Hair falls a lot more while oily?

[Illryeth]

I have always wondered about this. Whenever my hair gets oily (which is sadly on the second day after washing it) my hair falls a lot more than it does when its clean! Double, or three times as much! I thought that is because the follicles are clogged, so I started clarifying every week with the same result, but I still thought maybe my roots are getting very easily clogged so it has to be that... however... I notice that whenever I make an oil treatment for my hair, I get the same effect - hair falls so much more than usually. It doesnt matter which oil I use, olive oil, coconut oil, sunflower oil, castor oil... soon I will try it also with argan oil but I dont put my hopes up. It also doesnt matter if I use too little or too much.

So I wonder if any of you have the same effect when using oils on your roots?
Does your hair simply fall a lot more than normally?
Why is it that the hair falls when I apply an oil treatment?
Is that just hair that was already meant to fall of and I just notice it while oiling because I am massaging and passing my hands through my hair?

I seem to have a lot of new hairs growing out now but it still makes me a bit concerned :(.
I hope this is a normal reaction and it is not bad in any way because oils seemed to be the only thing that helped my hair strands to cope a bit with the dryness on the long run :(.

Thank you for taking your time to read this! :grouphug:

[cat11]

ALOT of people have increased hair fall when using oils. Sometimes the manioulation makes hairs that were already gonna fall out come out sooner or stick to your hands, sometimes it is causing legitimate shedding. It depends on how many hairs and the person.. I personally only use oils from like the ears down. maybe a scalp massage before a wash but I dont really do that anymore.

New hairs is good though!

But the answer to your question is yes this is very common

[lapushka]

That your hair falls out more after wash day is perfectly normal. The oilier my hair gets, as the days go on, the more my hair falls out. If it is still all within the range of 100 a day, you're fine. If, however, you put an oil on your scalp and you see more than a "normal" shed, then I would stop doing that.

[Nadine <3]

This is pretty common. If I put oils on my scalp I shed handfuls. Sometimes if my canopy feels dry I'll smooth oil over those hairs an hour or so before I wash. I never rub it into my scalp though, just smoothed over the top and this seems fine.

[catasa]

Yes! This is the reason I have decided never again to try to stretch washes, I will just keep washing every second day (until it stops getting so oily of course, if that will ever happen). I have never tried an oil treatment of the scalp but I shed a lot when I was doing conditioner only washing (and stupidly did not realize it, or the reason, until it was quite decimated. But it has grown back in :) ) I am careful nowadays never to get anything other than shampoo and ACV on my scalp!

[Illryeth]

Thank you so much ladies for your advices and calming me down!!! :D :grouphug:

[yahirwaO.o]

Yes! This is the reason I have decided never again to try to stretch washes, I will just keep washing every second day (until it stops getting so oily of course, if that will ever happen). I have never tried an oil treatment of the scalp but I shed a lot when I was doing conditioner only washing (and stupidly did not realize it, or the reason, until it was quite decimated. But it has grown back in :) ) I am careful nowadays never to get anything other than shampoo and ACV on my scalp!

Pretty much the same story. Now I wash my hair every other day. Oiling my scalp and also too much maniulation makes shed more noticiable.

[Sarahlabyrinth]

I never oil my scalp, I reason that it produces its own oils, so I shouldn't need to. When I do oil my hair I do it from ear level down to the ends. The cleanliness of my hair doesn't seem to affect my shedding rate.

[Illryeth]

I started oiling my scalp because I have read on a few blogs about how it helps the scalp, the hair growth and how it reduces hair fall... but I didnt really get those effects, on the contrary :D... so I think I will just take your advice and stop oiling the scalp only the ends as my hair is too oily to begin with! :grouphug:
I also heard that if I oil my scalp it will kind of trick it to produce less oil, but until now that didnt happen either... :(

[lapushka]

I also heard that if I oil my scalp it will kind of trick it to produce less oil, but until now that didnt happen either... :(

I've been here for almost 10 years, and that's the first time I heard that.

[Illryeth]

I've been here for almost 10 years, and that's the first time I heard that.

No here I havent read it either, :( as I said it was on a few blogs that I read about hair oils and I remember of some of them stating that if you regularly use jojoba oil on your scalp it helps balance the oil production since jojoba oil is apparently very similar to the sebum our scalp produces.

[Illryeth]

For example here:
http://thejojobaoil.com/hair/

"It helps to balance the sebum production in the scalp and helps promote a healthy shine to your hair and also regulates the flow of sebum in clogged pores. This way, it balances the amount of oil on your scalp perfectly."

[lapushka]

For example here:
http://thejojobaoil.com/hair/

"It helps to balance the sebum production in the scalp and helps promote a healthy shine to your hair and also regulates the flow of sebum in clogged pores. This way, it balances the amount of oil on your scalp perfectly."

Yes but it doesn't really say it makes your hair less oily over time.

[Illryeth]

Yes but it doesn't really say it makes your hair less oily over time.

I am sorry :( I thought that was what meant to "balance the sebum production"...

[lapushka]

I am sorry :( I thought that was what meant to "balance the sebum production"...

Hmm. Could be. It's kind of blurry, though, isn't it? You can take it to mean what you want...

[Illryeth]

Hmm. Could be. It's kind of blurry, though, isn't it? You can take it to mean what you want...

Yes it is very blurry :( I read about it on a few blogs but no one really shared a "test" to see if something does really change after a while... I was skeptical on how could oil help you produce less oil, but I was also desperate :D...

[Deborah]

No, oil does not cause one's hair to fall out. Otherwise those who have practiced no washing at all for several years would all be bald by now.

Also, many of our members oil their hair quite often, some even daily. Surely they would quit if it were causing them to lose any significant amount of hair.

[Illryeth]

No, oil does not cause one's hair to fall out. Otherwise those who have practiced no washing at all for several years would all be bald by now.

Also, many of our members oil their hair quite often, some even daily. Surely they would quit if it were causing them to lose any significant amount of hair.

That is strange... I have indeed seen a thread yesterday that was about "Sebum Only" I think (I dont remember the name clearly), and I havent heard about it ever until I joined TLHC and so many people explained how it worked for them... but I guess every head is different because if I would do that I am sure I would lose half of my hair, and other people have also experienced shedding because of oily hair :(...
Now I have also heard about what you said, that some people oil their hair daily and that it really helps but I dont think I could do it either.

[ChloeDharma]

If I leave my hair, well scalp, too long between washes then I do start to shed more hairs to the point they come out in handfulls. I seem to get away with twice a week or even a week before this happens though. That said, my scalp loves oils applied to it. My growth does best with daily or almost daily oilings with certain oils and my shed rate goes right down when I do this. If oiling consistently makes you shed a lot then it might be an idea to just oil from a few inches away from your scalp, that way your hair still gets the benefits from it.

I have also read that oiling with certain oils reduces oil production on both the scalp and facial skin. The idea behind this is that if the skin is frequently cleansed then sebum production increases to compensate for the drying effect whereas oiling reduces the need to produce so much sebum.

[Arctic]

Well for some people, oil (any type: sebum, oils of plant/animal origin) and other "lubricating" ingredients (conditioner, aloe vera gel...) and also scalp stimulating (massages etc) does indeed cause extra hair fall. I have seen these threads pop up frequently during my membership here.

For others, these things case not problems, and can be even very helpful.

My scalp (and skin) gets irritated from any oils, and scalp can't stand conditioners either. I don't get hair fall, at least not extreme, but I get acne or skin infections. Not fun. So I avoid any and all oils (as is and in products) and avoid conditioner on my scalp.

I personally have heared the "oiling balanses the sebum production" claim, perhaps not particularly about scap, but about oily skin in general. This is one of the reasons people give you when they try to convince you that Oil Cleansing Method (I think it's called) would be good for acne and oily skin. I have seen this claim very often, in fact.

What people very often fall victims to is this: we are often very self-centered by nature, and think easily that if I have not heared this or if this does not happen to me, then everyone else who claims otherwise is wrong. BUt something a membership here at LHC has thought me, is that we come in all variations one can imagine and more: there is not one reaction everybody will get from treatment A. Product B does not work for everybody the same way. Method C does not give same results for everybody.

One thing that is imortant, keeping those things in mind, is to listen to one's own body and its reactions. Having a (hair) journal helps with that.

If you feel something makes your hair shed, and doesn't work for you, no matter how many people say NO this should not have that kind of effect! ...you can trust your body more.

Also, I think having straight, fine hair on the thinner side with oily skin/scalp, this is a hairtype that gets oily fast from it's natural oils. I know because I used to have this hairtype. I am quite sure the scalp oiling is more beneficial to those who have drier skin/scalp, thicker coarser, maybe curly hair.

One more thing about the scalp oiling causing shedding. I have not seen really why is causes this reaction on some. I have seen assumptions that maybe the oil/conditoner/lubricant loosens up hairs that were about to fall anyway. It sounds plausible, but if that's the case, then why some people actually experience their hair thickness getting smaller on longer term usage. I think there must be something else.

Anyway, It's always very interesting to read how different we are and how something that helps many people doesn't have same effects on others.


Sorry about rambling and fragmented post :) My break is over and I need to get back to work and I tried to cram all my thoughts into one posts. :)

[Illryeth]

If I leave my hair, well scalp, too long between washes then I do start to shed more hairs to the point they come out in handfulls. I seem to get away with twice a week or even a week before this happens though. That said, my scalp loves oils applied to it. My growth does best with daily or almost daily oilings with certain oils and my shed rate goes right down when I do this. If oiling consistently makes you shed a lot then it might be an idea to just oil from a few inches away from your scalp, that way your hair still gets the benefits from it.

I have also read that oiling with certain oils reduces oil production on both the scalp and facial skin. The idea behind this is that if the skin is frequently cleansed then sebum production increases to compensate for the drying effect whereas oiling reduces the need to produce so much sebum.

Thank you very much for your response! I am very happy to hear that oiling your scalp helps you with growth and shedding! :grouphug:
Yes, I have also read about that, this is why I was so confused :(... I have read so many pages about how beneficial oils are for your hair (and skin, and body health anddddd.......) and I heard many explanations why they should work, one explanation was the one you said about the skin being dry and our sebum increasing to help against the dryness, another thing I read was that oils are helping unclog the sebum at the scalp, aiding with dandruff and other scalp conditions.

[Illryeth]

Well for some people, oil (any type: sebum, oils of plant/animal origin) and other "lubricating" ingredients (conditioner, aloe vera gel...) and also scalp stimulating (massages etc) does indeed cause extra hair fall. I have seen these threads pop up frequently during my membership here.

For others, these things case not problems, and can be even very helpful.

My scalp (and skin) gets irritated from any oils, and scalp can't stand conditioners either. I don't get hair fall, at least not extreme, but I get acne or skin infections. Not fun. So I avoid any and all oils (as is and in products) and avoid conditioner on my scalp.

I personally have heared the "oiling balanses the sebum production" claim, perhaps not particularly about scap, but about oily skin in general. This is one of the reasons people give you when they try to convince you that Oil Cleansing Method (I think it's called) would be good for acne and oily skin. I have seen this claim very often, in fact.

What people very often fall victims to is this: we are often very self-centered by nature, and think easily that if I have not heared this or if this does not happen to me, then everyone else who claims otherwise is wrong. BUt something a membership here at LHC has thought me, is that we come in all variations one can imagine and more: there is not one reaction everybody will get from treatment A. Product B does not work for everybody the same way. Method C does not give same results for everybody.

One thing that is imortant, keeping those things in mind, is to listen to one's own body and its reactions. Having a (hair) journal helps with that.

If you feel something makes your hair shed, and doesn't work for you, no matter how many people say NO this should not have that kind of effect! ...you can trust your body more.

Also, I think having straight, fine hair on the thinner side with oily skin/scalp, this is a hairtype that gets oily fast from it's natural oils. I know because I used to have this hairtype. I am quite sure the scalp oiling is more beneficial to those who have drier skin/scalp, thicker coarser, maybe curly hair.

One more thing about the scalp oiling causing shedding. I have not seen really why is causes this reaction on some. I have seen assumptions that maybe the oil/conditoner/lubricant loosens up hairs that were about to fall anyway. It sounds plausible, but if that's the case, then why some people actually experience their hair thickness getting smaller on longer term usage. I think there must be something else.

Anyway, It's always very interesting to read how different we are and how something that helps many people doesn't have same effects on others.


Sorry about rambling and fragmented post :) My break is over and I need to get back to work and I tried to cram all my thoughts into one posts. :)

Thank you thank you thank youuuuu :grouphug:!!! You always help me so much!!! :D

Oh no then please keep oils and conditioners as away from your skin as you can!!!

Yes I have also heard about the oil cleansing method, I think it is like this (if I remember well)... that we use an oil of preference and massage it for a while on our face, supposedly it helps clean the pores of any impurities and then we remove the oil with a warm cloth, after that, proceeding with a tiny bit more of oil, kind of as we would use a face cream... I never tried it, I am too lazy to do that every day, so I just use soap :D...

I couldnt agree more with what you said! We are all very different and unfortunately there isnt only one formula that works for all of us, it would be great but unfortunately there isnt something like that. I have learned it the hard way, I asked most of my friends and then I started doing exactly what they were doing, expecting the same effects until I ruined my hair... so you are right... I have to just listen to my own body reacting!

Yes I also heard about that, only the hairs that were supposed to fall are falling but its strange they fall mostly only when I have very oily hair? or when I apply oil? Almost as if the oil provides them with the slip to run out! :D Oil you are supposed to help them not help them commit suicide!!! xD

Please dont be sorry, I love to read your posts!!! Thank you once more!!! :grouphug:

[ChloeDharma]

Thank you very much for your response! I am very happy to hear that oiling your scalp helps you with growth and shedding! :grouphug:
Yes, I have also read about that, this is why I was so confused :(... I have read so many pages about how beneficial oils are for your hair (and skin, and body health anddddd.......) and I heard many explanations why they should work, one explanation was the one you said about the skin being dry and our sebum increasing to help against the dryness, another thing I read was that oils are helping unclog the sebum at the scalp, aiding with dandruff and other scalp conditions.

The unclogging thing I have found works for me too. Sometimes I use jojoba oil when my scalp is really in need and I use oil on my face in the shower to dislidge the dirt etc that regular washing doesn't remove. Also as it softens the skin so much my skin feels much smoother after soaking in oil in the shower then being removed with a flannel. I also find it essential for removing eye makeup.

I don't say any of this with the intention of convincing you to use oil if your scalp doesn't like it but out of interest have you tried oil on your skin?

[Illryeth]

The unclogging thing I have found works for me too. Sometimes I use jojoba oil when my scalp is really in need and I use oil on my face in the shower to dislidge the dirt etc that regular washing doesn't remove. Also as it softens the skin so much my skin feels much smoother after soaking in oil in the shower then being removed with a flannel. I also find it essential for removing eye makeup.

I don't say any of this with the intention of convincing you to use oil if your scalp doesn't like it but out of interest have you tried oil on your skin?


Oh no please dont worry!!! I know you are not trying to convince me, and I appreciate your shared knowledge with me because I absolutely love getting to know more about hair care, and about how certain ingredients affect different people!
I find it so hard for me to wash my hair after having put oil in it :(, I keep my hair under water for many minutes and I find it so hard to remove it with only one application of shampoo, I dont know how the soap bar will work though!
One thing I do notice is that yesterday I applied argan oil excessively on my ends (from ear down mostly) and my hair looked like it was soaked in it :D but surprisingly now my hair is really moisturized and soft and no longer as oily!

I tried something with oil on my face almost a year ago, and it helped so much in calming my skin! (I have a few red spots that barely disappear within months!)... I just grabbed a tiny bottle of sweet almond oil from the beauty section in a normal store and decided to use it on my skin at night, before going to bed I washed my face with a tiny bit of soap, then I applied a lot of the sweet almond oil on a cotton pad and massaged that into my skin leaving it overnight! In the morning I would wash my face and apply a sunscreen lotion for face, and the redness reduced a lot, also the red spots werent as bumpy!!! Then I changed country and since I had coconut oil at home I decided to do the same, the smell was fantastic near my nose :D... but it felt somehow too heavy and I didnt get the same moisturized and nice feeling in the morning that I got from the sweet almond oil.

What other oils do you like to use besides the jojoba oil?

[endlessly]

I've noticed this problem in the past, too. For me, I thought it was because I was trying to stretch my washes - I had gone from washing every day to then every other, and finally to only 1-2 times per week - so I just assumed it was due to that. However, as soon as I stopped the heavy oilings, the shedding stopped as well. Now, I use just a bit of Argan Oil from time to time, and I haven't noticed any issues with that since it's much lighter. I wish I knew what it was about heavy oiling that made hair fall more heavily, maybe the follicles are being over-stimulated by massaging the oil in and they're falling out due to that? I'm not sure.

[Illryeth]

I've noticed this problem in the past, too. For me, I thought it was because I was trying to stretch my washes - I had gone from washing every day to then every other, and finally to only 1-2 times per week - so I just assumed it was due to that. However, as soon as I stopped the heavy oilings, the shedding stopped as well. Now, I use just a bit of Argan Oil from time to time, and I haven't noticed any issues with that since it's much lighter. I wish I knew what it was about heavy oiling that made hair fall more heavily, maybe the follicles are being over-stimulated by massaging the oil in and they're falling out due to that? I'm not sure.

Yes it is strange! :( I cant imagine any good reason why the hairs would just fall out! I remember once seeing a video on youtube, about how popular heavy oiling is for hair, and I mean it the man simply POURED oil on top of a little girls head :D! But that was not the only one I have seen, many indian women do it, and they have gorgeous hair, but their genetics play a much more important role in that I think :(...

[renia22]

This is a problem for me too. The first time I tried essential oils for shedding, I used a carrier oil, and it made the shedding worse, but when I switched to pure aloe as a base, this didn't happen and the shedding actually decreased. Not sure why that is, but I have noticed certain things make shedding worse on me. When I read about this happening to other people with various things, especially those of my own hair type, I take notice. I think there is something to it, but not sure why this is so, though.

[Super girl]

Henna is a natural herbal treatment for hair loss and hair conditioner. It also prevents from some hair problems like dandruff and keep your scalp and hair healthy and smooth. Henna acts as a good conditioner for hair and helps to growth hair fastly.

By applying henna regularly you can keep your hair healthy and stronger. And it is a good conditioner for hair growth, also protects from dandruff, itching and etc…

How to prepare henna for applying to hair
1. Take henna powder sufficient to the length of your hair

2. Add tea decoction sufficient to this powder and leave it entire night for coloring.

3. Next day morning add one or two table spoons of lemon juice.

4. Add cold water to make paste.

5. You can also add Gooseberry (Amla) that makes hair look beautiful.

6. For moisturizing hair you can add olive oil, egg and curd etc…

7. Leave this mixture for some time.

8. Apply to your hair scalp by using brush. You can apply it with your hands also but your fingertips getting colored with henna.

9. Keep it up to 45 minutes let the mixture dry.

10. Wash with less chemical shampoo using warm water.

How to apply henna to your hair
Apply with brush or hand: Start at the top and take a very small partition of your hair and apply henna using brush you can also apply with hands but wear gloves to avoid fingertips getting colored.

Apply henna to the roots: Use a lot of henna apply to the roots and cover the face while applying henna to the nearest roots of the face.

Apply to the total length of the hair: Starting from roots apply to the end of the hair by taking small portions. Make sure your next partition of hair is the closest to the section you just applied.

Twist the portion: Twist the every portion of the hair to which you applied henna.

Keep doing this, until you have applied henna to your entire head of hair. Leave the henna up to one or two hours for deeper color.

Rinse out all the henna: Use more water to clean the henna hair and rinse out up to all the henna removed. You can use cold or warm water to clean your henna hair.

Henna good conditioner for hair

You can add the following ingredients to make henna a good conditioner for hair.

Ingredients:

Henna powder - 2 cups

Alma powder - 1 cup

Methi powder - 2 tbsp

Lemon juice – 2 tbsp

Orange peel powder - 1 tbsp

Procedure:

Add and mix all the above ingredients and apply to your hair. Keep up to 45 minutes or one hour and rinse with warm water. Follow this twice a week for best result.

Henna herbal treatment for hair loss

There are so many causes to loss your hair, people use so many products and remedies to prevent hair fall. Henna is the best herbal treatment to prevent hair fall and other hair problems like dandruff and itching.

Ingredients:

Amla powder - 1 cup

Mehendi powder (henna) - 2 cups

Methi powder - 2 tbsp

Lemon -1

Egg white - 1

Procedure:

Mix all these ingredients and leave this mixture for some time. Apply this pack to your head and keep up to 45 minutes. Later rinse with warm water. Apply this pack once a week. Within 4 or 6 weeks you can see a drastic change with your hair-fall problem.

Henna for hair coloring

Most of the people use henna powder for getting color in a natural way. The following ingredients are required to get hair color naturally.

Ingredients:

Henna powder-2 cups

Amla powder-1/2 cup

Shikai powder-2spoons

Egg white-1

Lemon juice-2spoons

Tulasi powder-1spoon

Tea decoction- 1 cup

Procedure:

Get all the above ingredients and Mix all these ingredients before night with tea decoction and apply this mixture next day morning to your hair and keep it up to 45 minutes - 1 hour. Cover this hair pack with some plastic cap. So that it keeps your hair absorbs henna quickly. Later rinse with warm or cold water. Do this twice a week to get good hair color naturally.

[Scarlet_Heart]

I never oil my scalp, I reason that it produces its own oils, so I shouldn't need to. When I do oil my hair I do it from ear level down to the ends. The cleanliness of my hair doesn't seem to affect my shedding rate.

Same here! I can't get oil or conditioner anywhere near my scalp. Bad things happen. Unlike Sarahlabyrinth though, I do shed more the less I wash. So I wash every other day (warm months) to every 3 days (cold months). Oil from the ears down. I don't use conditioner at all.