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Lirona
November 19th, 2013, 09:13 PM
I learned how to do the bun I wear pretty much every day from this fantastic tutorial by Habioku: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5gTy1gCyqE. She calls it a nautilus, but is it actually closer to a lazy wrap? She doesn't twist it away first like in other tutorials (e.g. Torrin Paige), but I assumed the twisting away thing was for people with longer hair who needed to sort of double it up. What do you fellow members of the bun fandom think? (This bun has my undying love regardless, I'm just curious.)

neko_kawaii
November 19th, 2013, 09:30 PM
Now, I gave up trying to figure out what the Lazy Wrap Bun was when I was a noob, because when I looked there were so many seemingly contradictory explanations! But I did a blog entry a while back where I went through a bunch of variations of the Nautilus (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/entry.php?b=108723). There is a video showing the different versions back to back in the comments.

Katrine
November 19th, 2013, 09:48 PM
I have had some confusion about the different variations of the nautilus and the LWB. The way she's doing it in the video is similar to what I've learned for the LWB but the bun looks like a nautilus. I was familiar with the twisting away version for the nautilus so when I saw other tutorials that were different I wondered about that. Good to know I'm not the only one.....

Lirona
November 19th, 2013, 10:05 PM
Shoot, neko_kawaii, I can't see the blog entry since I'm not a full-fledged member yet. But that sounds fantastic, I will bookmark it for the future.

Katrine - exactly! Done like a lazy wrap, looks like a nautilus = magical lazy nautilus? You are definitely not alone. ;)

sweetinlace
November 19th, 2013, 11:23 PM
That's the way I do my hair most often. I consider it a LWB. It may be created differently than a normal LWB, but in the end it comes out exactly the same. I've broken it down in my head a number of times, and yes, it is the same as a LWB.

Wildcat Diva
November 19th, 2013, 11:29 PM
I'm sorry but I don't think that's a nautilus at all.

Lirona
November 20th, 2013, 12:20 AM
No reason to be sorry, Wildcat Diva. :)

A bun by any other name...

Night_Kitten
November 20th, 2013, 03:50 AM
To me it looks like a variation of the LWB - there is this variation, and the one when you twist around your finger/s and thumb (result is the same, to me it's just easier to put the stick in when the thumb holds the other side)

ETA
Just looked at neko kawaii's blog post (thanks for posting the link :) ), and some of the variations look a lot like the LWB I do... Maybe what I always thought to be a LWB is really a variation of a nautilus bun? Or maybe the different variations of the nautilus and the LWB are similar enough to be confusing?

ETA2
Found a tutorial that shows the version of the LWB I know (first part is what I always thought to be a "regular" LWB and the second part is a slight modification for longer hair) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNK0EPX7G1Q

curlsgalore
November 20th, 2013, 06:34 AM
Found a tutorial that shows the version of the LWB I know (first part is what I always thought to be a "regular" LWB and the second part is a slight modification for longer hair) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNK0EPX7G1Q

Love this one! Thank you for sharing. :)

Aingeal
November 20th, 2013, 06:36 AM
You know, I've been wondering the same thing. I'll have to find torrin Paige's nautilus vid.

neko_kawaii
November 20th, 2013, 07:47 AM
Ok, now I'm on a quest to understand the LWB.

schmetterlinchen as posted up thread (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNK0EPX7G1Q) wrapped around thumb.

Habioku's video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTt771qkO24) Looks like what Schmitterlinchen did.

JJLonghair (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGfJiBWwvpU) She doesn't wrap around her thumb but the end product is the same.

Waitingsolong (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky1DEJu9xxc) Also wrapped around thumb.


OK, having watched all these and snippits of some others (which were all the same thumb wrap technique), I think the difference between the LWB and Nautilus is that in the Nautilus the loop made in the first wrap is pulled AROUND the part that was wrapped behind it. This leaves the wrapped part exposed in the center of the bun, where in the LWB the loop covers the wrapped part.

Nae
November 20th, 2013, 08:20 AM
The first version is how I do a lazy wrap, except I don't wrap it around the whole hand, I only wrap it around my index finger. That works better for me with my shorter hair. Weird.

ETA: It ends up looking like this. Which is completely different than how Habioku's bun looked.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7436/10522794685_0a54757259.jpg

neko_kawaii
November 20th, 2013, 08:25 AM
Yep, I think different length and thickness will determine how many fingers get wrapped.

Flor
November 20th, 2013, 09:12 AM
Found a tutorial that shows the version of the LWB I know (first part is what I always thought to be a "regular" LWB and the second part is a slight modification for longer hair) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNK0EPX7G1Q

Love this one, never seen it before! Too bad my hair is too short for it. I have just enough to wrap around both fingers once, but then nothing left to tuck in.

tetisheri72
November 20th, 2013, 09:15 AM
My LWBs don't look like most of the pictures I see of them. I wonder if it's because my hair is thinner. I wrap it around my index finger and my thumb, because I can get the stick in better. My hair is long enough that I can wrap it around them each twice, and then still have enough underneath to tuck in. I'll get my husband to take a picture when he gets hoem.

Anje
November 20th, 2013, 10:12 AM
As near as I can tell, lazy wrap buns, inside-out buns, and nautilus buns are topologically the same. Lots of names, different tensions and amounts of twisting, same bun?

MeowScat
November 20th, 2013, 11:24 AM
I'm so glad you started this thread, I've been wondering this for some time. I learned how to do my LWB from JJJ Longhair, and I've seen other videos doing the same thing but calling it a Nautilus. Neko Kawaii, your explanation makes a lot of sense.

If someone is friends with TorrinPaige, maybe they could ask her?

bunzfan
November 20th, 2013, 11:27 AM
I'm so glad you started this thread, I've been wondering this for some time. I learned how to do my LWB from JJJ Longhair, and I've seen other videos doing the same thing but calling it a Nautilus. Neko Kawaii, your explanation makes a lot of sense.

If someone is friends with TorrinPaige, maybe they could ask her?

I could ask her what do you what to know exactly if that's a nautilus??

tetisheri72
November 20th, 2013, 12:55 PM
This is my LWB. It is currently very lazy indeed. Hopefully the pic loads.


http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af89/tetisheri1972/hair/lwb_zps5dce6b5f.jpg

Lirona
November 20th, 2013, 01:33 PM
ETA2
Found a tutorial that shows the version of the LWB I know (first part is what I always thought to be a "regular" LWB and the second part is a slight modification for longer hair) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNK0EPX7G1Q

Ooo, I hadn't seen that way of doing a LWB before. I will have to try it. Great video!




OK, having watched all these and snippits of some others (which were all the same thumb wrap technique), I think the difference between the LWB and Nautilus is that in the Nautilus the loop made in the first wrap is pulled AROUND the part that was wrapped behind it. This leaves the wrapped part exposed in the center of the bun, where in the LWB the loop covers the wrapped part.

Neko_kawaii, fantastic legwork. I came to that exact conclusion too.


The first version is how I do a lazy wrap, except I don't wrap it around the whole hand, I only wrap it around my index finger. That works better for me with my shorter hair. Weird.

ETA: It ends up looking like this. Which is completely different than how Habioku's bun looked.

Nae, I wish my LWBs looked like that! Like others have said, I think variations in length and thickness account for the difference.


I could ask her what do you what to know exactly if that's a nautilus??

Maybe ask her, "What's the difference between a nautilus and a lazy wrap?" That seems to be the overarching question.

(Of course, if she's inclined to weigh in on my original question of, "Is Habioku's nautilus tutorial really a nautilus?" that would be fantastic too!)

What a great discussion! :bounce:

Lirona
November 20th, 2013, 01:42 PM
As near as I can tell, lazy wrap buns, inside-out buns, and nautilus buns are topologically the same. Lots of names, different tensions and amounts of twisting, same bun?

This also makes a lot of sense as the big picture. They could be so closely related that the distinctions between them are simply arbitrary. Several roads, same destination.

sternchenfine
November 20th, 2013, 01:51 PM
really a good question.
i canīt tell the difference, my LWBs look different everytime i redo them anyway and so does the nautilus.

jupiterinleo
November 20th, 2013, 01:52 PM
I learned how to do the bun I wear pretty much every day from this fantastic tutorial by Habioku: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5gTy1gCyqE. She calls it a nautilus, but is it actually closer to a lazy wrap? She doesn't twist it away first like in other tutorials (e.g. Torrin Paige), but I assumed the twisting away thing was for people with longer hair who needed to sort of double it up. What do you fellow members of the bun fandom think? (This bun has my undying love regardless, I'm just curious.)

I thought that first style was a Gibraltar? That's my go-to bun and that's what I learned it as.

Lirona
November 20th, 2013, 02:19 PM
I thought that first style was a Gibraltar? That's my go-to bun and that's what I learned it as.

I took a quick look at schmetterlinchen's Gibraltar tutorial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxDRAEkbpV4), and I'd say you've identified another member of this kooky bun family. It seems that the only difference between the Gibraltar and Habioku's nautilus is that the Gibraltar is rotated?

neko_kawaii
November 20th, 2013, 02:33 PM
LOL, I could have sworn that Hypnotica's Gibraltar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXfp_wANOkw) was different, but I watched it again and I totally misunderstood the part where she spreads the first loop over the rest. I've been taking the first loop and dividing it into two sections and spreading those to either side. It is a solid bun that way!

I must agree that structurally the Nautilus, LWB and Gibraltar are the same bun. The hand positions are different and different techniques may work better depending on thickness and length.

excentricat
November 20th, 2013, 02:56 PM
As near as I can tell, lazy wrap buns, inside-out buns, and nautilus buns are topologically the same. Lots of names, different tensions and amounts of twisting, same bun?

Agreed. I tend to think of them as "sister" buns and use all of them. I like that I get a similar bun every day without stressing the exact same part of the hair.

Lirona
November 20th, 2013, 03:28 PM
I must agree that structurally the Nautilus, LWB and Gibraltar are the same bun. The hand positions are different and different techniques may work better depending on thickness and length.

Excellent. And let's lump the Artemis bun in there just to be thorough. ;) 4ypn0tica's tutorial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBjLxJF1zIc)...

ravenreed
November 20th, 2013, 03:48 PM
That is how I do my nautilus bun, which is my daily go-to bun. My nautilus and my lazy wrap start out the same. For the nautilus, I wrap the length around the base, just like the video. However, with the lazy wrap, everything after the first turn gets wrapped around the outside. If I have a smaller hair toy that won't grab much, I do a lazy wrap because there is less bulk in the middle for that one, but the nautilus is more secure and less likely to spin on me. HTH.

MeowScat
November 21st, 2013, 09:03 AM
I could ask her what do you what to know exactly if that's a nautilus??

If you could ask her what the difference is between the Lazy Wrap and the Nautilus, since there are conflicting videos out there, that would be awesome! Or maybe direct her to this thread? Thanks bunzfan! :)

bunzfan
November 21st, 2013, 09:17 AM
[QUOTE=MeowScat;2571901]If you could ask her what the difference is between the Lazy Wrap and the Nautilus, since there are conflicting videos out there, that would be awesome! Or maybe direct her to this thread? Thanks bunzfan! :)[/QUOTE

No probs i sent her a message :D

bunzfan
November 22nd, 2013, 10:38 AM
Well i e-mailed her.

Torrin (heather) said :

As far as I know the only real difference is that the Nautilus gets a twisted loop at the beginning and with the lazy wrap, you refrain from twisting and just wrap. They are both variations on the same sort of thing - I refer to the whole group of them as wrapped, one stick buns. The most important things - Is it up? Is it comfy? Is it sturdy? Then it doesn't matter what you call it so long as it works for you. :)

Lirona
November 22nd, 2013, 10:55 AM
Well i e-mailed her.

Torrin (heather) said :

As far as I know the only real difference is that the Nautilus gets a twisted loop at the beginning and with the lazy wrap, you refrain from twisting and just wrap. They are both variations on the same sort of thing - I refer to the whole group of them as wrapped, one stick buns. The most important things - Is it up? Is it comfy? Is it sturdy? Then it doesn't matter what you call it so long as it works for you. :)

Hear, hear! Well said. I love Torrin. Thanks for asking her, bunzfan!

MeowScat
November 23rd, 2013, 08:24 AM
Thank you bunzfan, and please tell TorrinPaige thank you from us!

So a Nautilus is just a twisted Lazy Wrap. Now I can add another bun to my short list of buns that I can do. :joy: