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KM
December 23rd, 2013, 11:05 PM
Hi everyone,
Looking for help here please :)

Heres a a little background on my hair:
its mid back length, straight, brown, sort of thin ish. Grows pretty quickly. I started the BS/ACV no shampoo method about 1.5 yrs ago. Before that I had flaky, super itchy scalp problems. I mean super itchy & tried many different shampoos/conditioners but nothing helped. So I went for the BS/ACV method and had a very oily transition period. After a few wks I finally used some lemon juice to dry it out bc I couldnt stand it. After that I just used BS/ACV for about 9 months. Then I read that jojoba oil is good to add to the ACV bc it closely resembles sebum and helps balance the scalp. My scalp was still very flaky and itchy, though not quite as itchy which was nice. I only use about 3 drops of jojoba so it's not too much.
Still battling the itchies and a very flakey scalp I searched for more options.
I recently read about honey diluted in water being great for scalp and flakiness. So I started that and then sometimes still do the jojoba/ACV rinse after the honey.
Now my hair is oily & driving me nuts again but I still have this dry flaky scalp. It's been a few wks now. It's driving me crazy. I just want normal hair again, & figuring out this scalp stuff would be great. I'm wondering if I need to try clay of some type? I tried aloe a few times about 6 months ago but didn't notice a difference and it was super messy so I gave that up. I've also tried rosemary and lavender essential oil in the ACV rinse periodically but never noticed any improvement with those either (tho admittedly I was not consistent w these for any long amount of time).
I don't know what to do now :( nothing seems to help - natural or conventional. Any help would be MUCH appreciated.
Thoughts?
Thank you!!!

biogirl87
December 23rd, 2013, 11:14 PM
KM, baking soda tends to be very drying to hair. Between October 2011 and April 2012 I was using baking soda and apple cider vinegar to wash my hair and while my hair was okay with this routine at the beginning, at the end my hair (and maybe even my scalp, I cannot remember) was (were) dry. I ended up going back to my regular shampoo.

I would suggest stopping the use of baking soda and apple cider vinegar and starting to use sulfate-free shampoo to wash your hair. Depending on the cause of your oily scalp, you may be better off with sulfate shampoo.

biogirl87
December 23rd, 2013, 11:16 PM
KM, also, with the changes that you make to your routine I would suggest trying each change for two weeks (unless you are like me and putting oil or conditioner on your scalp leads to more hairs coming out in the shower when you are washing your hair). I think it is possible that you have done too much to your hair at once.

BlueMajorelle
December 23rd, 2013, 11:23 PM
I also suffered a dry and itchy scalp. I use sulfate free shampoo/conditioner and only use ACV rinse once every other third washing or so. I tried baking soda once and I had a huge mess.

Flor
December 23rd, 2013, 11:42 PM
KM, baking soda tends to be very drying to hair.

OP complained about OILY hair, not dry.

KM, you might consider properly shampooing your length to get rid of the excess oils. If you're afraid to irritate your scalp, then really only shampoo the length, don't get it anywhere close to your roots. That should reset it for you. Dilute shampoo a lot, it should help.

For me, I've tried baking soda, I've tried water-only, I've tried lemon rinses. I'm back to using shampoo bars. Beauty of convenience and guaranteed results without having to investigate ingredient lists of commercial shampoos.

Mayflower
December 24th, 2013, 05:15 AM
I have itchy and flaky scalp too (mostly in winter), though not as severe as you. At the moment the only thing that seems to keep it somewhat under control is using a gentle, but sulfate containing shampoo, with as less ingredients as possible. What helps even more is doing a pre-shampoo mask. Last night I combined yogurt, honey, coconut oil and my regular conditioner for the first time, and I found it worked a lot better than using coconut oil on its own. It really soothed my scalp and made my hair super soft (I did honey, yogurt and coconut oil on my scalp and added the conditioner to the mixture when coating my hair).

Also: try brushing and massaging the scalp before you wash it so you loosen up the flakes and dirt. Not using very hot water when washing because that dries out the skin, I use lukewarm water and finish off with a very cold rinse.
Make sure to use an air humidifier or simply put bowls with water around the house to keep the air somewhat moist.

I plan on trying another sulfate-free, more natural shampoo because I like to use as less chemicals as possible. But if that doesn't work out, I will have to accept that some scalps just do better with sulfates.

ravenreed
December 24th, 2013, 09:22 AM
Have a dermatologist check your scalp. There might be a medical reason for the itching and flaking that needs treating. Going CO and consistently using an ACV rinse afterwards helped me out with my flaking and itchiness, but they were never very bad. If I use baking soda on my scalp ( I mix it with a bit of shampoo for clarifying occasionally), I do get scalp flakies.

YamaMaya
December 24th, 2013, 11:18 AM
BS/ACV had disasterous results for me, it dried out my hair so much it started to break off every time I brushed. I had to give it up and soon after my hair stopped with all the breaking. I comprimised and went for the most gentle shampoos and conditioners I could find, SLS and cone free. Tea tree oil is good for the itchies, just a few drops on the scalp ought to do it. As for the flakies, olive oil works best for me.

spidermom
December 24th, 2013, 11:26 AM
Baking soda is too alkaline for scalp and hair. Skin (including your scalp) stay healthy by maintaining what is called an acid mantle, which protects you from harmful bacteria, yeast, etc. You could buy a gentle shampoo and dilute it with water for washing your scalp, then use conditioner on the length to absorb the extra oil and rinse it away. Most shampoo is pH balanced to maintain the acid mantle.

sumidha
December 24th, 2013, 11:30 AM
Baking soda and vinegar is honestly not an ideal way to cleanse your hair or keep your scalp happy.

I can only speak from personal experience, my scalp irritation was caused by using cleansers that where harsher than were needed, and were altering the ph of my scalp. Switching to a gentler cleansing method, and following it with an acidic rinse pretty much solved my problems.

If you are looking for 'natural' methods of cleansing your scalp and hair, there's many options, people have had success with indian herb rinses, soap nuts, shampoo bars (my personal favorite) and there's tons of other stuff on the Recipes, Henna, and Herbal Haircare board.

If you're ok with shampoo, I'd suggest finding a gentle, sulfate free one (I really like Trader Joe's Tea Tree) and either diluting it with water, or doing an oil shampoo, followed with your AVC rinse. And of course, if you're really having persistent scalp issues, consider seeing a specialist for an accurate diagnosis.

Also, I forgot, this website is really helpful for looking up the ingredients in potential shampoos, and all kinds of cosmetics: http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/

meteor
December 24th, 2013, 11:46 AM
Have a dermatologist check your scalp. There might be a medical reason for the itching and flaking that needs treating. Going CO and consistently using an ACV rinse afterwards helped me out with my flaking and itchiness, but they were never very bad. If I use baking soda on my scalp ( I mix it with a bit of shampoo for clarifying occasionally), I do get scalp flakies.
This!^
If all shampoos you've tried and baking soda don't help you against the itch and flakes, either you have a skin condition (seborrhoeic dermatitis comes to mind), or you have eczema or sensitivity to some common ingredient(s) or something else. But you definitely need a diagnosis and you'll probably need some medicinal shampoo and/or skin ointment until things stabilize.

catamonica
December 24th, 2013, 12:59 PM
I put two capfuls of olive oil in my shampoo. Two capfuls in my conditioner. And two capfuls of Aloe Vera gel, in my conditioner. It's just enough to make my hair soft. The Aloe Vera has healing properties in it. It has done wonders for me. You could try it.

meteor
December 24th, 2013, 01:27 PM
I put two capfuls of olive oil in my shampoo. Two capfuls in my conditioner. And two capfuls of Aloe Vera gel, in my conditioner. It's just enough to make my hair soft. The Aloe Vera has healing properties in it. It has done wonders for me. You could try it.

I definitely agree that aloe vera is great addition for scalp health, but, until you get your diagnosis, I recommend being careful with olive oil (and other oils rich in oleic acid) anywhere close to your scalp as it feeds Malassezia yeast (the kind that causes SD).
Other things that can give some improvement include honey, diluted tea tree oil, herbs or oils of neem, bay, basil.

Firefox7275
December 24th, 2013, 02:20 PM
R
Hi everyone,
Looking for help here please :)

Heres a a little background on my hair:
its mid back length, straight, brown, sort of thin ish. Grows pretty quickly. I started the BS/ACV no shampoo method about 1.5 yrs ago. Before that I had flaky, super itchy scalp problems. I mean super itchy & tried many different shampoos/conditioners but nothing helped. So I went for the BS/ACV method and had a very oily transition period. After a few wks I finally used some lemon juice to dry it out bc I couldnt stand it. After that I just used BS/ACV for about 9 months. Then I read that jojoba oil is good to add to the ACV bc it closely resembles sebum and helps balance the scalp. My scalp was still very flaky and itchy, though not quite as itchy which was nice. I only use about 3 drops of jojoba so it's not too much.
Still battling the itchies and a very flakey scalp I searched for more options.
I recently read about honey diluted in water being great for scalp and flakiness. So I started that and then sometimes still do the jojoba/ACV rinse after the honey.
Now my hair is oily & driving me nuts again but I still have this dry flaky scalp. It's been a few wks now. It's driving me crazy. I just want normal hair again, & figuring out this scalp stuff would be great. I'm wondering if I need to try clay of some type? I tried aloe a few times about 6 months ago but didn't notice a difference and it was super messy so I gave that up. I've also tried rosemary and lavender essential oil in the ACV rinse periodically but never noticed any improvement with those either (tho admittedly I was not consistent w these for any long amount of time).
I don't know what to do now :( nothing seems to help - natural or conventional. Any help would be MUCH appreciated.
Thoughts?
Thank you!!!

You don't at any point mention the medical diagnosis for your scalp complaint, just a random selection of self treatments based on symptoms.

Jojoba oil is nothing like sebum, that is Chinese Whispers. It vaguely resembles the waxy (minor component) part of sebum. In any case if you have seborrhoeic dermatitis the last thing you want is to replicate sebum since that contains the main irritant (oleic acid) and the saturates that feed the malassezia yeast (stearic and palmitic).

ErinLeigh
December 25th, 2013, 12:05 AM
for SLS free removal of oil I find honey gets my hair clean and non oily. Try doing a co wash with honey just once and see if that helps. Maybe the dilution you use is too diluted?
Also, i though Baking Soda made scalp produce more oil to try and correct the dryness the BS causes? BS and ACV alone can be pretty rough on the hair/scalp.
Honey's antibacterial properties are supposed to be very helpful/soothing to the scalp and from personal experience it helps a lot.

I have read glowing reports on the benonite clay so it is worth a try to reset, but I just wonder if you should give the BS a break for a while. It seems counter productive to use and get oily, then have to combat with lemon to dry, get too dry and then have to use all these treatments to keep balanced etc etc.
There are lovely all natural ph balanced shampoo and conditioners that may be a lot more helpful for your scalp.

People are probably sick of reading about this but I am such a fan of the Fundamental Earth shampoo and conditioners.
They are heaven to the scalp and get hair/scalp nice and clean without drying. Amazon is where I get it and they have sample sizes. My bf has scalp issues and it helped so much.
Also try neem oil for scalp and see if that calms it down some.

Oh, have you seen a dermatologist? I just noticed it was bad before the BS also?
What if you have seborrheic-dermatitis or something? If so you will need more help than a forum can give. I am going to read the replies now but just wondering about what you said about having this prior to the BS.