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Agnes Hannah
March 15th, 2016, 02:00 PM
Ok, I am in TB territory now, just a month or so should do it. But I am worrying about my ends. So far I have a couple of racer hairs that are leading the way, but they may have to be trimmed soon. They are in a party of fine fairytale ends. I have been oiling them now at every wash, and braiding at night using a silk sleep cap. I am getting anxious about the damage that those delicate ends may be getting. At the moment I wear my hair up daily in a protective style, then let it down at night before braiding. The braids are unfinished.

I would like to know if there is a better way of protecting these ends that I may not be aware of. How do you look after your longest hairs, do you comb them for example. What styles do you prefer to wear at these longer lengths? How do you reduce manipulation and friction? What oils, leave ins etc you you use.

Thanks!

Anje
March 15th, 2016, 02:36 PM
I'm in the classic+ range now, after ages of maintaining at tailbone. I don't really do anything terribly special other than gentle combing. I oil the ends sometimes after a shower, but not really consistently. Buns with the ends tucked in are certainly the most protective style for me, but I wear a lot of braids too. (I drive a lot, and braids are way more comfortable in the car.) Right now, my braid is just pulled over my shoulder, actually resting on my desk. It's easy to keep an eye on it, make sure it doesn't get caught on anything, if I keep it over my shoulder. At night I normally sleep in a satin bonnet, sometimes with it loose and sometimes braided. I prefer loose because it doesn't seem to make a difference with tangles and it's less lumpy.

meteor
March 15th, 2016, 02:41 PM
Congratulations on reaching TB, Agnes Hannah! :joy:

You asked a lot of really good questions on length protection. I'll try to break things down a bit in my answer:

1. Protective styles: anything that's low-manipulation, comfy for you and relatively compact and doesn't need many tools. For daily styling, I avoid styles that require twisting and ponytailing.
At tailbone, I wore (braided) LWB almost every day. At some point (closer to classic maybe?), when the center/base of the LWB started getting heavy, too bulbous, I started moving to 2-loop LWB-like structures: Spidermom's bun (double-loop bun), L-Infinity, Chameleon bun.

2. Styles for sleep: I've always gone to bed with braid (at longer lengths - unsecured), but I started simply taking out a stick from my daily braided bun and sleeping with that coiled/unsecured bun, placed a bit above my pillow, so I can still roll around without getting hair under me. Though it does loosen up at night, most of the time, I still wake up with hair relatively intact. I use a silky scarf. You could just place a silky scarf above the pillow (or in the groove between headboard an mattress) and place your hair there, if you prefer sleeping with hair loose but want to avoid tangling from movement.

3. Avoiding over-washing and over-manipulation: I try to keep styles simple; I only use fingers and a wide-tooth comb (and only when needed) and I don't brush. Keeping hair from tangling in the first place (by braiding and bunning it) becomes more and more important with growing length, I find.
I do scalp-only washes between full washes (with length braided and bunned under a plastic shower cap) to give my length a break from wet manipulation and save on drying time. I swear by scalp-only washes as a great hack for reducing mechanical damage, hygral fatigue and all that handling effort & time on longer hair.

4. Keeping ends moisturized: If the ends feel dry, I oil them from time to time or do a mini-LOC on an ad-hoc basis: spray some water (or run wet hands over length), spread a dollop of conditioner and a couple drops of oil on the ends. Conditioners with great slip (cones) can be very helpful.

lapushka
March 15th, 2016, 03:18 PM
I have a layered cut, V, so there's a tiny cluster of clumps that are the longest. I have to admit, I don't do anything special at all. But if it's just a few hairs, then it's tough to really protect them, I think.

Sarahlabyrinth
March 15th, 2016, 03:21 PM
I'm in the classic+ range now, after ages of maintaining at tailbone. I don't really do anything terribly special other than gentle combing. I oil the ends sometimes after a shower, but not really consistently. Buns with the ends tucked in are certainly the most protective style for me, but I wear a lot of braids too. (I drive a lot, and braids are way more comfortable in the car.) Right now, my braid is just pulled over my shoulder, actually resting on my desk. It's easy to keep an eye on it, make sure it doesn't get caught on anything, if I keep it over my shoulder. At night I normally sleep in a satin bonnet, sometimes with it loose and sometimes braided. I prefer loose because it doesn't seem to make a difference with tangles and it's less lumpy.

Apart from the braiding, this is what I do too.

BrookeDavis
March 15th, 2016, 05:19 PM
I'm in the classic+ range now, after ages of maintaining at tailbone. I don't really do anything terribly special other than gentle combing. I oil the ends sometimes after a shower, but not really consistently. Buns with the ends tucked in are certainly the most protective style for me, but I wear a lot of braids too. (I drive a lot, and braids are way more comfortable in the car.) Right now, my braid is just pulled over my shoulder, actually resting on my desk. It's easy to keep an eye on it, make sure it doesn't get caught on anything, if I keep it over my shoulder. At night I normally sleep in a satin bonnet, sometimes with it loose and sometimes braided. I prefer loose because it doesn't seem to make a difference with tangles and it's less lumpy.

I drive a lot too, and driving with my hair bunned ( TBL ) is not an option - the bun is too big and gets in the way. What kind of braid/braids do you do for driving?

Anje
March 15th, 2016, 08:40 PM
Just a basic (aka English) braid pulled over the shoulder, normally. Sometimes I'll French braid it. I love Dutch braids on folks with thicker hair than me, but they emphasize that mine is a little thin. (Might be better now, actually. After years of being in the 2 inch circumference range, something changed and I got up to 3 inches!) Whatever I do, I pull the thing over my shoulder and let it ride in my lap.

Next car I buy, I'll look for headrests that don't protrude forward to bonk my bun like those in my 08 Civic do!

BrookeDavis
March 16th, 2016, 09:16 AM
Just a basic (aka English) braid pulled over the shoulder, normally. Sometimes I'll French braid it. I love Dutch braids on folks with thicker hair than me, but they emphasize that mine is a little thin. (Might be better now, actually. After years of being in the 2 inch circumference range, something changed and I got up to 3 inches!) Whatever I do, I pull the thing over my shoulder and let it ride in my lap.

Next car I buy, I'll look for headrests that don't protrude forward to bonk my bun like those in my 08 Civic do!

Yes! I will too, but it's going to be hard. I drive a different car everyday ( we have lots of cars where I work ) and in 95% of them ( if you have a bun, or a ponytail ) the headrest makes you lean forward, then your neck hurts and it's uncomfortable... Maybe someone makes customized headrests for long haired people? :) I need to look into that!
I wish my hair was long enough to make a braided nautilus :justy: So I could just bun it when getting out of the car, unbun ( is that a word ? :) ) when getting back in. Well, maybe at classic... Who knows :)

meteor
March 16th, 2016, 09:25 AM
Yes! I will too, but it's going to be hard. I drive a different car everyday ( we have lots of cars where I work ) and in 95% of them ( if you have a bun, or a ponytail ) the headrest makes you lean forward, then your neck hurts and it's uncomfortable... Maybe someone makes customized headrests for long haired people? :) I need to look into that!
I wish my hair was long enough to make a braided nautilus :justy: So I could just bun it when getting out of the car, unbun ( is that a word ? :) ) when getting back in. Well, maybe at classic... Who knows :)

Why not do a braided cinnabun then? :) Or a braided Tuck, a braided Knot bun, braided LWB or braided Disc Bun (from 2 braids) - whatever works on your length! ;)

I think I would actually recommend a side braid or all sorts of 2 braid- or 2 bun- solutions for driving: so pigtail braids, coronet braids, heidi/milkmaid braids, side buns, etc or a high bun - to move the bulk of hair to sides and/or top of head and away from headrest.

BrookeDavis
March 16th, 2016, 01:03 PM
Why not do a braided cinnabun then? :) Or a braided Tuck, a braided Knot bun, braided LWB or braided Disc Bun (from 2 braids) - whatever works on your length! ;)

I think I would actually recommend a side braid or all sorts of 2 braid- or 2 bun- solutions for driving: so pigtail braids, coronet braids, heidi/milkmaid braids, side buns, etc or a high bun - to move the bulk of hair to sides and/or top of head and away from headrest.

Yeah... That might work! I need to practice though, I've never done a braided bun before :)

Kendrix
March 16th, 2016, 01:33 PM
I am just past TBL and it was only recently that my hemline was evened up. For me, the trick is fastening braids without a ponytail holder. I pin them up or tuck them under the bun because I worry about putting a hairband on that fragile hair. I don't oil my length really, usually only the tassel at the end of the braid.

Bubble_Curl
March 17th, 2016, 12:21 PM
Why not do a braided cinnabun then? :) Or a braided Tuck, a braided Knot bun, braided LWB or braided Disc Bun (from 2 braids) - whatever works on your length! ;)

I think I would actually recommend a side braid or all sorts of 2 braid- or 2 bun- solutions for driving: so pigtail braids, coronet braids, heidi/milkmaid braids, side buns, etc or a high bun - to move the bulk of hair to sides and/or top of head and away from headrest.

Hmmmm... which ones are the Tuck and knot bun??? :D

meteor
March 17th, 2016, 06:48 PM
Hmmmm... which ones are the Tuck and knot bun??? :D

Some Knots:
Knot Bun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiGTXkUhFKE (just start with a braid instead of loose hair like in the video)
Braided Knot (with 2 braids, a bit like Horseshoe Braids): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDtu1gW1dvQ (this one gets difficult at TB though - it's easier on shorter hair)
Celtic Knot Bun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oTWCYj6ulE also easy to do, but requires a bit more length than Knot Bun (the same as Knot Bun, but don't pull the end completely through, leave a loop instead, before wrapping ends around)

Some Braided Tucks:
French Braid Tuck (a bit like a crown/coronet braid): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X7w2lbskBs or http://www.princesshairstyles.com/2015/11/french-braid-tuck-holiday-updo-tutorial.html
The Masara: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND5dJXnBs2k
French Tuck: http://www.tamingrapunzel.com/2015/12/french-tuck.html
Late Victorian Triple Braided Tuck: https://locksofelegance.wordpress.com/2013/04/04/late-victorian-triple-braided-tuck/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMvOt7STwPo

I also think this braided bun is really easy to do at this length and convenient for that driving/headrest situation, since you can always take the stick out and leave the braid hanging and then re-bun, if needed:
Pinless Braided Bun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrlkGLzboHE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iu2yQJdtls (simplified variation)

Bubble_Curl
March 18th, 2016, 01:41 PM
Oh, my! Thank you, meteor! These are lovely and I am really looking forward to adding many of these to my regular go-to styles! Stylish and great protection value! I can see why you mentioned them :o

meteor
March 18th, 2016, 05:35 PM
^ I'm so happy you like them! :D I hope some of them will work for you, Bubble_Curl! :D
I should mention though that things that involve tucking and knotting, passing ends through "loops" or "pockets" in hair (like Knots, the Masara or the Ellingwoman braided bun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_biroGTJ7A) or this similar updo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9W-kbWPSfQ) have some potential for snapping strands as the hair is getting tucked... - so be careful! ;)

But braided buns like
- Braided LWB (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DKLqSQWZos),
- Braided Nautilus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VaypM-4PFY),
- Braided L-Infinity (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fzn4gNWIVQ),
- Braided Spidermom's (double-loop) Bun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCvC_MU0To8) or
- Braided Cinnabun are a lot less likely to cause this problem and they involve less manipulation. :flower:

Bubble_Curl
March 19th, 2016, 01:34 PM
I will definitely keep that in mind, thanks meteor! I will be sure and carefully style my hair when there's tucking, knotting, and passing ends into little other pockets or loops.

Here is the French Braided Tuck!
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff100/sallyn_album/Mobile%20Uploads/image_9.jpeg

meteor
March 19th, 2016, 02:41 PM
^ Wow! It looks stunning, Bubble_Curl! :applause What a gorgeous look! :thumbsup:

Bubble_Curl
March 19th, 2016, 03:07 PM
:D :D :D :D :D Thanks so much! I'm loving how elegant it looks with such simple instructions!

Gaelic Girl
March 19th, 2016, 03:11 PM
Congratulations, Agnes Hannah! I find that this is the first length where you actually 'feel' like a longhair. I oil the ends at night, spray with water and conditioner daily, use a satin pillow and braid at night, and my favourite style is the rope bun. So easy and keeps things neat. I don't ever use elastics, but just tuck the ends in and use either a large fork or sticks and no need for damaging elastics.

Good luck! I had to trim the few super long hairs at Christmas, which killed me,...but my hem looked SO much better..and now it looks so even 2 months later and seems to be growing all at once...so very happy in the end that I did it.

Bubble_Curl that style and colour of fork are stunning on you!

Thanks meteor for all the styles..off to youtube! :disco::disco::disco:

Bubble_Curl
March 20th, 2016, 10:36 AM
Congratulations, Agnes Hannah! I find that this is the first length where you actually 'feel' like a longhair. I oil the ends at night, spray with water and conditioner daily, use a satin pillow and braid at night, and my favourite style is the rope bun. So easy and keeps things neat. I don't ever use elastics, but just tuck the ends in and use either a large fork or sticks and no need for damaging elastics.

Good luck! I had to trim the few super long hairs at Christmas, which killed me,...but my hem looked SO much better..and now it looks so even 2 months later and seems to be growing all at once...so very happy in the end that I did it.

Bubble_Curl that style and colour of fork are stunning on you!

Thanks meteor for all the styles..off to youtube! :disco::disco::disco:

Thank you, Gaelic Girl! I love your siggy updo and the matching earrings and hair toy <3 :o:blossom:

Agnes Hannah
March 21st, 2016, 01:35 PM
Thanks Meteor and Gaelic Girl for your advice. I have it in a Jamie Leigh today, which I put in yesterday and slept in it inside my silk sleep cap of course. :bow: I scalp washed it this morning in the shower, and the Jamie Leigh still looked good enough to go to work in. Indeed I was complemented on my do.:joy:

I'm going to try and keep it braided for a few days now with the scalp washes to see how I get on. If this works, I may have found a new routine and a solution to my fine chaser hair issue. I don't want to cut them off really, and I have began to spray them with tangle free spray and oiling them, and letting them grow more!!

meteor
March 21st, 2016, 02:27 PM
Thank you, Gaelic Girl! I love your siggy updo and the matching earrings and hair toy <3 :o:blossom:

Oh yes! I'm a huge fan of that siggy updo, too! :agree: Gaelic Girl, what is it? Is it a Braided Cinnabun or something else? :D


Thanks Meteor and Gaelic Girl for your advice. I have it in a Jamie Leigh today, which I put in yesterday and slept in it inside my silk sleep cap of course. :bow: I scalp washed it this morning in the shower, and the Jamie Leigh still looked good enough to go to work in. Indeed I was complemented on my do.:joy:

I'm going to try and keep it braided for a few days now with the scalp washes to see how I get on. If this works, I may have found a new routine and a solution to my fine chaser hair issue. I don't want to cut them off really, and I have began to spray them with tangle free spray and oiling them, and letting them grow more!!

Awesome! :D I think keeping the braid in for a couple days is a great way to reduce manipulation for fine strands. And scalp washes help a lot in that respect, too! :agree:
I'm so happy you found a cool hairstyle that works! Yay! :joy: