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texangrrl
May 21st, 2015, 12:50 PM
Ok, so I have 1b hair (or so I think it's 1b) and it frustrates me because it's not smooth and sleek like I would like and it has a little wave, but not enough to define or do anything with and it seems that it's just mostly frizzy and stringy. My hair is also low porosity, so a lot of leave-ins seem to weigh it down. What can I do to help combat the frizzy look and have smooth, sleek hair or more defined wave. I would like to do this WITHOUT using heat. My daughter's hair is EXACTLY the same and it drives her crazy too!

Here are some pictures that were taken the other day that shows the texture (sorry in advance for the big size). I had just brushed it. :(

http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y339/kristinahollis81/Mobile%20Uploads/20150519_103207_zpslxg75hpq.jpg

http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y339/kristinahollis81/Mobile%20Uploads/20150519_103248_zpsc3al3lys.jpg

http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y339/kristinahollis81/Mobile%20Uploads/20150519_103044_zpsvrpfnmbo.jpg

AmyBeth
May 21st, 2015, 01:32 PM
As one 1b to another, I can't really help you, because I feel that my hair is what it is and I accept it. I just stopped in to say- what are you talking about? Your hair doesn't look either frizzy or stringy to me!! It looks utterly gorgeous to me! Shiny, full, smooth- what more could any of us want? And that color is to die for. Have a nice day:grin:

Wusel
May 21st, 2015, 01:40 PM
Same here. 1b. Accepted the texture. And I too think, your hair is wonderful. I don't see any problem with it.

Arctic
May 21st, 2015, 02:04 PM
I think you are wavier than 1b. :flowers:

Nique1202
May 21st, 2015, 02:21 PM
You have a few shorter hairs growing in after being shed, but I don't see any frizziness, just flyaways. Is it possible you're mis-identifying coarse hair for feeling frizzy?

As for suggestions, first it would be helpful to have some background on what you're doing now that's leading you to your unhappiness with your hair.

-Do you use shampoo?
-Where do you notice the buildup/weighed-down-ness if you use leave-ins? Were you applying them all the way to the scalp, or keeping them away from the roots?
-Do you use conditioner? Do you apply it all the way to your scalp, or keep it only from the shoulders down?
-Do you use any kind of oil or serum on your hair?

There are loads of heat-free styling options, from rag curls to french/dutch braid waves, and products like setting lotions to help the style stay in even if your hair normally doesn't like to. There's a whole thread about heat-free styling somewhere around here, it shouldn't be too far back at any given time.

LeMimi13
May 21st, 2015, 02:45 PM
Hm.. try heatless waves! Your hair looks gorgeous though!

starfire
May 21st, 2015, 02:55 PM
Your hair looks wonderful (and such a lovely color)!

divinedobbie
May 21st, 2015, 03:01 PM
I think you are more of a 1c based on the first picture, unless those are bumps from a ponytail or something?

Anyway I don't see any frizz or anything wrong with your hair, it looks perfectly smooth and shiny to me. All I'm seeing is a few flyaways, but every hair type has those.

texangrrl
May 21st, 2015, 03:01 PM
As one 1b to another, I can't really help you, because I feel that my hair is what it is and I accept it. I just stopped in to say- what are you talking about? Your hair doesn't look either frizzy or stringy to me!! It looks utterly gorgeous to me! Shiny, full, smooth- what more could any of us want? And that color is to die for. Have a nice day:grin:

Thank you for your kind words!!


Same here. 1b. Accepted the texture. And I too think, your hair is wonderful. I don't see any problem with it.

Lol, maybe I should just accept it and move on? Thank you though!


I think you are wavier than 1b. :flowers:

Really? I thought 1b was mostly straight with some slight wave. It's certainly not a 2a. Maybe a 1c?


You have a few shorter hairs growing in after being shed, but I don't see any frizziness, just flyaways. Is it possible you're mis-identifying coarse hair for feeling frizzy?

As for suggestions, first it would be helpful to have some background on what you're doing now that's leading you to your unhappiness with your hair.

-Do you use shampoo?
-Where do you notice the buildup/weighed-down-ness if you use leave-ins? Were you applying them all the way to the scalp, or keeping them away from the roots?
-Do you use conditioner? Do you apply it all the way to your scalp, or keep it only from the shoulders down?
-Do you use any kind of oil or serum on your hair?

There are loads of heat-free styling options, from rag curls to french/dutch braid waves, and products like setting lotions to help the style stay in even if your hair normally doesn't like to. There's a whole thread about heat-free styling somewhere around here, it shouldn't be too far back at any given time.


Hm.. try heatless waves! Your hair looks gorgeous though!

Maybe I'm confusing the flyaways with frizzies? But I'm not really sure I know the diffrence between the two. I don't think my hair is course - quite the opposite. Anytime someone has messed with my hair, I get complimented on how soft it is.

I do use Suave Naturals shampoo, but only on my scalp and I Suave Naturals conditioner. I've found that anything else seems too heavy and just sits on my hair, creating a heavy waxy feeling. However, I'm actually going to try and make a switch to shampoo bars in the next couple of weeks because I want to go with a more organic, natural hair care routine. I use oil occasionally, but only pre-poo. Maybe I just need to find a nice, light oil to apply to get a smoother look?

texangrrl
May 21st, 2015, 03:05 PM
Your hair looks wonderful (and such a lovely color)!

Thank you!! :)


I think you are more of a 1c based on the first picture, unless those are bumps from a ponytail or something?

Anyway I don't see any frizz or anything wrong with your hair, it looks perfectly smooth and shiny to me. All I'm seeing is a few flyaways, but every hair type has those.

No ponytail bumps - those are there naturally. Another user mentioned flyaways, so I guess I'm getting those confused with frizzies, lol. Sounds like I just need to find something to tame those..

Arctic
May 21st, 2015, 03:21 PM
I agree with others, your hair has very smooth surface to my eye. No-one has all hair at same length and aligned just so, and when taking close up photos, there is always some hairs out of place.

Your hair is extremely pretty, I forgot to write that in my first post :)

As for hairtyping, I'm not very good at it. But to my understanding 1b is straight with tiny bit of bodywave (volume) and maybe some bendy ends. 1a would lack all of those. 1 c would start to have few more waves and maybe even more volume than 1b.

Now this is not a hairtyping photo you have here, you wrote that it's brushed. But the photo tells me your waves, at least some of them seem to be pretty strong. 1b+c often has waves that comb out easily. You middle photo seems more straight and that I would say 1b. But the other two, the wave patters looks a lot how my canopy looked when it was typed 2a (my hair is straigher now, and my canopy and underlayers were of different texture). Now I realize it's contradictory to suggest 1 b and 2a from photos taken at the same time. So maybe 1 c?

If you have interest and time in near future, why not have a proper hair typing photos taken?

texangrrl
May 21st, 2015, 03:35 PM
I'm not sure if this is considered a proper hair typing photo, but here it is. There is a little bit more wave underneath my top hairs on the left side.

http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y339/kristinahollis81/20150521_152740_zpscwyrbndp.jpg

Arctic
May 21st, 2015, 03:40 PM
Okay, I see, your closeup photos made it appear it is more wavy. This photo I might put into the 1b category, maybe 1b/c.

A proper hairtyping photo is one taken after washing and airdrying without combing, touching (fingercombing, playing with hair etc) or brushing.


I need to say it again, that to my eye your hair surface is very smooth looking, no frizz anywhere in sight. Very shiny!

Nique1202
May 21st, 2015, 03:41 PM
Thank you for your kind words!!

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Maybe I'm confusing the flyaways with frizzies? But I'm not really sure I know the diffrence between the two. I don't think my hair is course - quite the opposite. Anytime someone has messed with my hair, I get complimented on how soft it is.

I do use Suave Naturals shampoo, but only on my scalp and I Suave Naturals conditioner. I've found that anything else seems too heavy and just sits on my hair, creating a heavy waxy feeling. However, I'm actually going to try and make a switch to shampoo bars in the next couple of weeks because I want to go with a more organic, natural hair care routine. I use oil occasionally, but only pre-poo. Maybe I just need to find a nice, light oil to apply to get a smoother look?

Frizz is a texture thing, a feeling, as much as an appearance. Your hair is generally smooth with a few hairs sticking out. That's less frizz and more flyaway. Frizz is more like, when every hair seems to want to stick out in a different direction, and it feels rougher and is less cooperative.

Natural is overrated and unregulated and can be used as a label on any product that contains a single not-human-made ingredient. Like, salt is natural, but in large quantities it will dry hair out (even though it's often used to give beach-wave effects). Poison ivy is natural but I wouldn't want it anywhere NEAR my scalp! :laugh: But seriously, there's a reason that commercial shampoos and conditioners are so successful: they're designed just to work effectively on hair. You just might not have found the right ones for your particular needs yet.

If you feel things are heavy or weigh your hair down quickly, then you may be better off using a more sulfate-y or at least more cleansing/clarifying kind of shampoo rather than a "natural" or sulfate-free one, to make sure that your hair has as little buildup as possible. Buildup can also cause wave patterns to be disrupted, so clarifying and using a stronger shampoo might give you more of the waves you crave. You may have to use a heavier conditioner afterward, but as long as you don't apply it above your shoulders it shouldn't weigh your hair down the way you describe it, and it's totally possible that your current conditioner will still work.

If you do want to use an oil after washing, you can try a drop of whatever you're using pre-shampoo now, or whatever's in your kitchen. Just take one or two drops, rub them all over your fingers as if your fingers need the oil and not your hair, and then fingercomb through the length of the hair. If your fingers lose the "shine" of the oil, add one more drop, spread it around, and keep fingercombing. You don't want your hair to look super greasy, you just want to get a little bit of oil everywhere.

If you plan to change any of the products you use or add anything, do it one item at a time and give it a few washes in between so you can really see how your hair is reacting to the change. Changing shampoo and conditioner and adding oil all at once might shock your hair and you won't know what's causing the biggest problem.

rhosyn_du
May 21st, 2015, 03:45 PM
Hair typing photos have less to do with the photo and more to do with what you've done with your hair. To get the most accurate idea of your hair type, you want to let it dry without manipulating it, including brushing or combing, after your final rinse in the shower. If that's accurate for the photo you posted, then I'd say you're a 1b/1c. Otherwise, you've probably got a bit more wave and might want to consider doing a proper hair type photo.

Regardless of type, you've got lovely hair. I definitely wouldn't ever call it frizzy.

tigereye
May 21st, 2015, 04:05 PM
Your hair looks kind of like mine, so I'd say you're definitely waiver than you first thought.
That said, I don't have much advice. My hair is frizzy at the end because it's not straight, but not wavy or curly enough to clump together, plus my hair hates oil and I've run out of panacea (nightbloomings panacea was a major discovery for me, but since I'm all over the country just now which makes shipping awkward). Plus, I get flyaways from my finer hairs on top of that, especially right now as my major health/medication-related shed is just growing back in.

texangrrl
May 21st, 2015, 04:13 PM
Frizz is a texture thing, a feeling, as much as an appearance. Your hair is generally smooth with a few hairs sticking out. That's less frizz and more flyaway. Frizz is more like, when every hair seems to want to stick out in a different direction, and it feels rougher and is less cooperative.

Natural is overrated and unregulated and can be used as a label on any product that contains a single not-human-made ingredient. Like, salt is natural, but in large quantities it will dry hair out (even though it's often used to give beach-wave effects). Poison ivy is natural but I wouldn't want it anywhere NEAR my scalp! :laugh: But seriously, there's a reason that commercial shampoos and conditioners are so successful: they're designed just to work effectively on hair. You just might not have found the right ones for your particular needs yet.

If you feel things are heavy or weigh your hair down quickly, then you may be better off using a more sulfate-y or at least more cleansing/clarifying kind of shampoo rather than a "natural" or sulfate-free one, to make sure that your hair has as little buildup as possible. Buildup can also cause wave patterns to be disrupted, so clarifying and using a stronger shampoo might give you more of the waves you crave. You may have to use a heavier conditioner afterward, but as long as you don't apply it above your shoulders it shouldn't weigh your hair down the way you describe it, and it's totally possible that your current conditioner will still work.

If you do want to use an oil after washing, you can try a drop of whatever you're using pre-shampoo now, or whatever's in your kitchen. Just take one or two drops, rub them all over your fingers as if your fingers need the oil and not your hair, and then fingercomb through the length of the hair. If your fingers lose the "shine" of the oil, add one more drop, spread it around, and keep fingercombing. You don't want your hair to look super greasy, you just want to get a little bit of oil everywhere.

If you plan to change any of the products you use or add anything, do it one item at a time and give it a few washes in between so you can really see how your hair is reacting to the change. Changing shampoo and conditioner and adding oil all at once might shock your hair and you won't know what's causing the biggest problem.

Thank you! I just might try that with the oil and go from there. I'll have to find a light oil though because my hair doesn't seem to absorb them too well.

texangrrl
May 21st, 2015, 04:14 PM
Your hair looks kind of like mine, so I'd say you're definitely waiver than you first thought.
That said, I don't have much advice. My hair is frizzy at the end because it's not straight, but not wavy or curly enough to clump together, plus my hair hates oil and I've run out of panacea (nightbloomings panacea was a major discovery for me, but since I'm all over the country just now which makes shipping awkward). Plus, I get flyaways from my finer hairs on top of that, especially right now as my major health/medication-related shed is just growing back in.

I've heard a lot about her panacea. I just recently ordered some Yemeni henna from her - I should've bought a sample of that or maybe a sample of one of her lighter oils.

yahirwaO.o
May 21st, 2015, 10:22 PM
Yes, I think you are more towards 1C and maybe more wavy bits. 1B are like weird ¨bends¨ going on.

Those frizzes are totally common and ok. Your hair is just pretty and color lovely.

ExpectoPatronum
May 22nd, 2015, 12:57 AM
Girrrrrrrl I wish I had your hair! It's so sleek and shiny and smooth. :heartbeat

The grass is always greener, they say.

Estrid
May 22nd, 2015, 01:28 AM
The texture of your hair looks just like my hair in those first pictures you shared, and I have to admit that I too have been like: why is my hair not sleek and shiny? :p I think I have more frizz/flyaways than you though, and sometimes it can look shiny (like the other photo you shared), but for me it is more usual for it to look a bit rough. The fact that the hair underneath (like at my nape) feels smoother makes me think that it is the wind/air that does it or that it is dry (like, the hair underneath touch my neck = more oils get to it?).

tigereye
May 22nd, 2015, 04:37 AM
The texture of your hair looks just like my hair in those first pictures you shared, and I have to admit that I too have been like: why is my hair not sleek and shiny? :p I think I have more frizz/flyaways than you though, and sometimes it can look shiny (like the other photo you shared), but for me it is more usual for it to look a bit rough. The fact that the hair underneath (like at my nape) feels smoother makes me think that it is the wind/air that does it or that it is dry (like, the hair underneath touch my neck = more oils get to it?).

Yep, yesterday, my hair was all frizzy, today, its sitting mostly smooth.

The other thing I find is that the hair underneath is smoother, but I feel it's because of the weight of the canopy sitting on top - if I put it in a ponytail (which I admit, is a rarity at near classic) the hairs underneath fly and frizz as much as the rest of my hair. The other thing is that I find the hairs there are finer and dry significantly faster than the rest of my hair.

Calaelen
May 22nd, 2015, 06:51 AM
After looking at all the pics you've provided, I think you might be more wavy than you think, like others have said. Henna can take out curl and wave pattern, and I think this is what I am seeing.

Your hair does look Medium to me. Just as you've typed it, but the henna coats the shaft of each hair, and makes it appear more coarse than in it's natural state This does not mean your hair isn't soft, rather it is an indicator of how thick the hair shaft is. Your hair looks EXTREMELY healthy, not frizzy at all, and what you are referring to as frizz are actually younger hairs that are growing at a different rate than the longer hair. This is normal and actually is a great sign your hair is growing well.
All in all your hair looks to me to be in this state 1b-1c/M-C/iii but I think it would be a 2a/M/iii if completely virgin.

So, for advice, it depends where you want to go from here. You have wave pattern, and that isn't going to change without extreme measures that will be damaging either immediately or in the long run. Further henna use may result in a less defined wave pattern, and it looks beautiful, so I am not saying to discontinue it!

From the pics, your hair looks very healthy. So you're doing a lot right, that's for sure. Maybe try to give it more moisture? I find the more moisturized my hair is, the less of the complaints you mention I have to deal with. My hair is 1c/f/iii the way I take care of it now, so I do know what having hair that is not stick straight and sleek nor "wavy enough to just go with it" is like. At my length (3 inches shy of knee) a lot of my wave pattern gets pulled out due to the weight of my hair. You have that to look forward to. Henna, Moisture, and brushing/combing will all contribute to hair that falls straighter as well. The only other thing I can think to mention in an attempt to get it to look straighter with no heat would be this wrapping method https://www.google.ca/#q=wrapping+hair+for+straightening You may need to see several links to get an idea of what would work best for you, hence my not sending a certain tutorial.

:flower: to you. Your hair is a lot nicer than you feel it is when it's frustrating you.