc.

[LongCurlyTress]

Chelating removes everything from hair including minerals, stuff found in our water. Clarifying only removes product build up from conditioners to hairsprays etc.

Thank you littlestarface!!! Do you know names of products used for each process? Seems that chelating is more severe cleaning (ie damaging) than clarifying? Ugh... both seem so scary to me.... Thanks!

[littlestarface]

Thank you littlestarface!!! Do you know names of products used for each process? Seems that chelating is more severe cleaning (ie damaging) than clarifying? Ugh... both seem so scary to me.... Thanks!

Chelating (joico chelating shampoo now called clarifying but still chelates, redkin chelating,ion packets and theres lots of them to choose from especially from sallys) you only do like once a month if its needed and you have very hard water cuz its very stripping. You definitely need to do a heavy moisturizing session afterwards cuz you need to put something back in your hair. I do honey and nice conditioner in those little packets by hask and a heat cap to make it all soak in cuz I have non porous hair. My hair is super wurly afterwards and so light and silky.

Its good for me right before a henna, that way my hair is clean and nothing interferes with the dye uptake.

Clarifying (can be with pantene neutrogena as long as it says clarifying on the bottle) is good if you just use stuff with cones and your hair feels coated, then use regular conditioner.

[LongCurlyTress]

Chelating you only do like once a month if its needed and you have very hard water cuz its very stripping. You definitely need to do a heavy moisturizing session afterwards cuz you need to put something back in your hair. I do honey and nice conditioner in those little packets by hask and a heat cap to make it all soak in cuz I have non porous hair. My hair is super wurly afterwards and so light and silky.

Its good for me right before a henna, that way my hair is clean and nothing interferes with the dye uptake.

Thank you!! What do you use for chelating? a shampoo with SLS? :)

[littlestarface]

Thank you!! What do you use for chelating? a shampoo with SLS? :)

No, but its good for clarifying just make sure theres no cones in it.

I updated the post above. Anje put good links too.

[lapushka]

No, but its good for clarifying just make sure theres no cones in it.

I updated the post above. Anje put good links too.

Yes for chelating you actually need special shampoo; not so for clarifying, any shampoo without silicones but with sulfates should do.

[LongCurlyTress]

Thank you all so much for this info!!!! I can see alot of hard water deposits on my glassware.. so I guess... that is also coating my hair..ugh... KK guess I gotta do what I gotta do!! Thanks everyone for your help!!! ;) As I run off to Sally's... :blushing: Sorry for getting a bit off topic, OP!!

[Anje]

"Chelating" is a word that refers to how certain metal ions are dissolved and removed, in this case from hair. It requires specific ingredients, more than just sulfates. Sodium gluconate, disodium EDTA, citric acid, and ascorbic acid/vitamin C decent chelators and generally found in combination in a product that chelates.

And no, not all products that are chelating are labeled explicitly as that. That'd make life too easy, right?

[Lavendersugar]

Can you get Kenra? I'm not sure of its vegan. They make a shampoo that is labeled clarifying but it's chleating.
I get mine from Amazon.

Having iPad issues for copy pasting. http://www.ulta.com/ulta/browse/productDetail.jsp?productId=xlsImpprod6370145
ingredients found there


I've tried lots and this one really works well with our hard water. I don't typically use stuff with protein but had no issues with this since I only use it once weekly or less.

[andrea1982]

My favorite clarfying/ chelating shampoo is a/g renew. I have very hard water and it works very well. I use it whenever my ends start getting grabby and it feels like I need a trim, and my hair feels much better afterwards. I don't see honey or anything on the ingredients list, or silk, but not sure what else to look for to see if it is vegan.

[Amenahh]

Thanks Anje, Lavendersugar and andrea1982, I'll look into these :)