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NataschaB.
June 16th, 2014, 02:21 PM
Hi!

I have noticed that I've got a lot of white dots. You know, the ones on the middle of the hair (ok, not the middle, but a bit above the ends if that makes any sense?) You can pull them and then they'll break off where the white dots are.

I wash my hair a couple of times a week using regular shampoo (sometimes sulfate free) and condition afterwards. I let my hair air dry and never use heat on it. I never brush it, I'm just combing it with my fingers. I do not color my hair.

So I'm wondering what could be causing these white dots? Any ideas? :)

Thanks! :)

Leeloo
June 16th, 2014, 02:27 PM
Not sure what kind of damage is causing white dots , but try the LOC method and see if it helps. There is a great thread on it here. I get the white dots too and maybe it's hair breaking from being too dry, so I'm trying out the loc method to see if it helps.

lunalocks
June 16th, 2014, 02:27 PM
I am hoping my white dots are the remnants of damage inflicted during my ponytail wearing days. I first noticed them around waist, but wasn't really looking for them prior to that.

Don't pull the hair to snap them - snip them off instead. I believe the white dot is a precursor to the split end.

Wildcat Diva
June 16th, 2014, 02:49 PM
Ah, the dreaded white dots. They stink. I hope you can figure out soon what is causing them and improve.

Maybe try a satin pillowcase and more protective hairstyles?

meteor
June 16th, 2014, 02:50 PM
It could be that your hair is very dry. I'd try different oils as pre-poo and leave-in and humectants: maybe experiment with an occasional SMT, when you condition your hair.
Also, minimize all mechanical damage: avoid rough tools and sleep on silk satin with hair contained.

Arachnid
June 16th, 2014, 03:21 PM
It could be the finger combing, as unlikely as it sounds, that's what caused mine. I CO once to twice a week leave it to air dry and always wear it up and still get them even thought my ends are healthy and shiny. I figured out that even though my hair doesn't really knot as it's straight and still relatively short (now here comes the bit where I start badly explaining what happens) as I run my fingers from root to tip, slowly and gently so I don't snag any hair, the hairs are all crossed over each other it can compound at the ends and the pressure of my fingers against the 'not quite a knot' bends the ends.

Now I lightly comb from the ends up (finger combing from the ends up is weirdly hard for me) on washday after my hair is dry, lightly oil my ends so there is less friction and I have no problems.

Not sure if that makes sense or is any help, if not just carry on like I was never here ;)

lapushka
June 16th, 2014, 03:27 PM
The link to the LOC method is in my signature. Definitely try it out, if you feel like experimenting. Less is more, though. Don't overuse products when doing the LOC method! Very important to use only minute amounts, and I do mean minute!

Normally white dots are caused by heat. I never in my life heard of white dots spontaneously occurring on hair, hair that wasn't heat treated.

Nadine <3
June 16th, 2014, 03:32 PM
I get those sometimes, they suck! I usually only get them on the edges of my hair where the hair takes a lot of abuse (like sleeping on my side) I have stupid layers there that I am trying to grow out. I pick through the hair there and cut out any damage I can find and I finally broke and bought a silk pillow case. I don't notice much of a difference with the pillow case, but we'll see.

restless
June 17th, 2014, 02:46 AM
I know you wrote that you dont use heat/dye etc, but could it be old damage by any chance? Have you used those things in the past and has all that old damage been cut out if so?

Its been like 3 years since I stopped with heat and dye over here, but my ends still get the occasional white dot because the last inches have gone through those things in the past.

ZenaZoo
June 17th, 2014, 03:12 AM
The link to the LOC method is in my signature. Definitely try it out, if you feel like experimenting. Less is more, though. Don't overuse products when doing the LOC method! Very important to use only minute amounts, and I do mean minute!

Normally white dots are caused by heat. I never in my life heard of white dots spontaneously occurring on hair, hair that wasn't heat treated.

I've never used heat on my hair and I have white dots that I keep s&d-ing. They drive me nuts!

lapushka
June 17th, 2014, 06:00 AM
I've never used heat on my hair and I have white dots that I keep s&d-ing. They drive me nuts!

A whole new world is opening itself to me. :lol: Sad, that even without heat this can happen - I still don't get why, though. It will remain a mystery to me.

neko_kawaii
June 17th, 2014, 06:15 AM
My hair that was never heat treated nor trimmed for three years was prone to white dots. The last 6-9 inches was very dry and after doing S&D and watching each snip create a new white dot I had all the dryness trimmed out. I still get the occasional white dot, but they remain gone when snipped off. So, that suggests that on my hair white dots are caused by breakage on dry ends as well as some other kind of breakage. Maybe a good clean snapped hair forms a white dot and then eventually starts to split?

Bitstuff
June 17th, 2014, 06:24 AM
Personal anecdote: I got tons of white dots when I did SO while on Roaccutane. In hindsight, my scalp was not producing enough oil to coat all the hair fully, it felt OK at the time but now I think it actually wasn't and the ends got the worst of it. Maybe sebum wasn't all the hair needed either. Since then, and after several henna (henndigo, keeping my natural colour) treatments, I've been getting MUCH fewer white dots. I used to have one on almost every single hair; inches up from the ends. It was so bad. I cut off several inches several times to get rid of them because there were so many. I recently S&D's after not doing it for almost a year and there were very few white dots. A number of splits but nothing crazy.

Therefore, I echo what everyone else is saying about adding to your routine. I think for me henna made the most of a difference but there are many things you can try as suggested if you don't want to colour your hair.

arr
June 17th, 2014, 06:56 AM
Another thought: do you wear your hair down regularly? Hair that is constantly rubbing on clothes, getting stuck in zippers or collars, under straps and seat belts and chairs, or whipping around in the wind is prone to tangles and breakage and getting worn out.

NataschaB.
June 18th, 2014, 02:09 PM
I just want to thank all of you for answering my question :)

I will definitely look into the LOC method! I just need to find a good leave in. Do any of you know a good one without silicones and protein? Well, actually I'm not sure my hair doesn't like protein. I've just heard that it can do more harm than good and therefore I'm trying not to use it too regularly.
My hair definitely needs moisture (I'm a curly :D), so I think the LOC method will do good.

lapushka and restless: maybe it's heat damage that just shows up now, idk. It wasn't the truth when I wrote that I never use heat. What I meant was that I rarely use it. I used a flat iron months back (maybe six months ago?), but that could probably have caused some damage. But, the flat ironing is something I do like.. Once a year maybe.
Could the white dots be caused by washing hair with water that's too hot?

arr: I both wear it up and down. But you're right, when it's down it gets tangled a lot faster.

Again, thanks so much for your time and help! :o :)

meteor
June 18th, 2014, 02:15 PM
I just want to thank all of you for answering my question :)

I will definitely look into the LOC method! I just need to find a good leave in. Do any of you know a good one without silicones and protein? Well, actually I'm not sure my hair doesn't like protein. I've just heard that it can do more harm than good and therefore I'm trying not to use it too regularly.
My hair definitely needs moisture (I'm a curly :D), so I think the LOC method will do good.

Many of us have great success with Nightblooming's Panacea products and there's a popular thread on it: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=50728
The ingredients are top-notch.

PiXiEmandy
June 18th, 2014, 07:04 PM
felling left out i have never had this "white dot"

meteor
June 18th, 2014, 07:06 PM
felling left out i have never had this "white dot"

That's a good thing! :D Congrats!

Sharysa
June 18th, 2014, 11:27 PM
I keep getting white dots despite the lack of former heat damage and better treatment of my hair. Is your hair wavy or curly, by any chance? Split ends are pretty much a fact of life for lots of people with textured hair.

serin blackwood
June 19th, 2014, 08:15 AM
Just FYI here are some microscope photos I took of mid shaft white dots (about an inch from the ends). I believe mine may be caused by old damage - I haven't used heat for 5 years or so.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/cshprd/158c8fb155d592d3b5e3db814224e489_zps105c7a1c.jpg (http://s31.photobucket.com/user/cshprd/media/158c8fb155d592d3b5e3db814224e489_zps105c7a1c.jpg.h tml)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/cshprd/image_zps14d1d189.jpg (http://s31.photobucket.com/user/cshprd/media/image_zps14d1d189.jpg.html)

And this is a pic of a white dot on the end of a hair:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/cshprd/imagejpg1_zps6c99bc28.jpg (http://s31.photobucket.com/user/cshprd/media/imagejpg1_zps6c99bc28.jpg.html)

meteor
June 19th, 2014, 08:59 AM
Thanks a lot for posting those photos, serin blackwood! Great stuff! :)


A whole new world is opening itself to me. :lol: Sad, that even without heat this can happen - I still don't get why, though. It will remain a mystery to me.
White dots are always a manifestation of damage (split ends might develop in those spots over time)... but there are so many potential causes of damage. If the hair is F and is prone to splits or other damage while you have a great routine, I'd recommend getting even gentler with hair. Beware of mechanical damage - maybe look over your detangling tools (even good ones like TT can cause this to F hair) and analyze where you can further improve your day and night routine (with a third of life spent sleeping you want to perfect your night routine down to a tee).

meteor
June 19th, 2014, 09:09 AM
I keep getting white dots despite the lack of former heat damage and better treatment of my hair. Is your hair wavy or curly, by any chance? Split ends are pretty much a fact of life for lots of people with textured hair.

It's important to minimize those white dots as much as possible, because white dots are weakest points where hair can break.
And you are right, textured (especially kinky-curly) hair needs more care. It's really all in the shape: curly pattern makes hair a bit more breakable just by virtue of its shape being less resistant to breakage.
I recommend the Hair Science website by L'Oreal for some interesting hair info.
http://www.hair-science.com/_int/_en/topic/topic_sousrub.aspx?tc=root-hair-science^so-sturdy-so-fragile^properties-of-hair&cur=properties-of-hair
"These properties vary greatly depending on the shape of the hair.
Breaking under a strain of 60 grams after an elongation of 40%, African hair seems to be the most fragile. At the other end of the scale, Asian hair is the strongest, withstanding a weight of 100 grams and an elongation of 55%. For either of these features Caucasian hair occupies an intermediate position.
However, by extrapolating these various measurements to equal shapes and surface areas, scientists can show that hair from these three ethnic groups behaves in an intrinsically comparable fashion and can thus confirm a common structure for all the world's hair."

Feathered
June 19th, 2014, 12:21 PM
Just FYI here are some microscope photos I took of mid shaft white dots (about an inch from the ends). I believe mine may be caused by old damage - I haven't used heat for 5 years or so.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/cshprd/158c8fb155d592d3b5e3db814224e489_zps105c7a1c.jpg (http://s31.photobucket.com/user/cshprd/media/158c8fb155d592d3b5e3db814224e489_zps105c7a1c.jpg.h tml)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/cshprd/image_zps14d1d189.jpg (http://s31.photobucket.com/user/cshprd/media/image_zps14d1d189.jpg.html)

And this is a pic of a white dot on the end of a hair:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/cshprd/imagejpg1_zps6c99bc28.jpg (http://s31.photobucket.com/user/cshprd/media/imagejpg1_zps6c99bc28.jpg.html)

This is very interesting. I've wondered what white spots look like under a microscope. Thank you for posting this. :)

jacqueline101
June 19th, 2014, 01:05 PM
I had them this winter I think dryness caused mine and I stopped oiling too. I found out oil plus wearing it up helped. I use my oil misted on my hair.

ravenheather
June 19th, 2014, 02:41 PM
I have a tendency to get white dots. Very few splits though. I am getting less with more moisture on my ends. Only heat my hair saw was blowdrying 3 years ago before I decided to grow it out.

PiXiEmandy
June 19th, 2014, 04:43 PM
The pictures of the damage will be stuff of night terrors . As for my hair it is curly long turd like curls that i cant make go away, so i keep it up most the time, My mother made me oil and keep my hair safe as a child we have never owned and heated hair toys so i wouldn't know how to use them.