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kochakaden
July 14th, 2014, 12:23 PM
Hello everyone!

Not so long ago, I had hair so thick that the stylist would thin it out for me at the salon. It's very fine, and I wore it waist-length for most of university. Then, about five years ago, it started massively, massively shedding. Thick and fine became thin and fine, not to mention scraggly and limp. I cut my length back to BSL and eventually to chin. The drain was constantly clogged and we had a plumber in twice because there was no way to put a hair trap in at that apartment. I went to the doctor to have iron, thyroid and anything else checked. Took Biotin daily, used the "Hair, Skin and Nails" vitamins, etc etc. Tried Nioxin and a few other speciality shampoos, scalp treatments, and the like. I henna'd for the first time after hearing that it was good for your hair, but I saw huge hairfall in the days after henna, so I went to see a "hair loss specialist" who told me that he believed the problem was clogged follicles. I signed on for ten very expensive treatments there, but discontinued them when I didn't see any immediate effect.

From there on I decided to try self-treating the "clogged follicles" issue and save myself the outrageous treatment fees, hoping this would really be the root of the problem. I started tracking the hairfall in the shower (shampooing every third day without brushing right before the shampoo) with a hair trap and settled on the best routine I could come up with. I'd shampoo once using Lush's "NEW" shampoo bar and then shampoo with Neutrogena T-Sal to remove gunk, leaving the T-Sal on for at least 3 minutes. Then I'd rinse with ACV and a squirt of jojoba oil, and sometimes with herbal tea. I did see some reduction in the hairfall after starting this regimen last October. I also noticed that my henna faded very very quickly. Eventually I started using Aveda's Invati scalp treatment twice a day as well, and did some coconut oil heat treatments to emulsify any sebum buildup. Lately I've started using Lush's "Roots" conditioning treatment as well, which really feels like it's invigorating my scalp.

I still feel like I lose too much hair, but I can't really remember anymore what the "normal" shed should be.

Either way, my hair is in a much better spot now than it was a year ago, and just yesterday I did henna for the first time since then (I was hesitant before because of the huge hairfall) using a 50/50 cassia/henna mix. I'm really pleased with it, but now I want to preserve it - without causing my earlier problems to return. I think I may need to switch off of some of these products to better protect the colour, but I'm uncertain which to continue with, and which new ones I might try. I just used up a shampoo bar so it's a good time to make this switch, I think. I have been using J&J Baby Shampoo since the bar ran out but I've heard it's not so great for adult hair. Would anyone have any recommendations for me on how to proceed from here?

Currently regularly using:
Lush "Roots" fine hair treatment (1x week, 30 minutes before shower)
Lush "NEW" Shampoo Bar (3x week for first wash), Neutrogena T-Sal Shampoo (3x week for second wash)
4 tbsp ACV and 1 tsp jojoba oil in a small bucket of warm water (3x week after shampooing)
Garnier Fructis Triple Nutrition Deep Conditioner (1x month)
Aveda Invati Scalp Revitalizer (1x day)

I got some sample size containers of Aveda's Madder Root products and Smooth Infusion shampoo so I'll be trying them soon, too.

I use Batiste Dry Shampoo to hold me over sometimes as well. Have tried making my own dry shampoos but they just feel awful in my hair and the application is so messy.

FYI, I almost never blow-dry or heat style (1-2 times a month at most). It looks much much better when I do, but I'm trying very hard to limit damage. My hair is not overly dry or overly oily, it's fairly normal; just fine - and now thin.

Any thoughts?

allycat
July 14th, 2014, 03:40 PM
That's a tough one, and I'm sorry to hear about your hair loss. I feel silly asking this because you've probably examined absolutely everything, but how is your diet?

lapushka
July 14th, 2014, 04:02 PM
Currently regularly using:
Lush "Roots" fine hair treatment (1x week, 30 minutes before shower)
Lush "NEW" Shampoo Bar (3x week for first wash), Neutrogena T-Sal Shampoo (3x week for second wash)
4 tbsp ACV and 1 tsp jojoba oil in a small bucket of warm water (3x week after shampooing)
Garnier Fructis Triple Nutrition Deep Conditioner (1x month)
Aveda Invati Scalp Revitalizer (1x day)

I think maybe washing it twice is a little too much. I'd do only the Neutrogena shampoo, if I were you. Do comb and brush your hair before you shampoo, as that gets all the sheds out, so it won't clog your drain later on. What is loose will come out, if not before then during the wash. I am sorry to hear about your thinning issues, but I have no answers for you either. Hang in there! :D :flower:

kochakaden
July 14th, 2014, 04:03 PM
Actually it's pretty good; I'm a runner and dancer, and I eat tons of vegetables and protein. Very little processed food. (My fitness goals also seem pretty insurmountable right now, but I'm trying!)

kochakaden
July 14th, 2014, 04:12 PM
Whoops, another reply appeared while I was writing mine. :)

I wash twice because sometimes I can't get any sort of foam going on the shampoo - want to make sure it's thoroughly cleared out. Especially if I run short on time and end up dry-shampooing that day, and regular-shampooing the next. I'll try to cut it down to one shampoo, though, especially if that might affect my colour!

Skipping the brushing is to help track how much hairfall I'm getting, so I know how things are working - with fine hair, it all ends up on the floor, not the brush, so it's tough to judge that if I comb/brush before shampooing. :P

allycat
July 14th, 2014, 04:18 PM
That sounds good. Fat and protein were what I was wondering about. My hair thickness increased when I went paleo/primal a few years ago and the biggest thing was how much I increased both of those things. I had this halo of new hair grow all over my head.

Good luck.

lapushka
July 14th, 2014, 04:41 PM
Skipping the brushing is to help track how much hairfall I'm getting, so I know how things are working - with fine hair, it all ends up on the floor, not the brush, so it's tough to judge that if I comb/brush before shampooing. :P

You could track how much sheds you're getting just as easily by combing/brushing before your wash. That ensures that not too much hair comes out in the shower, thus freeing up your drain system some. I can't stress enough how important it is to comb/brush before washing your hair, but if that's not something you are willing to do, then I can't help that. :o

Feathered
July 15th, 2014, 12:41 AM
I don't know a lot about it, but I wonder if maybe the thinning has something to do with hormonal changes from you being so athletic. I've heard of female athletes having skipped periods and hormonal changes that happens with an increase in athletic activity. Hormones can affect so many physical things and I'm pretty sure hair is one of them. Maybe getting your hormones checked out might answer some questions? I don't know. It's just a thought. In any case, I wish you luck with it.

kochakaden
July 15th, 2014, 01:39 PM
Thanks everyone, I really appreciate the advice and I am continuing to combat the hairfall problem now that it has lessened - this time around, though, I was really looking for product/care recommendations to care for the henna. I've only co-washed it since the application on Friday, and I'm nervous about using salicylic acid (in the T-Sal) because it's quite strong, so I was hoping to switch to something else.