Henna & Manic Panic

[RavennaNight]

So I've seen it mentioned in passing throughout this forum that some use Manic Panic with their henna to achieve different tones and colors. I'd love to hear more about the how-to's, basics, and recipies used for this, and I'm sure others would as well. I'm just really curious. Does it fade? Does it fry your hair? Anyone have a disaster with this? :shudder: I think it makes a good topic for a thread. If it's already on the boards somewhere and I haven't sucessfully found it, feel free to merge me. Oh and most important: any pics? :D

[Isilme]

manic panic is just a deposit only colour which comes in several bright colours and various shades. You have lots of similair brands out there, like special effects, stargazer, la riche etc.
It won't fry your hair, it doesn't contain ammonia or peroxide, it may make you hair a tad dry, but that could have been because I was lazy about rinsing;)

[Zombiekins]

I only used it once, but probably wouldn't bother again. Manic Panic simply doesn't last in my hair (much like other demi-permanents - that's the right word for them, right? "demi"?), and I think it was like eight bucks or something for one jar. My henna apps cost between two and three dollars each....so...yeah, it didn't add up for the amount of time it actually lasted on my hair.

I mixed the manic panic in my henna mix after dye release and right before slapping it on my head. So it stayed on the whole four hours (with heat). I found the addition of manic panic made rinsing much easier (albeit more red, I swear the majority of the color fell out during the rinse) and left my hair very soft. Oh, I used some kind of red, it was blood red or vampire red or something. The jar was very dark if that helps identify it at all. My color afterward was brighter, and more red I guess - up until recently all henna apps resulted in burnt orange hair until about the third try. I think this picture was taken shortly afterward (http://www.savagedigital.com/Pics/OklahomaStateFair2.jpg). Ignore the darker bun area, that was during my indigo experiments and the manic panic (or henna for that matter) had little effect on its color. What's on my head/scalp/rooty area was most effected as I think it was like half an in or more of virgin hair at the time of the application.

Short answers are: Yes, it fades. No, it doesn't fry your hair (quite the opposite I've found), and no disasters. Unless you're putting black on white blond hair, I doubt anything awful would happen (color-wise), and even then it should fade out. I've never come across anyone who didn't have a semi or demi dye fade out, but I guess it happens occasionally.

[arylkin]

So, if mixed with a henna application- the manic panic color will fade out after a few weeks leaving the regular henna color- is that right?

I've been thinking about doing this the next time I henna. I think someone said Hypnotica used a blend of henna and manic panic (?)- I wonder if that's why she has such an awesome red.

[Arctic]

Hypnotica uses Special Effects Blood red, if I remember correctly. I hope she sees this and shares her method with us :) I'm also interested to try :)

[Nightshade]

So, if mixed with a henna application- the manic panic color will fade out after a few weeks leaving the regular henna color- is that right?

I've been thinking about doing this the next time I henna. I think someone said Hypnotica used a blend of henna and manic panic (?)- I wonder if that's why she has such an awesome red.

I would think you should mix it in after dye release. I did some tests with honey and aloe and both affected the dye release and dye uptake of henna because of how thick they are.

I don't almost wonder if a two-step of henna then manic panic wouldn't be better :ponder:

[Kirin]

I am one of the ones who have used manic panic in their henna. I can tell you, the results are far from "temporary", depending on the color you use.

Manic Panic reds do seem to fade, but in reality, their intensity fades, but it doesnt go away entirely.

I have used manic panic "Midnight blue" with henna (mixed in after dye release) and slapped on my head for a few hours. The result was a dark brown, almost black. The color did fade, but left greenish tinges especially on the last three inches of hair. This only faded out after four henna applications (with no manic panic) afterward. The green finally left about four months after initial application.

[arylkin]

I am one of the ones who have used manic panic in their henna. I can tell you, the results are far from "temporary", depending on the color you use.

Manic Panic reds do seem to fade, but in reality, their intensity fades, but it doesnt go away entirely.

I have used manic panic "Midnight blue" with henna (mixed in after dye release) and slapped on my head for a few hours. The result was a dark brown, almost black. The color did fade, but left greenish tinges especially on the last three inches of hair. This only faded out after four henna applications (with no manic panic) afterward. The green finally left about four months after initial application.

Ugh! Well- thanks for sharing! I would have thought it would a pretty purple (since red+blue=purple). I guess I'll stick to red shades if I do end up doing it. You must have NOT been happy... :eek:

[VanillaTresses]

arylkin, I would say henna is more "orange" than "red," and orange plus blue usually equals some shade of muddy (possibly greenish) brown! So if you are planning on color mixing, I would consider henna to be orange rather than just plain unadulterated red! :)

[arylkin]

arylkin, I would say henna is more "orange" than "red," and orange plus blue usually equals some shade of muddy (possibly greenish) brown! So if you are planning on color mixing, I would consider henna to be orange rather than just plain unadulterated red! :)

You're right (and I certainly don't want green hair)! ;)

[Euphony]

I don't almost wonder if a two-step of henna then manic panic wouldn't be better :ponder:
That's exactly what I was thinking. If mixing it with the henna it could either inhibit the dye release of the henna or possibly make a different color. I know Jel used some sort of natural dye with/over her henna and her hair was gorgeous. I just don't remember what it was she did.

[Zombiekins]

I am one of the ones who have used manic panic in their henna. I can tell you, the results are far from "temporary", depending on the color you use.

Manic Panic reds do seem to fade, but in reality, their intensity fades, but it doesnt go away entirely.

I have used manic panic "Midnight blue" with henna (mixed in after dye release) and slapped on my head for a few hours. The result was a dark brown, almost black. The color did fade, but left greenish tinges especially on the last three inches of hair. This only faded out after four henna applications (with no manic panic) afterward. The green finally left about four months after initial application.


Eww, that's awful! I guess your name is on my short list of peeps who had manic panic last beyond a week. My sister tried pink in her hair and not only did it not even dye, but it pulled out whatever color she had and left the hair beneath almost virgin color.


Hypnotica uses Special Effects Blood red, if I remember correctly. I hope she sees this and shares her method with usI think you're right. I've also heard that Special Effects lasts longer than Manic Panic. Unfortunately, my local Sally's stores don't seem to carry that line anymore and I haven't had the opportunity to try it out myself. Jerks.

[GlassEyes]

I think that using special effects (FAR SUPERIOR TO MANIC AND ALL OTHER DYES) then doing henna would be better. you know, seal in the red maybe?

I've been thinking aout doing this and bleaching highlights in for a while...

[RavennaNight]

I think that using special effects (FAR SUPERIOR TO MANIC AND ALL OTHER DYES) then doing henna would be better. you know, seal in the red maybe?

I've been thinking aout doing this and bleaching highlights in for a while...

I always wondered about this concept. If henna seals your hair? Wouldn't it seal in whatever is under it? Even indigo for example. You henna over it a month later, does last month's indigo process seal in? What about using manic panic raven black over henna or with henna? Would that make black or something odd? I like how this thread is evolving.
Hmmm maybe when I get some roots growing Ill start collecting some sheds and strand test...

[arylkin]

I always wondered about this concept. If henna seals your hair? Wouldn't it seal in whatever is under it? Even indigo for example. You henna over it a month later, does last month's indigo process seal in? What about using manic panic raven black over henna or with henna? Would that make black or something odd? I like how this thread is evolving.

Hmmmm... interesting! Experts- what do you think?

[Oskimosa]

I always wondered about this concept. If henna seals your hair? Wouldn't it seal in whatever is under it? Even indigo for example. You henna over it a month later, does last month's indigo process seal in? What about using manic panic raven black over henna or with henna? Would that make black or something odd? I like how this thread is evolving.
Hmmm maybe when I get some roots growing Ill start collecting some sheds and strand test...


So far as I know, henna doesn't seal your hair or anything. The lawsome molecule bonds with the keratin, which takes a little time, and is why removing henna within a day or so of dyeing it is more productive than removing it later. It doesn't seal or coat the hair, say, the way silicones do.

[Medievalhair]

This sounds interesting, I'm watching this thread.

[Arctic]

So far as I know, henna doesn't seal your hair or anything. The lawsome molecule bonds with the keratin, which takes a little time, and is why removing henna within a day or so of dyeing it is more productive than removing it later. It doesn't seal or coat the hair, say, the way silicones do.

I'm sure I've seen somewhere that henna roes coat the hairstrand somehow and I have noticed my hair has become a lot thicker since I've been using henna.

I have also been wondering about the order in which the process would be best to do, and also have come to conclusion that the manic panic etc first, henna second.

I'm really interested in this subject!

[RavennaNight]

I'm sure I've seen somewhere that henna roes coat the hairstrand somehow and I have noticed my hair has become a lot thicker since I've been using henna.

I have also been wondering about the order in which the process would be best to do, and also have come to conclusion that the manic panic etc first, henna second.

I'm really interested in this subject!

Yes. I thought it coated and sealed the hair because when I started to henna, the frizz problem dissapeared.

[ktani]

Henna contains resin, which would coat the hair to some extent but it washes out between use. That explains to me why in part henna can leave the hair dry and stiff just after use.

Henna Constituents
"Dried, powdered leaves of henna contain .... 0.5 to 1.5 percent lawsone .... chief constituent responsible for the dyeing properties of the plant ...."
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/med-aro/factsheets/henna.html

Henna resin content - Bureau of Plant Industry - Manilla
".... the leaves also contain about 2 per cent of a resin."
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:5zV6qzd1hSIJ:www.bpi.da.gov.ph/Publications/mp/pdf/s/sinamono.pdf+hennatannic+acid+resinous&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=ca

[Nightshade]

Yes. I thought it coated and sealed the hair because when I started to henna, the frizz problem dissapeared.

It does both :) Some of the lawesone binds with the keratin inside the hair, which is why removing the henna color is about impossible without nuking your hair into oblivion.

Henna also creates a permeable resin coating on the hair, meaning that it doesn't seal out moisture, but it helps smooth and seal the cuticle, reducing frizz.

The resin is thickest just after you henna (causing post-henna wonky hair), and once it's settled down, thinned down and oxidized, it isn't going anywhere, and creates thicker healthier hair. Part of the shine effect of henna comes from this coating/smoothing the cuticle, as the smoother the surface, the more light it reflects.

[Patrycja]

I apply my manic panic to my henna mix after the dye releases. I use their bright BRIGHT red(has blue tones to it)along with Jamilia. I plan on switching to PP Henna and forgetting the manic panic to see where that gets me.Right now, I have dark red hair in the shade but when I get in the sun...POW! Its a glowing bright red.

[ktani]

More on henna constituents.

".... a brown substance of a resinoid fracture, having the chemical properties .... characterize the tannins .... therefore named hennotannic acid. Dried, powdered leaves of henna contain about 0.5 to 1.5 percent lawsone .... chief constituent responsible for the dyeing properties of the plant. Henna also contains mannite, tannic acid, 2-hydroxy-1:4-naphthoquinone resin mucilage, gallic acid, glucose, mannitol, fat, resin and mucilage .... The colouring matter is the quinone and napthaquinone."
http://www.kingtutshop.com/Egyptian-Herb/henna.htm

Henna flower oil
http://www.tigerflag.com/gulhina_attar.html

Henna flowers
http://members.aol.com/parijata/gulhina.html

[RavennaNight]

It does both :) Some of the lawesone binds with the keratin inside the hair, which is why removing the henna color is about impossible without nuking your hair into oblivion.

Henna also creates a permeable resin coating on the hair, meaning that it doesn't seal out moisture, but it helps smooth and seal the cuticle, reducing frizz.

The resin is thickest just after you henna (causing post-henna wonky hair), and once it's settled down, thinned down and oxidized, it isn't going anywhere, and creates thicker healthier hair. Part of the shine effect of henna comes from this coating/smoothing the cuticle, as the smoother the surface, the more light it reflects.

Thank youNightshade :flower:

[RavennaNight]

I apply my manic panic to my henna mix after the dye releases. I use their bright BRIGHT red(has blue tones to it)along with Jamilia. I plan on switching to PP Henna and forgetting the manic panic to see where that gets me.Right now, I have dark red hair in the shade but when I get in the sun...POW! Its a glowing bright red.

Do you find that it fades at all? How long do you leave your mix on?

[mooglewoo]

Interesting thread....I'll be watching it.
There might be a way I could get a deep, dark brown! I've been using henna/indigo/amla but the henna still shows through after a few washes and I hate the red tone it leaves behind. I'm using so much indigo now in my recipe it's almost a waste of money-if there was a way I cold achieve it with Special Effects my pocketbook would love me...

[oodlesofnoodles]

Ugh! Well- thanks for sharing! I would have thought it would a pretty purple (since red+blue=purple). I guess I'll stick to red shades if I do end up doing it. You must have NOT been happy... :eek:


Interesting thread....I'll be watching it.
There might be a way I could get a deep, dark brown! I've been using henna/indigo/amla but the henna still shows through after a few washes and I hate the red tone it leaves behind. I'm using so much indigo now in my recipe it's almost a waste of money-if there was a way I cold achieve it with Special Effects my pocketbook would love me...

Use SFX Wildflower. It's purple and it tones down the red beautifully. My hair is naturally dark brown, but I've henna'd it which means it has alot of red tones. For me, this makes my hair look less shiny. With the SFX Wildflower, it turns a rich, dark, so-dark-brown-it's-almost-black color that I love. It's still warm and doesn't fade to green like a blue dye would, but it's very shiny.

[JessTheMess]

Use SFX Wildflower. It's purple and it tones down the red beautifully. My hair is naturally dark brown, but I've henna'd it which means it has alot of red tones. For me, this makes my hair look less shiny. With the SFX Wildflower, it turns a rich, dark, so-dark-brown-it's-almost-black color that I love. It's still warm and doesn't fade to green like a blue dye would, but it's very shiny.

I would love to see your color. I want to henna so bad, but I want to get that deepest brown right before black, which is my natural hair color.

[mooglewoo]

but I want to get that deepest brown right before black

That is what I've been trying to achieve...If I try Wildflower this weekend, I will post pics. But I just read in a thread I could do just indigo over what I have for a short period, to achieve it too. I'll see what I end up doing I guess lolz

oodles: should I still put in some indigo, or just use henna/wildflower? tia :}

[Medievalhair]

I was wondering how the wildfire red would work with henna?

I have been thinking about trying it, but don't know how it would look.
Time to gather hair I guess.

[SpiralingWaves]

Any new experiments with this? Or new methods to share? :)

[Isilme]

have a look in my album if you want to se new pics of SP over henna:) The same old mix, a glob of colour in cassia or conditioner, on my head for at least an hour.

[SpiralingWaves]

Isilme, thanks for directing me to your pics. Your color is beautiful! So, you mixed SP (what is this btw?) with cassia, and this was over previously henna'd hair, right? How long ago did you last henna before this cassia/color mix?

[Isilme]

Isilme, thanks for directing me to your pics. Your color is beautiful! So, you mixed SP (what is this btw?) with cassia, and this was over previously henna'd hair, right? How long ago did you last henna before this cassia/color mix?

Thank you!:) SP is Special Effects, a similair dye to Manic Panic, my shade is called Blood red. Yes, I mix it with whatever I have on hand. I still use henna, but only on my roots. I use it every couple of weeks. Last time my length had henna on it was...I don't even know. The SP boosts my colour and makes it deeper so it blends quite well with the henna. I think it takes about four to eight washes for it to go away.

[Arctic]

Isilme:

I think it takes about four to eight washes for it to go away.

That would be a slight problem to me since I wash my hair every other day... But not big enough problem to not still consider this method. I would love some change and some more unnatural colour :face:

[lastnite]

sorry to bring a necro thread back, but just wondering if anyone still used SFX mixed IN their henna? and if the results are permanent, since someone else said it will just fade but not completely wash out? and also what color would work best to push henna more red?

[earthymamawitch]

I occasionally do this, mixing SFX Burgundy Wine in to cool the orange a bit and get a more wine toned red. In the past, I've used Deep Purple before and gotten a deep cool brown, and Blood Red which just makes it *really* cherry red. Doesn't take much to push the color either, I used a tablesoon or two to 100 gm of henna.

HTH!
Jenn

[lastnite]

I occasionally do this, mixing SFX Burgundy Wine in to cool the orange a bit and get a more wine toned red. In the past, I've used Deep Purple before and gotten a deep cool brown, and Blood Red which just makes it *really* cherry red. Doesn't take much to push the color either, I used a tablesoon or two to 100 gm of henna.

HTH!
Jenn

that does help.. because I was wondering how much to mix in. does it fade quickly or last a couple of months?

[earthymamawitch]

that does help.. because I was wondering how much to mix in. does it fade quickly or last a couple of months?

It lasted a good 6-8 weeks last time, and I wash like 3x a week.

Jenn

[VitaR86]

sorry to bring a necro thread back, but just wondering if anyone still used SFX mixed IN their henna? and if the results are permanent, since someone else said it will just fade but not completely wash out? and also what color would work best to push henna more red?

Well thank you for reviving this thread, I've briefly heard about using manic panic, SFX and others in henna. I was curious as to the results.

[Loviatar]

Currently sitting here with my mix on my head.

100g cassia, 1 tbs p henna, 1 cup rosehip tea, 1/4 a bottle of Rusk Scream colour (like Manic P or stargazer) in red (which I use to top up my length as it fades). I'll keep you posted

[Loviatar]

Mix left on for an hour; washed out with conefree conditioner. Massively tangled but knots 'fell out' as it dried. No dye uptake either from henna or from Rusk dye.

Next experiment will be full head dye with Manic P THEN cassia (with 1 tbsp henna) over the top to lock it in. Again, will keep this thread posted.

[dropinthebucket]

i've read a couple of things here and there about Manic Panic drying out hair quite a bit with repeated use - those of you who've used it regularly, did you find it was A-ok? Does Manic Panic come in any brown or grey shades??? my local Sally's only has the bright, funky colours, and i've looked online, but again, i can't find anything in "human" shades! :D

[kwaniesiam]

i've read a couple of things here and there about Manic Panic drying out hair quite a bit with repeated use - those of you who've used it regularly, did you find it was A-ok? Does Manic Panic come in any brown or grey shades??? my local Sally's only has the bright, funky colours, and i've looked online, but again, i can't find anything in "human" shades! :D

Manic panic only makes bright unnatural colors. For a while they did have an auburn and a brownish shade but those were reported to either turn or fade screaming orange over time and I believe they were discontinued. Don't quote me on that though, you might still be able to get it from their site or ebay.

Check the Elumen by Goldwell thread. Elumen is a similar, deposit only temporary color that does come in natural shades.

[JenniferNoel]

I'm thinking of running to sally's to get some manic panic to go over my almost-jet-black, faded, 2 step henndigoed hair, but I'm not sure any of the colors would give a sheen in the light at all. I was thinking blue to make a blue-black shade. :cool:
I'll keep everyone posted if I do decide to go for it.

[kwaniesiam]

I'm thinking of running to sally's to get some manic panic to go over my almost-jet-black, faded, 2 step henndigoed hair, but I'm not sure any of the colors would give a sheen in the light at all. I was thinking blue to make a blue-black shade. :cool:
I'll keep everyone posted if I do decide to go for it.

After Midnight blue would give you the sheen you're looking for.

[lundmir]

I want to try that too, but MP is soooo expensive here. I might just buy my usual cheapo brand.

[Lunarennui]

Manic Panic did dry *my* hair out quite a lot, and I never got it to be any kind of colorfast. I did, however, get some really interesting mixes when going over a fading purple with blue...ended up with varying shades of purple, varying shades of blue, a little blonde, and even some green... Had a lot of people ask how I'd done it, and I couldn't quite explain, and never was able to recreate it. Fun times, but I sure went through a lot of dye and conditioner.

[JenniferNoel]

Alright scratch the blue. What would happen now if I mixed, after dye release, some Raven (black MP) in to the henna mix? Would it stay nice and black? Or is that just an awful idea, just like blue.

[kwaniesiam]

Alright scratch the blue. What would happen now if I mixed, after dye release, some Raven (black MP) in to the henna mix? Would it stay nice and black? Or is that just an awful idea, just like blue.

I wouldn't mix it in to the henna, I'd apply it after. Generally anything other than the red and some purple shades aren't going to mix well with the orange-red stain of henna.

[JenniferNoel]

Mmkay, but it'll probably fade more than I'd be happy. I best suffer through indigo either way, said as an afterthought. *sigh*

[pineapples]

I just read about mixing koolaid in the henna anyone given it a shot. and has anyone tried hennaing over the cotton candy pink or electric lava MP? I'm looking for a pre-Raphaelite red and on my medium to dark brown I have thus not achieved it. not sure which would give me better color.