Riiiiight

[W2]

Went to a store, that sells stuff for hair, elastic and cheap plastic stuff - to buy gifts for DD's friends
I had my hair lose, but under a knit buff, so you couldn't see the length. The salesgirl claimed, that she had to use some specific kind of elastic, cause her hair was rather long ... it was max ap ... mine is around waist :wigtongue

[meteor]

The salesgirl claimed, that she had to use some specific kind of elastic, cause her hair was rather long ...

Hmm, I wonder what kind of elastic that was? I really miss being able to use elastics sometimes, but I can't think of many long-hair-friendly ones, except maybe silk scrunchies or bungees or hair bobbles, maybe ...?

[W2]

Hmm, I wonder what kind of elastic that was? I really miss being able to use elastics sometimes, but I can't think of many long-hair-friendly ones, except maybe silk scrunchies or bungees or hair bobbles, maybe ...?

They look like these

https://www.matas.dk/senze-frotte-elastik-brun

[meteor]

^ Oh yes, those look really good! :) Thank you, W2! :blossom:

[pailin]

I use some that LOOK like that, but in bright colors. They're soft and don't pull. But I only use them to tie off braids; I feel like they might not take the weight of a ponytail well.

[velvet orchid]

well I suppose it wouldn't hold the hair of most girls on here, but as she was APL it probably doesn't have enough weight to matter. No clue why they are "special" though?

[W2]

well I suppose it wouldn't hold the hair of most girls on here, but as she was APL it probably doesn't have enough weight to matter. No clue why they are "special" though?

Special cause they are bigger? I don't know - got a bit distracted, when she claimed to have long hair ;)

[Llama]

You started a thread to make fun of someone for saying she has long hair...because your hair is longer than hers?

[Ethelpea]

You started a thread to make fun of someone for saying she has long hair...because your hair is longer than hers?

I thought the same thing. To me, at currently cbl, apl is very long. Perhaps she worked a long time growing it out.

[meteor]

Yes, I think after a certain length high ponytails can become very, very difficult, but elastics are very useful for tying off braids. :)

By the way, there are a few good ways of creating a ponytail-ish look without doing an actual ponytail, e.g.:

- Lazy Wrap Ponytail by Sarahlabyrinth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umz6pNWk9oQ; http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=129368

- Comet Bun (Knot bun with tail left out): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5w2yMI0eEI (torrinpaige)

- Victorian Side bun-pony by kmemuse inspired by the Prestige: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFTXQzIY-Ms

- Starting with the first twist of the Pha Bun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsF9Kp5W9Ig), pin the first twist down and leave the tail hanging

- Style by ladollyvita333, inspired by GoT, where 2 small braids are crossed over and then under the section in the back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qo69nnsnAA

- etc, etc...

[Groovy Granny]

You started a thread to make fun of someone for saying she has long hair...because your hair is longer than hers?


I thought the same thing. To me, at currently cbl, apl is very long. Perhaps she worked a long time growing it out.

Agreed :hmm:

Sounds like she is well on her way to longer lengths and very conscious of the need for hair safe ties.

It takes me back to when my hair first felt long

I hope she gets encouragement...maybe she will even find her way to LHC :)

[lapushka]

Agreed :hmm:

Sounds like she is well on her way to longer lengths and very conscious of the need for hair safe ties.

It takes me back to when my hair first felt long

I hope she gets encouragement...maybe she will even find her way to LHC :)

Yes to me it was a little odd as well, to the point where I didn't know quite how to respond to the thread and OP. :o
Maybe APL to her *is* long. I remember a period in my life where APL felt like I had very long hair!

[Groovy Granny]

Yes to me it was a little odd as well, to the point where I didn't know quite how to respond to the thread and OP. :o
Maybe APL to her *is* long. I remember a period in my life where APL felt like I had very long hair!

Same here ....heck...even collar felt LONG lol

[meteor]

....heck...even collar felt LONG lol

^ Oh yes :agree: , I agree. And to me, it's a matter of perception and what one is used to in terms of length. :) And if the hair is bunnable, braid-able or ponytail-able (yes, those are words now! :p), it's already long to me. :)

There are lots of ways of doing ponytails (or ponytail-inspired looks) even on hair that's too heavy for them now. I totally forgot to add the sectioned ponytail to my list up-thread - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRJKAKxhV7I - those can be done on shorter lengths, too,
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-cGBYAt2Fw - these ones create a perkier look on hair that is heavy and tends to drag styles down and they can be done a bit higher up.

[Groovy Granny]

^ Oh yes :agree: , I agree. And to me, it's a matter of perception and what one is used to in terms of length. :) And if the hair is bunnable, braid-able or ponytail-able (yes, those are words now! :p), it's already long to me. :)

There are lots of ways of doing ponytails (or ponytail-inspired looks) even on hair that's too heavy for them now. I totally forgot to add the sectioned ponytail to my list up-thread - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRJKAKxhV7I - those can be done on shorter lengths, too,
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-cGBYAt2Fw - these ones create a perkier look on hair that is heavy and tends to drag styles down and they can be done a bit higher up.

LOL

Between you and Arctic....bless your dear hearts for all the inspiration and info you give so freely; it makes the journey so enjoyable :flowers:

[meteor]

^ You are too kind, Groovy Granny! :smooch: Thank you very much! :flowers:
And by the way, I adore your new avatar! (Sorry, don't know where else to say it :oops:) Your hair has always looked amazing, but it's getting even more and more stunning!! And wow that's massive growth! :bigeyes:

[lapushka]

^ You are too kind, Groovy Granny! :smooch: Thank you very much! :flowers:
And by the way, I adore your new avatar! (Sorry, don't know where else to say it :oops:) Your hair has always looked amazing, but it's getting even more and more stunning!! And wow that's massive growth! :bigeyes:

Yes, look at your avatar! OMGosh! I'm sorry to hear you've been unwell lately, but I hope you're on the mend. :flower:

[Groovy Granny]

^ You are too kind, Groovy Granny! :smooch: Thank you very much! :flowers:
And by the way, I adore your new avatar! (Sorry, don't know where else to say it :oops:) Your hair has always looked amazing, but it's getting even more and more stunning!! And wow that's massive growth! :bigeyes:

Thank you :flowers:

Reflecting on the past 3 years growing it out from chin....I am amazed LOL
I had a hard time envisioning my hair this length at my age, so I am very happy :happydance:

[Groovy Granny]

Yes, look at your avatar! OMGosh! I'm sorry to hear you've been unwell lately, but I hope you're on the mend. :flower:

LOL Thanks Lapushka (((Hugs)))

Yes I am much better now :thumbsup:

[lapis_lazuli]

Yes to me it was a little odd as well, to the point where I didn't know quite how to respond to the thread and OP. :o

Same here... I didn't know what to say. Perhaps she is growing her hair out, and as you said, GG, maybe she will find her way to LHC at some point. We never know. :hmm:

[rhosyn_du]

By the way, there are a few good ways of creating a ponytail-ish look without doing an actual ponytail, e.g.

Another one I really liked when my hair was past classic is a Nautilus ponytail, where you start a Nautilus bun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b86ZH0J7xtE), but let the ends hang instead of of wrapping them. You can do this one upside-down, too (might take a little practice), so that the pony comes out the top of the bun and cascades over it, which gives a sort of retro high ponytail look.

[vpatt]

My hair is just at APL now and I ordered the Oomphtastic Scrunchy from Wrapunzel. I really like it because I can get a bunlike look that is larger than my puny bun due to the hugeness of the scrunchy. It is covered in velvet.

[velvet orchid]

ah vpatt that looks lovely I'm not sure how you'd use it though, does it act as a bun former to make a sock bun?

[Groovy Granny]

My hair is just at APL now and I ordered the Oomphtastic Scrunchy from Wrapunzel. I really like it because I can get a bunlike look that is larger than my puny bun due to the hugeness of the scrunchy. It is covered in velvet.
Sounds lovely :)

ah vpatt that looks lovely I'm not sure how you'd use it though, does it act as a bun former to make a sock bun?

Hope you post a pic :popcorn:

[velvet orchid]

ooh yes pics pretty please :agree:

[Arctic]

LOL

Between you and Arctic....bless your dear hearts for all the inspiration and info you give so freely; it makes the journey so enjoyable :flowers:

Aww thank you, that was sweet thing to say :puppykisses:

[Groovy Granny]

Aww thank you, that was sweet thing to say :puppykisses:

Glad you caught that :)

[vpatt]

I just wrap it two or three times like for a pony tail but don't pull the 'tail' all the way thru the last time. There is probably a name for that. But I like how it looks like I have more hair. I really don't know how it would do for longer hair. I think the ladies on the Wrapunzel site probably use it to make more padding under their wraps. Sorry I don't know to post pics. I mean you can tell it's a scrunchy but it still enhances my bun if that makes sense.

Well, it's not really a bun.

[restless]

I just have to say- meteor you are awesome :blossom: I could see this thread going downhill in slowmo with the potential short hair bashing there, but you just come in here and be like "Here, have some more links, guys! :)" and everything gets better.

[Groovy Granny]

I just wrap it two or three times like for a pony tail but don't pull the 'tail' all the way thru the last time. There is probably a name for that. But I like how it looks like I have more hair. I really don't know how it would do for longer hair. I think the ladies on the Wrapunzel site probably use it to make more padding under their wraps. Sorry I don't know to post pics. I mean you can tell it's a scrunchy but it still enhances my bun if that makes sense.

Well, it's not really a bun.

Oh I get you....and yes I think it is..... but my brain is tired right now, and I cannot for the life of me think of the name lol

To post pics, you can upload them to an album here that you can create.
Each pic has a code you copy/paste into a post.
If you need any help just yell :)

[HeartofHaleth]

*bustles off to try the comet bun*
Lazy wrap ponytails are great, but I don't love how much thickness I lose.

[meteor]

I just have to say- meteor you are awesome :blossom: I could see this thread going downhill in slowmo with the potential short hair bashing there, but you just come in here and be like "Here, have some more links, guys! :)" and everything gets better.

Well, thank you :heartbeat: I wish I could claim ninja diversion skills there, but I think I simply might not get everything posted (English isn't my mother tongue), but hey, did somebody just say "Ponytail"? :lol: Are there problems with ponytails and pony holders? Well, there's an app for that! :p


Another one I really liked when my hair was past classic is a Nautilus ponytail, where you start a Nautilus bun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b86ZH0J7xtE), but let the ends hang instead of of wrapping them. You can do this one upside-down, too (might take a little practice), so that the pony comes out the top of the bun and cascades over it, which gives a sort of retro high ponytail look.

Oh that's really clever! :thumbsup: Thanks a lot for sharing, rhosyn_du! I'll need to try this some day! I might not have enough length yet, since it requires a whole tail left after a whole nautilus bun, but it's definitely worth experimenting with ... :)

I have a feeling that it's possible that quite a few buns should be able to create that sort of "comet bun" look, with enough length maybe? :hmm: Cinnabun, Pha Bun, Figure 8/Infinity, Knot Bun, Celtic Knot bun... Hmm, lots of ideas to experiment with! :)


My hair is just at APL now and I ordered the Oomphtastic Scrunchy from Wrapunzel. I really like it because I can get a bunlike look that is larger than my puny bun due to the hugeness of the scrunchy. It is covered in velvet.

^ That's pretty cool! And they have a nice website with all those tichel wrapping ideas! I think the velvet covering is pretty smart: it will probably prevent slippage while staying soft and hair-friendly.

I also know some folks get hair gloves to protect the length, and they seem really good, too, but I have no personal experience with those.


*bustles off to try the comet bun*
Lazy wrap ponytails are great, but I don't love how much thickness I lose.

I hope it works, HeartofHaleth! If it doesn't work yet (it does eat up lots of length), then it should work in a half-up comet bun, or maybe from the first Pha Bun twist pinned down with a stick and the tail left hanging. I hope it works out! :cheer:

[HeartofHaleth]

I've tried the knot bun, and I do have at least a little bit of tail... It may look silly, though, due to its shortness!

[MidnightMoon]

Um... again, what's the point of this topic? :confused:

[spidermom]

Um... again, what's the point of this topic? :confused:

Same. I don't know if it was a dig at the sales person for referring to her hair as long or the use of the word "special" to describe the hair-ties.

[MsPharaohMoan]

I just have to say- meteor you are awesome :blossom: I could see this thread going downhill in slowmo with the potential short hair bashing there, but you just come in here and be like "Here, have some more links, guys! :)" and everything gets better.

lol right? Unrest starts happening and meteor starts throwing links to quell the hivemind :lol:

[diddiedaisy]

I just wrap it two or three times like for a pony tail but don't pull the 'tail' all the way thru the last time. There is probably a name for that. But I like how it looks like I have more hair. I really don't know how it would do for longer hair. I think the ladies on the Wrapunzel site probably use it to make more padding under their wraps. Sorry I don't know to post pics. I mean you can tell it's a scrunchy but it still enhances my bun if that makes sense.

Well, it's not really a bun.

It's a looped pony. This used to be my go to, I'd put it high on the crown and could make it look like a big bun. I loved it but it turned out to be too damaging for my fragile hair.
It would snap my ends and the bit near my crown, no matter what hair bands I used :(

I've been band free now since September and it's made a massive difference to my hair, but I do miss my fave updo.

[Arctic]

It's a looped pony. This used to be my go to, I'd put it high on the crown and could make it look like a big bun. I loved it but it turned out to be too damaging for my fragile hair.
It would snap my ends and the bit near my crown, no matter what hair bands I used :(

I've been band free now since September and it's made a massive difference to my hair, but I do miss my fave updo.

I have a hair friendly alternative for this. I have been meaning to make a tutorial since autumn, but have put all tutorials on hold for now due to prioritizng on studies. I promise I will make it some time. (Without hair tie the look isn't quite as big, but pretty nice anyway!)

[lapushka]

Um... again, what's the point of this topic? :confused:

Mmmyeah... it's like making fun of someone because I have classic length and they "only" have waist. ;) :p Not that I am making fun of anyone, but it's the same thing. The day that we start "hating" or "not liking" people or "making fun" of people for having a tad shorter length than you... It's just not done, IMMHO.

That, and I notice the OP hasn't been back to this thread in a while!

[diddiedaisy]

I have a hair friendly alternative for this. I have been meaning to make a tutorial since autumn, but have put all tutorials on hold for now due to prioritizng on studies. I promise I will make it some time. (Without hair tie the look isn't quite as big, but pretty nice anyway!)

I'll look forward to it :)

Before I joined lhc I would have considered apl long. It's all about perception isn't it and belonging to a long hair site certainly changes that perception. For example my just bsl hair feels short on here, but realistically it's far from short. However I do still think of hip length as an extreme length, but to others it isn't.

[hennalonghair]

Yes to me it was a little odd as well, to the point where I didn't know quite how to respond to the thread and OP. :o
Maybe APL to her *is* long. I remember a period in my life where APL felt like I had very long hair!


You started a thread to make fun of someone for saying she has long hair...because your hair is longer than hers?


I thought the same thing. To me, at currently cbl, apl is very long. Perhaps she worked a long time growing it out.


Yes, I think after a certain length high ponytails can become very, very difficult, but elastics are very useful for tying off braids. :)

By the way, there are a few good ways of creating a ponytail-ish look without doing an actual ponytail, e.g.:

- Lazy Wrap Ponytail by Sarahlabyrinth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umz6pNWk9oQ; http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=129368

- Comet Bun (Knot bun with tail left out): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5w2yMI0eEI (torrinpaige)

- Victorian Side bun-pony by kmemuse inspired by the Prestige: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFTXQzIY-Ms

- Starting with the first twist of the Pha Bun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsF9Kp5W9Ig), pin the first twist down and leave the tail hanging

- Style by ladollyvita333, inspired by GoT, where 2 small braids are crossed over and then under the section in the back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qo69nnsnAA

- etc, etc...


^ Oh yes :agree: , I agree. And to me, it's a matter of perception and what one is used to in terms of length. :) And if the hair is bunnable, braid-able or ponytail-able (yes, those are words now! :p), it's already long to me. :)

There are lots of ways of doing ponytails (or ponytail-inspired looks) even on hair that's too heavy for them now. I totally forgot to add the sectioned ponytail to my list up-thread - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRJKAKxhV7I - those can be done on shorter lengths, too,
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-cGBYAt2Fw - these ones create a perkier look on hair that is heavy and tends to drag styles down and they can be done a bit higher up.


LOL

Between you and Arctic....bless your dear hearts for all the inspiration and info you give so freely; it makes the journey so enjoyable :flowers:
I've gotta agree. These two offer the most comprehensive responses ever that are packed with info but even better is that they let snide remarks just slide like water off a ducks back, making BOTH most impressive.:applause
You two are awesome !


lol right? Unrest starts happening and meteor starts throwing links to quell the hivemind :lol:
I know! :thumbsup: They are like genius good deed doers.
Besides which, longer isn't always better.

[MidnightMoon]

spidermom, lapushka exactly... plus, the person hadn´t even seen your hair, she might have saved the comment to herself if she had known yours is longer or who knows, to her that's probably long. Even if I sense someone is saying their hair is long with some arrogance or pride, I wouldn't think they deserve a topic made about it. With such an ambiguous title on top of it.
I realise I'm not helping it slowly disappear into the latter pages abyss by replying but I don't like leaving posts or quotes related to me unanswered. :heart:

[spidermom]

I declared my hair to be long at APL because for me it was. I'd been between pixie and shoulder length for many years.

[Angela_Rose]

This is one of the many, many things I love about this place. Somebody makes a nastygram post, and we all bury it with nice things.

[truepeacenik]

All of my stretchy bands are special. In the education sense. ;) they perform to the best of their ability, but I have to give them some points for showing up and not immediately breaking.

Hair shaming would have mortified me at APL.
Heck, I'm (completely self-generated) shamed at every meet, suddenly being a shortie! Not that I'll stop meeting up, but I apply quite enough pressure to myself in what my hair should look like.
If someone said something, or smirked, or whatever, it would hurt, deeply.

I do think APL is the "keep going and don't give in to a cut" point. It is when hair moves like longer lengths, starts the shenanigans that longer hair does, and is basically the terrible twos of length.
To the main society, I think it is considered long.


True, we didn't hear the young woman's tone. But we also do not know her journey. For someone with new hair post chemo, APL might be a blessing and a joy.


But maybe I should whip out my thumb tip length hair and try to make everyone at classic or less feel badly. Then the people I know personally can do the same to me, with their knee to past floor hair.

Or I could be a nice person (not my first impulse, I assure you- I'm a pacifist with attitude) and celebrate with her the cashier likes her hair.
Because that is what the journey is about- making yourself happy.

[lapushka]

Also, for some reason the reference to the "cheapie" plastic store went down the wrong way with me. :lol: Maybe because I am cheap and I love cheap stuff. Doesn't always have to mean it's low quality. And it was obviously "good enough" to buy it for people. :shrug:

[irodaryne]

I have a hair friendly alternative for this. I have been meaning to make a tutorial since autumn, but have put all tutorials on hold for now due to prioritizng on studies. I promise I will make it some time. (Without hair tie the look isn't quite as big, but pretty nice anyway!)

I can't wait for that tutorial!!!!


That, and I notice the OP hasn't been back to this thread in a while!

Maybe they decided they needed some cheese! :cheese:


I declared my hair to be long at APL because for me it was. I'd been between pixie and shoulder length for many years.

I like this! I mean, shoulder length and creeping towards CBL is starting to feel long for me, but that's because my hair has been decidedly shorter for a while, with a few bouts of somewhat "longer" hair.

Let it be known, Spidermom has spoken!


Heck, I'm (completely self-generated) shamed at every meet, suddenly being a shortie! Not that I'll stop meeting up, but I apply quite enough pressure to myself in what my hair should look like.
If someone said something, or smirked, or whatever, it would hurt, deeply.

Oh gosh, I was the one shorty at the Portland meet last month (was that really only last month????) and I kept length shaming myself with my SL hair. Everyone else at least had hair down their torsos (and then there was PrincessBob). If the lovely folks there hadn't been so kind and supportive I would have felt just awful about it.

[Nellon]

Well, thank you :heartbeat: I wish I could claim ninja diversion skills there, but I think I simply might not get everything posted (English isn't my mother tongue), but hey, did somebody just say "Ponytail"? :lol: Are there problems with ponytails and pony holders? Well, there's an app for that! :p

Meteor I just love you (in a friendly non-creepy way haha)! Sometimes even more than other times! <3

[Groovy Granny]

This is one of the many, many things I love about this place. Somebody makes a nastygram post, and we all bury it with nice things.

:agree:


All of my stretchy bands are special. In the education sense. ;) they perform to the best of their ability, but I have to give them some points for showing up and not immediately breaking.

Hair shaming would have mortified me at APL.
Heck, I'm (completely self-generated) shamed at every meet, suddenly being a shortie! Not that I'll stop meeting up, but I apply quite enough pressure to myself in what my hair should look like.
If someone said something, or smirked, or whatever, it would hurt, deeply.

I do think APL is the "keep going and don't give in to a cut" point. It is when hair moves like longer lengths, starts the shenanigans that longer hair does, and is basically the terrible twos of length.
To the main society, I think it is considered long.


True, we didn't hear the young woman's tone. But we also do not know her journey. For someone with new hair post chemo, APL might be a blessing and a joy.


But maybe I should whip out my thumb tip length hair and try to make everyone at classic or less feel badly. Then the people I know personally can do the same to me, with their knee to past floor hair.

Or I could be a nice person (not my first impulse, I assure you- I'm a pacifist with attitude) and celebrate with her the cashier likes her hair.
Because that is what the journey is about- making yourself happy.Amen sister :thumbsup:



Also, for some reason the reference to the "cheapie" plastic store went down the wrong way with me. :lol: Maybe because I am cheap and I love cheap stuff. Doesn't always have to mean it's low quality. And it was obviously "good enough" to buy it for people. :shrug:

We have all had a start there...I have bought (still have and use) grocery store and walmart hair accessories.

Unless you come across a site like this, you may have no idea that there are other creative options :shrug:
And even those creative options may be outside of a persons means; some of the etsy shops are outside of mine.

I echo the sentiment that the JOY is in the journey, and as a longhair, I would not want to extinguish a person's flame of hope for some day having long luxurious hair.

YOU have all been my inspiration (((Hugs))) 3 years ago I hoped but didn't believe I would be at goal today.
If someone had belittled my progress at a time when I was struggling through a rough phase, I may have given up the quest.

My thoughts and prayers are with her :flowers:

[Entangled]

I honestly didn't see the OP's post as mocking or nasty. She seemed mildly amused that APL long hair needs a special elastic. I know there could be many factors involved in the woman's comment, but it just reminded me of the YouTube videos where people with BSL hair say their hair is super long. It's a matter of perspective. In their world, their hair is long and they've probably been in a place where they needed different tools for shorter hair, and realize they need to adapt things for people. However, I find it amusing when people say APL or BSL hair is very long--it may be for them, but when they advise people with longer hair assuming it's shorter than theirs, it's a bit funny, especially coming from a sales person. There's wrong with shorter long hair, and helpfulness is appreciated; that doesn't mean a false short judgement isn't funny, especially when coupled with my hair is longer and the implied "it's more special" that comes with it. The whole story is about perspective--if the OP had responded, I think we'd have more context. For all we know, maybe she was smiling and shaking her head about a salesperson with much shorter hair bragging and implying superiority, or she could've been cluelessly giving advice for long hair that was gimmicky or just not effective for even longer hair. Either way, smiling at the incongruity of the situational irony could've entertained OP and she saw it as an LHC moment. Or it could've been mean and superior. She hasn't responded, so we done know. I'm inclined to think the former because it aligns with my own experience.

Regarding the cheap comment, there's nothing wrong with inexpensive things. However, in my experience, cheap means poor quality, and in the world of hair accessories, cheap IS often synonymous with poor quality--snaggy edges, glue showing, rhinestones snagging, and not long lasting. Such has been my experience. I've found inexpensive, quality things, but there's also a LOT of hair junk accessories that are blingy and cute as well as poorly made and expendable. They serve a purpose, but there's a plethora of cheap and inexpensive things. I don't think she was making a dig against inexpensive accessories.

[meteor]

Hennalonghair, thank you so very much! You are super-kind! :flowers:
Nellon, Thank you so much! :heartbeat I'm sending love your way, too! :smooch:


I've tried the knot bun, and I do have at least a little bit of tail... It may look silly, though, due to its shortness!

Yay, that's awesome that it worked. :joy: About the tail length, I wouldn't worry about it ;) : I find that once there is enough length to create *any* tail, it grows really fast with time, faster than expected.
I don't know how to demonstrate it well... but it's as if most of the length is already eaten up by creating the original knot/loop/bun (so the "entry barrier" to create a style is high), but after that, every cm gives you a much longer-looking tail, because it's free-flowing. The same applies to buns: it's really hard to get to a lwb/nautilus, for example, but after than first loop all those many additional wraps are really easy to achieve with every extra cm. I'm pretty sure gossamer's Crochet Stitch Braid (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=136207) is a good demonstration of how this principle works: each stitch/knot eats up a *ton* of length and turns past-floor-length hair to APL length braid/bun-sequence, but if it was just one knot at the top, the tail would be ~floor-length!


It's a looped pony. This used to be my go to, I'd put it high on the crown and could make it look like a big bun. I loved it but it turned out to be too damaging for my fragile hair.
It would snap my ends and the bit near my crown, no matter what hair bands I used :(

I've been band free now since September and it's made a massive difference to my hair, but I do miss my fave updo.

Oh no, so sorry that your favorite style was damaging... Have you tried it with soft stretchy headbands or pantyhose as holders?

By the way, since this style was mentioned, I just saw a Double fan bun (with 2 loops) on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPVS-pKjbAg It's the exact same principle but making the loop twice and it creates a big and intricate-looking effect.
So I wonder if this style can work with even more loops! :hmm:


I have a hair friendly alternative for this. I have been meaning to make a tutorial since autumn, but have put all tutorials on hold for now due to prioritizng on studies. I promise I will make it some time. (Without hair tie the look isn't quite as big, but pretty nice anyway!)

Oh, yay, Arctic! :thumbsup: I'm so looking forward to that! :D I LOVE your tutorials - you always come up with amazing new ways of styling hair! :applause

[Arctic]

Thanks Meteor :sun: I have the best inspiration pool all around me, thanks to LHC :D

[HeartofHaleth]

My goodness! This really is the nicest corner of the Internet!

Also, elastic-held ponytails stopped really working for me around BSL-ish. If that girl's hair is really thick and/or slippery, I could understand if she has difficulty with elastics. Oh elastics, how I miss you...except I don't, because you would always rip out a wad of hair when I took you out.

I also agree that OP may not have meant this post in a mean-spirited way. With all the times I :foot:, I certainly can't judge anybody for what they say! Anyways, that's my :twocents:

[W2]

You started a thread to make fun of someone for saying she has long hair...because your hair is longer than hers?

No, I think you misunderstood me

As I wrote, my hair was not visible at all, so I think, she thought my hair was at chin ... and she didn't believe me when I told her my hair was longer than hers. Not to belittle her, just to show her.

It might be similar to a bun drop, where people get surprised of the length

[languagenut]

No, I think you misunderstood me

As I wrote, my hair was not visible at all, so I think, she thought my hair was at chin ... and she didn't believe me when I told her my hair was longer than hers. Not to belittle her, just to show her.

It might be similar to a bun drop, where people get surprised of the length

Misunderstandings are an awfully common occurence on the internet, especially since we can't get cues from tone of voice, facial expression, and the like. They happen to me all too often, so I understand how frustrating, embarrassing, and sometimes painful they can be :-(.

When I read the original post, I didn't interpret it as mocking or malicious, but I see how it could be read that way.

Peace to you and yours, and cheese all round! :cheese::cheese::cheese:

[W2]

Misunderstandings are an awfully common occurence on the internet, especially since we can't get cues from tone of voice, facial expression, and the like. They happen to me all too often, so I understand how frustrating, embarrassing, and sometimes painful they can be :-(.

When I read the original post, I didn't interpret it as mocking or malicious, but I see how it could be read that way.

Peace to you and yours, and cheese all round! :cheese::cheese::cheese:

Thanks

My first language is not English, so that might make it easier to write in ways, that can be misinterpreted ... though I am raised with the sentence "All you say can and will be misunderstood and used against you" I still tend to put my foot in my mouth

[missblueeyes]

Well, I didn't read the whole thread but now that I cut my hair to APL+ I noticed that my hair was too slippery for normal elastics so even though my hair isn't very long by this forum's standarts, I couldn't use regular elastics anymore. I now use those that look like a phone cord. :) Maybe that's what the sales lady in the first post was referring to?
Anyway, I think I mis-interpreted your example as well, might have been because of the thread-title.

[starfire]

So are there elastics that actually hold up a long ponytail? Because I would be very interested!

[meteor]

Misunderstandings are an awfully common occurence on the internet, especially since we can't get cues from tone of voice, facial expression, and the like.
Oh yes! :thumbsup: It's totally normal and almost impossible to avoid anyway! :agree:

Peace to you and yours, and cheese all round! :cheese::cheese::cheese:
YAY for cheese!!! :cheese: :love:


I couldn't use regular elastics anymore. I now use those that look like a phone cord. :)

Those are really interesting! I keep seeing them irl, they are becoming more and more popular, but I always assumed it's because they are possibly less damaging than standard elastics (since they avoid tight pressure points all around)... I didn't know if they were sturdier or not :hmm: Can they can take heavier/longer hair than standard elastics?


So are there elastics that actually hold up a long ponytail? Because I would be very interested!

That's a great question! I don't know... all I know is that ponytails placed really high up are really hard to do on longer hair (since it's pulled down by the weight), but then sectioned ponytails can be done, like Haartraum shows in this tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWNoIQZ6OrM

Some elastics that I think are worth checking out for heavy hair are hair bungees (http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$T2eC16Z,!ykE9s7t)2UyBSE0hpS6G!~~_32.JPG), if you can find really thick ones around where you live. Unfortunately, they are really hard to come by, but you can DIY this ;) :
- with bobby pins: http://www.hairmakeup.co.uk/blog/?p=259 or http://gemskee.blogspot.ca/2013/03/so-that-bungee-hair-tie-post-diy-hair.html
- or with buttons: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=132760

I really like pantyhose for gently tying off braids and ponys, but it's really soft and tends to slide and loosen quickly.

[Arctic]

There was a thread about Pony-O's, which apparently worked for some people's long hair, but I can't remember were they discontinued?

[starfire]

@ Meteor
ahhhh Haartraum's hair is so thick and lovely! Thank you for the link. I will try the sectioned ponytail.

@ Arctic
I remember the pony-o thread, but I think it didn't work for longer/heavier hair.

[truepeacenik]

Well, I didn't read the whole thread but now that I cut my hair to APL+ I noticed that my hair was too slippery for normal elastics so even though my hair isn't very long by this forum's standarts, I couldn't use regular elastics anymore. I now use those that look like a phone cord. :) Maybe that's what the sales lady in the first post was referring to?
Anyway, I think I mis-interpreted your example as well, might have been because of the thread-title.

Yep, the title was my trigger.
In American English, and I recall it in the UK as well, the drawn out, rising and falling I in right denotes disbelief, sarcasm, and snarkiness.

[maborosi]

I usually toss my elastics once they start to look worn down.
But my hair is getting to where it's getting trickier and trickier to hold my pony up with just one elastic if I make it too high. It's almost as if the weight of the ponytail makes it really difficult, and the elastic will slide off.

So I either use two elastics (Like what JJJLonghair does) to anchor an updo/hold a pony, or just a silk scrunchie instead.

[lapushka]

I only use the elastics (very thin ones at that) for making a ponytail on the top of my head, for cutting the hair. The more stretched they are, the better they seem to work - oddness. I always use my elastics until they get really stretched and worn (it's like "settling in" to them LOL). :D Normally I can wrap 2 times, a third is impossible, making 2 turns a little too loose. So when they stretch, I *can* wrap a 3rd time and it's nice and snug. :D

[maborosi]

I only use the elastics (very thin ones at that) for making a ponytail on the top of my head, for cutting the hair. The more stretched they are, the better they seem to work - oddness. I always use my elastics until they get really stretched and worn (it's like "settling in" to them LOL). :D Normally I can wrap 2 times, a third is impossible, making 2 turns a little too loose. So when they stretch, I *can* wrap a 3rd time and it's nice and snug. :D

I have the same experience with elastics once they're stretched out- I can wrap them several times.

I don't know if it's personal preference, but I've found at times that the reeeallly worn down ones don't hold my hair like the brand new elastics do.

[lapushka]

I have the same experience with elastics once they're stretched out- I can wrap them several times.

I don't know if it's personal preference, but I've found at times that the reeeallly worn down ones don't hold my hair like the brand new elastics do.

Yes, that's the downside, the "stretch" goes out of them. It's like wrapping string around your hair. :lol:

[Obsidian]

Has anyone tried elastics like these? What did you think?

http://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5405919/il_fullxfull.335195465.jpg

[meteor]

There was a thread about Pony-O's, which apparently worked for some people's long hair, but I can't remember were they discontinued?

Oh yes, they look really good. :) I thought the company (http://www.ponyo.com/) is still making them, no? I haven't tried them, but there is a great thread on them here: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=130802


@ Meteor
ahhhh Haartraum's hair is so thick and lovely! Thank you for the link. I will try the sectioned ponytail.

Oh yes, she's amazing! Her tutorials are really helpful and easy to follow and her gorgeous hair is truly a dream! :crush:


Has anyone tried elastics like these? What did you think?

http://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5405919/il_fullxfull.335195465.jpg

I have! It's nice and super-soft. I think it's very hair-friendly, but the holding power is similar to pantyhose used as a hairtie, so, basically, it doen't hold up a whole pony for me securely, unfortunately. However, it's great for tying off ends of braids without too much pressure! :D

[KittyBird]

Has anyone tried elastics like these? What did you think?

http://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5405919/il_fullxfull.335195465.jpg
I have lots of those, and they're great for tying off braids. I wouldn't recommend using them to make a ponytail base for a bun though, as my hair always ended up tangling around the knotty end and getting ripped out when removing the elastic, no matter how careful I was. I tried it several times and it was always a disaster.

[rhosyn_du]

Also, for some reason the reference to the "cheapie" plastic store went down the wrong way with me. :lol: Maybe because I am cheap and I love cheap stuff. Doesn't always have to mean it's low quality. And it was obviously "good enough" to buy it for people. :shrug:


Regarding the cheap comment, there's nothing wrong with inexpensive things. However, in my experience, cheap means poor quality, and in the world of hair accessories, cheap IS often synonymous with poor quality--snaggy edges, glue showing, rhinestones snagging, and not long lasting. Such has been my experience. I've found inexpensive, quality things, but there's also a LOT of hair junk accessories that are blingy and cute as well as poorly made and expendable. They serve a purpose, but there's a plethora of cheap and inexpensive things. I don't think she was making a dig against inexpensive accessories.

I suspect the connotations of the word "cheap" vary by location. Where I am, it definitely implies shoddily made or made of low quality materials, whereas we use "inexpensive" or "not very expensive" to denote something that doesn't cost very much but isn't necessarily low quality. I would never refer to something well-made as "cheap." But I've visited other places where "Cheap!" is regularly used in advertising, which gives me the impression that in those places it must mean the same thing that "inexpensive" does here, without the low quality implications that I usually attribute to the word "cheap."

[Echileruwen]

It's good that the woman in that store is aware that she needs to take care of her hair to keep it looking nice at that length.

That definition of long hair reminds me of the time I went in for a perm, and the beautician pulled the longest part of my hair out until it barely touched my collar and told me that since it was sooo looong, she was going to have to charge me extra. (Everybody feel free to laugh at the greedy beautician's idea of long hair. I think she earned it. :p )

So far I've had no luck in finding elastics that stay in and don't rip my hair when they're being removed. Even those clear elastics available on line that are supposed to be so gentle on the hair don't seem to work right. If I put them in tight enough so they don't slide, hairs get ripped when I remove them. :(