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neko_kawaii
January 3rd, 2016, 08:32 AM
https://youtu.be/IRtVDThl5gY

A little background. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suebian_knot) If you have more info on the origin of this style, please post!

Swan Maiden
January 3rd, 2016, 08:41 AM
Yay for historical hair styles! In some picture tutorials it seems they start off with a rope braid and then tie off into a knot.

SaucyWench
January 3rd, 2016, 09:37 AM
It's really hard to see what you are doing. Half the image is out of frame + needs better lighting. Could you re-do?

Thoughtcriminal
January 3rd, 2016, 09:53 AM
It's really hard to see what you are doing. Half the image is out of frame + needs better lighting. Could you re-do?

It looks similar to a brioche bun, except the loop you pull through is smaller and the tail isn't pulled through all the way. If that makes sense, maybe you could find a good brioche bun tutorial and adapt it?

Swan Maiden
January 3rd, 2016, 10:20 AM
This knot has baffled me for a long time. I still can't figure it out. I have tried it so many times and it comes out different each time. I should post pics, but they really should be posted to hairstyle fails thread ha!
Eta: I think this style is well suited for thin hair, if you look at the bog bodies, their hair was thin.

SteelRose
January 3rd, 2016, 10:33 AM
I tried it and had no trouble with the video. My problem is personal. I have iii hair and small hands. It makes the step where you pull the hair through really hard to do. I got it to work, but it is a mess. I am going to give it another go later. Hopefully that one will look better because I really like the potential here. It is kind of like having a fake short pony again! :)

Seventy7
January 4th, 2016, 12:14 AM
It's really hard to see what you are doing. Half the image is out of frame + needs better lighting. Could you re-do?

If you click the title of the video it takes you to YouTube and you should be able to see the whole screen. The forum sometimes cuts the picture for me as well.

I think it's a lovely and clear tutorial, thank you Sarahlabyrinth!

Sarahlabyrinth
January 4th, 2016, 11:29 AM
If you click the title of the video it takes you to YouTube and you should be able to see the whole screen. The forum sometimes cuts the picture for me as well.

I think it's a lovely and clear tutorial, thank you Sarahlabyrinth!

Thanks :) I agree that the lighting isn't the best though.

cat11
January 4th, 2016, 05:53 PM
I will try this! And be back with pics. Lovely tut, Sarahlabyrinth!

lillielil
January 5th, 2016, 08:32 AM
Nice tutorial! It is very clear and easy to understand, and your hair is lovely, Sarahlabyrinth!

I gave this a try and can just barely pull through a little loop. It isn't worth pinning or taking a picture. Oh wait - the tail just flopped all the way through. Now I just have a knot with a tiny tail.

Can anyone make sense of the "braid method" described on the linked Wikipedia article?

The hairs are divided at the back in two uniform strands, slicked and laid in opposite directions around the head. On one side of the head, usually in the temporal region, the two strands are individually tightened in the same direction. The two strands are then twisted, whereby the rotation of the two individual strands loosens somewhat. A loop is formed from the resulting braid and the excess braid end is put in a loop through the loop. By natural untwisting the resulting knot tightens and stops without further aids.

Seventy7
January 5th, 2016, 10:46 AM
Two strands twisted into a braid: I picture a ropebraid. Sounds about right if you try to explain the steps of a ropebraid to muggles (what do we call non-hair-interested-people?)

I don't know how the two strands should be laid around the head, that's where I'm lost.

RebekahE
January 5th, 2016, 11:01 AM
I don't think my hair is long enough for this.

lillielil
January 5th, 2016, 11:12 AM
Two strands twisted into a braid: I picture a ropebraid. Sounds about right if you try to explain the steps of a ropebraid to muggles (what do we call non-hair-interested-people?)

I don't know how the two strands should be laid around the head, that's where I'm lost.

Oh! I think it is literally just a ropebraid, then tied in a knot as per Sarahlabyrinth's tutorial. I can see how that would hold a little better if you get all the twist directions right. It sounds like everything is first combed forward and to one side, as shown on the grinning gent at the upper right side of the Wikipedia page.

Swan Maiden
January 5th, 2016, 11:25 AM
I can't get my loop to stay in. It just wants to flop out and be a tail.

Rope braid and knotted
http://i.imgur.com/x6ncjNv.jpg

Attempt 3,587 this pitiful result should be banished to the bowels of Hel. Suebian warriors weep at my mockery.
http://i.imgur.com/3yLbkoK.jpg

And this was my first time trying it Sarahs way, this was the most secure hold out of all of them.
http://i.imgur.com/nidtY68.jpg

Sarahlabyrinth
January 5th, 2016, 12:43 PM
I can't get my loop to stay in. It just wants to flop out and be a tail.

Rope braid and knotted
http://i.imgur.com/x6ncjNv.jpg

Attempt 3,587 this pitiful result should be banished to the bowels of Hel. Suebian warriors weep at my mockery.
http://i.imgur.com/3yLbkoK.jpg

And this was my first time trying it Sarahs way, this was the most secure hold out of all of them.
http://i.imgur.com/nidtY68.jpg

Boy oh boy does that look magnificent! :thudpile:

Arctic
January 5th, 2016, 01:59 PM
It's really hard to see what you are doing. Half the image is out of frame + needs better lighting. Could you re-do?


If you click the title of the video it takes you to YouTube and you should be able to see the whole screen. The forum sometimes cuts the picture for me as well.

I think it's a lovely and clear tutorial, thank you Sarahlabyrinth!

For me embedded videos here at the LHC might look weirdly framed/cut when I have the browser tab scaled up (that is, when I make the view on my screen bigger). I have high resolution computer screen and I usually have web pages scaled up to 130-140 percentage of the original size for comfortable reading. This doesn't play well with embedded videos, though. If I scale down the page back towards 100% the embedded video returns into it's original framing/size too.

Other option, like was suggested, is to view the videos at the You Tube instead of here.

Arctic
January 5th, 2016, 02:48 PM
- - I agree that the lighting isn't the best - -.

Sarah, you can adjust the light-levels digitally somewhat with, for example, You Tube's own video editor.

Swan Maiden
January 6th, 2016, 08:54 AM
Thank you SarahLabyrinth :) I can be very sloppy handed when it comes to updos.

AutobotsAttack
January 6th, 2016, 02:21 PM
This is lovely! And i know this is a bit off topic, but the scenery where you live, is absolutely beautiful

NorthernLorelei
January 6th, 2016, 02:24 PM
I don't think the second one is really a failure Swan Maiden. Centered (or doubled up maybe), it would look really neat!

I'm quite curious what you all think of this: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/34/48/e2/3448e2f3b9eb0b91adb0f098aa6cdc86.jpg
The picture was captioned with "Suebian knot," but it seems somewhat beebutt-esque to me, with what's maybe? a hairstick in there somewhere.

lillielil
January 6th, 2016, 03:09 PM
Tangent:

I didn't catch this at first, but SL pronounced "suebian" two different ways. The first was "sway-bee-un" and the second was "soo-bee-un". That first one sounded familiar but I had the hardest time placing it. Turns out that it is because I lived in the region of Germany now known Swabia. Only it isn't pronounced that way there. That particular region has a very strong local dialect (the joke is that Swebisch isn't a dialect (http://nurdervfb1893.blogspot.com/2007/07/todesstern-stuttgart-virales-marketing.html), it a throat disease), and it would be pronounced "schwa-bee-un".

Sorry to say I did not see anyone sporting this hairstyle when I lived there. It was the 80s - mullets galore :)

Swan Maiden
January 6th, 2016, 03:13 PM
Interesting lillielil! I also found this while looking up the Suebian Knot, a bit of history on the people and such https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suebi

Eta: The cultural characteristics part was interesting and mentions the hairstyle.

lillielil
January 6th, 2016, 03:20 PM
Interesting lillielil! I also found this while looking up the Suebian Knot, a bit of history on the people and such https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suebi

Eta: The cultural characteristics part was interesting and mentions the hairstyle.

Man... history is the BEST!

Alaska98
January 6th, 2016, 08:22 PM
I tried. I think my hair is way too slippery. It literally just unknots its self. :/

browneyedsusan
January 7th, 2016, 05:28 AM
Mine won't stay, either. (Too much slip.) I'll try again when my hair is dirtier, and start with a ponytail to clamp down on the slip. Then, maybe it'll come around to my way of thinking. :)

MsPharaohMoan
January 8th, 2016, 05:05 PM
Hair was too slippery for a single knot, however I got it in my head that the style looks a bit like Rey's hair from the new star wars. The knot worked much better on my hair when sectioned, however I don't think I would go running around the universe fighting bad guys in it.

http://i67.tinypic.com/opo211.jpg


Straight forward and easy to follow tutorial, Sarahlabyrinth!

LemonFizzy
January 8th, 2016, 05:37 PM
MsPharoahMoan, this is awesome! I do think you are prepared to battle evil forces around the galaxy with that style! :luke:

And thanks Sarahlabyrinth for another great tutorial!

edited to add thought: Don't you all think that the half pulled through loops probably stayed in the past because the hair was treated with oils or ointment?

Swan Maiden
January 8th, 2016, 06:27 PM
That looks great MsP!
LemonFizzy, yes I do think oiled or unwashed hair would work better to give more grip.

browneyedsusan
January 9th, 2016, 12:17 PM
OMG.
So much SLIP!!! (look at all those napey fly-aways! )

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1673/23649403083_cc4896ea0f_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/C2PnB2)2016-01-09_02-14-54 (https://flic.kr/p/C2PnB2) by Mom and wife (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62007100@N08/), on Flickr

Even with a ponytail base, and 3 spin pins, it's barely holding. It doesn't help that my hair is almost too short to loop through.:p

Juanita
January 10th, 2016, 04:47 AM
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d21/peachymango2002/86B3909C-7FC8-4E74-BC1E-AB978E298792.jpg (http://s32.photobucket.com/user/peachymango2002/media/86B3909C-7FC8-4E74-BC1E-AB978E298792.jpg.html)

A try but I need a bit more hair.

stelz
January 10th, 2016, 06:12 AM
This knot has baffled me for a long time. I still can't figure it out. I have tried it so many times and it comes out different each time. I should post pics, but they really should be posted to hairstyle fails thread ha!
Eta: I think this style is well suited for thin hair, if you look at the bog bodies, their hair was thin.


Bog bodies? How old IS this bun?
ETA: Never mind, found it. WOW. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suebian_knot

Great instructions, Sarahlabyrinth, I got it to work. :)
And for the first few minutes I thought that cat was real. I kept watching for it to move, lol.

Arkadas
January 15th, 2016, 05:58 PM
Thank you Sarahlabyrinth very clear and easy to follow :)

PS enjoy'd your cat :) too

Sarahlabyrinth
January 15th, 2016, 06:04 PM
Haha, thank you. He is a fairly low maintenance cat.

languagenut
January 23rd, 2016, 08:05 PM
I think I got the shape, pretty much (works better for me with half-up), but I can't get it to stay put. I don't have any spin pins; only bobby pins, which hold for about one minute, and hair sticks, which are more conspicuous than I want at this moment. Any suggestions for an alternative until I buy some spin pins? I'm pretty sure I will; they look handy. :)

lapis_lazuli
January 23rd, 2016, 08:28 PM
Great video! I hope to try this sometime :) Looks very pretty

languagenut
January 25th, 2016, 12:45 PM
Pics of my attempts:

With all the hair: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21133&d=1453745225

Half-up: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21134&d=1453748919

As I said, I think I got the shape, but couldn't get it to stay put. Spin pins are definitely on my list for next time I'm in town!

parkmikii
January 26th, 2016, 05:02 AM
Pics of my attempts:

With all the hair: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21133&d=1453745225

Half-up: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21134&d=1453748919

As I said, I think I got the shape, but couldn't get it to stay put. Spin pins are definitely on my list for next time I'm in town!

It's beautiful! :o

newmooncrafts
January 27th, 2016, 11:10 AM
Pics of my attempts:

With all the hair: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21133&d=1453745225

Half-up: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21134&d=1453748919

As I said, I think I got the shape, but couldn't get it to stay put. Spin pins are definitely on my list for next time I'm in town!

You can get them at drug stores or big box stores for 4-6 bucks per pair. But check Dollar Tree first! They carry them in Wisconsin, but not Florida. When I went home to WI I bought 5 pair! I keep setting them down and losing them, so hopefully this will keep me stocked for a while.

Good luck with them. I lurv them!

languagenut
January 27th, 2016, 11:38 AM
You can get them at drug stores or big box stores for 4-6 bucks per pair. But check Dollar Tree first! They carry them in Wisconsin, but not Florida. When I went home to WI I bought 5 pair! I keep setting them down and losing them, so hopefully this will keep me stocked for a while.

Good luck with them. I lurv them!

Thank you for the recommendations! I have a couple things from Dollar Tree on my list; I'll make sure to check while I'm there.

mary*rose
January 29th, 2016, 10:04 AM
I don't think the second one is really a failure Swan Maiden. Centered (or doubled up maybe), it would look really neat!

I'm quite curious what you all think of this: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/34/48/e2/3448e2f3b9eb0b91adb0f098aa6cdc86.jpg
The picture was captioned with "Suebian knot," but it seems somewhat beebutt-esque to me, with what's maybe? a hairstick in there somewhere.

Perhaps the gentleman was just trying to imitate the placement. The wiki article said that the bun was sometimes placed on the side of the head to make warriors look more intimidating, or to show one's status.

I was wondering how this would work on longer hair; I think I'll try the rope version to shorten my hair a little, then bun it. Just have to figure out if I should do an S or Z...

HeartofHaleth
January 30th, 2016, 07:01 PM
My hair just isn't up to this 'do, I'm afraid. There's absolutely no chance with all of it, but half-up is at least within the realm of possibility:
http://i.imgur.com/YTC7BUR.jpg
I don't think I got it quite right, though I'm not sure how it went wrong. At least it seemed pretty sturdy, even without any kind of pinning or fastening.

ETA: Those white spots are just dirt on the mirror, just so you know :D

Alarice
February 10th, 2016, 02:07 PM
...Have any of you tried this style the same way it looks in the bog people photos (hair knotted high on the head, near the forehead)?
If so, can I see a picture? :eye:

SparrowWings
February 25th, 2016, 04:58 PM
Wait wait wait, you mean the random thing I do with my hair to try and keep it off my back after I wash it, if I forget to bring a clip into the shower, is actually a thing?? That's interesting! No pictures from me, though, because I haven't yet managed to make it stay up after I let go of it, wet or dry. Either the whole loop falls out, or the loop-end pulls through, depending on length and weight. My hair is just too slippery.

Mega Moose
March 13th, 2016, 03:58 PM
Wonderful! :D I don't think my hair would ever hold it though.... It's pretty slick.