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LauraLongLocks
November 11th, 2013, 05:25 PM
Yikes! She says her hair just breaks off. She was a bleach blonde, and her hair appeared brittle and very damaged. I wanted to spew information on hair care, but tried to refrain. The lady just wanted her Suave Morrocan Argan oil mask so it would hide the damage and she was on her way. Wow. I let my hair out of its infinity bun and showed her the length. I told her I had it in a pixie in May 2008. She couldn't believe it. That was kind of fun.

sabrinaclrke
November 11th, 2013, 05:27 PM
Oh, wow! What a shame :(

prettyinpink
November 11th, 2013, 05:31 PM
My mom has the same problem. She bleaches the heck out of it and gels it and shampoos it every day and wonders why its so short. :confused:

swearnsue
November 11th, 2013, 06:54 PM
You would think after 27 years she would try something else because she's doing it wrong.

r00ski
November 11th, 2013, 07:41 PM
Yeah man I know a bleach blonde who used to bleach her a little bit from a strawberry blonde to blonde blonde and had gorgeous waist long hair then she decided to bleach/tone it completely WHITE and now it's a dead split dry mess that barely reaches past her boobs. She also straightens it pin-straight all the time bahhh. :disgust:

chen bao jun
November 11th, 2013, 07:49 PM
She may think its terminal.
I didn't bleach my hair but I washed with harsh shampoo and piled it on top of my head and didn't know about leave in and used to pull the knots off at the bottom and I thought APL was my terminal.

gnome82
November 11th, 2013, 08:09 PM
Wow, it must be very important for her to have her hair that colour.

Crumpet
November 11th, 2013, 08:29 PM
People really don't know much about hair. I knew more than the average bear pre-LHC...and I knew *nothing* compared to now (and I'm still a newb). I'm amazed by the weird stuff that otherwise intelligent, insightful and open friends of mine say about hair. I gently try to open up a discussion about other things but I'm always met with the sort of response that makes me not push it. If its important to them, they know where to come!

Lyv
November 11th, 2013, 11:29 PM
Sometimes I don't think people even notice how damaged their hair is or how bad they treat it. There's a girl at a coffee shop here who talks constantly about her "healthy" hair habits and I always want to give her some better alternatives but I don't know her so I keep my mouth shut lol.

Flor
November 12th, 2013, 12:31 AM
If she's bleach blond, she's likely getting it done in a salon. And they must give her regular trims that she doesn't count for anything. I came to conclusion that the BIGGEST issue with not being able to grow hair long is the recommended by hairdressers regular trims. Some recommend taking off an inch every few months. Well now on Earth is it going to grow long them???

leslissocool
November 12th, 2013, 12:41 AM
I'm with crumpet, people don't know much about hair really. My friend had someone swear to her that ceramic staighteners were damage free because hair came out so shiny and sleek! :shudder:. Funny enough, this friend ( natural blonde) just bleached her brown hair back to her natural hair color, and cut it off in a pixy because of the damage, and since she's spoken to me she's growing the damage out LHC friendly.

I think she does know that it's damaged, but she wants that color. If she wanted length, she would stop coloring.


I keep my hair secrets to myself unless I get asked what I do. In a very weird way I feel the need to agree with them that I just have awesome hair genes :lol:.

verenikiscoma
November 12th, 2013, 01:22 AM
If she's bleach blond, she's likely getting it done in a salon. And they must give her regular trims that she doesn't count for anything. I came to conclusion that the BIGGEST issue with not being able to grow hair long is the recommended by hairdressers regular trims. Some recommend taking off an inch every few months. Well now on Earth is it going to grow long them???

Exactly! I remember a hairdresser trying to convince me that to grow my hair I needed to trim 1.5 inches every 8 weeks. When I replied that the number just make no sense whatsoever she argued that I wouldn't question a doctor because of something I read in google so I should just trust her because she is the expert.... I smiled, thanked her for her help, got up and left.

Hybris
November 12th, 2013, 02:55 AM
... she argued that I wouldn't question a doctor because of something I read in google so I should just trust her because she is the expert.... I smiled, thanked her for her help, got up and left.
I DO question my doctor because of things I found on internet. :P But only things I researched properly.
Same goes for hair care. :D

LauraLongLocks
November 12th, 2013, 05:35 AM
Yes, I'm with you there. I also question my doctor, and I do a fair amount of research on my own. And, yes, I'm sure the lady at Walmart didn't really care how she could get wonderful length and undamaged hair. If she asked me how I grew it out, I might have shared more information, but she didn't really care so I kept it to myself.

verenikiscoma
November 12th, 2013, 05:42 AM
I question everything when it doesn't make sense. There is nothing wrong with questioning someone, if it's done politely. I found that in my experience true expertise shows through the ability to handle such questions. And that's where said hairdresser failed.

Johannah
November 12th, 2013, 05:48 AM
I see so many people who bleach their hair till it breaks. Yak. Except I don't like that color (except if it's your natural color), most people who bleach their hair like that have hair that looks like straw.

LauraLongLocks
November 12th, 2013, 05:49 AM
^^^This. Question everything. Anyone who is threatened by that doesn't have enough humility. I expect my customers to question me, and it gives me an opportunity to teach them. (I run a microdairy, selling my raw cow's milk).

spirals
November 13th, 2013, 12:40 AM
I hate damaged-looking platinum blonde, or very light blonde hair. But I guess that's the look Walmart Lady's been going for the last 27 years. To each her own, but I don't have to like it.

Tail Feathers
November 13th, 2013, 12:51 AM
If she's bleach blond, she's likely getting it done in a salon. And they must give her regular trims that she doesn't count for anything. I came to conclusion that the BIGGEST issue with not being able to grow hair long is the recommended by hairdressers regular trims. Some recommend taking off an inch every few months. Well now on Earth is it going to grow long them???

that is so true... i had no damage (i did no heat styling, don't colour, perm or straighten, etc etc) and every time i would go to the salon,
they would suggest taking off at least three inches... more or less every three months !
then, for economical reasons, for many months, i could not go.
after a long time, i walked into the salon with hip-length hair.
the hairdressers all flocked ! "oh how beautiful on you. oh, it is so hard to wear long hair beautifully. it is so lovely and suits you so well...."
then, they asked how much i wanted to cut, and i replied, "only my bangs"
hha !
now, i grew those out, too.
no more salons for me, either

i had no idea i could reach classic, and very likely beyond.
and to think, i had no damage. and they just kept hacking it off in huge chunks.
now i am aiming for mid-thigh or knee length.
no more salons for me

i've been away from salons for about a year and a half now, and my hair has Never looked better...

gosolo
November 13th, 2013, 02:36 AM
My girlfriend was given the same advice, that regular cuts will help growth?? Is there any truth to this as it really did seem counter-intuitive......?

Islandgrrl
November 13th, 2013, 03:13 AM
My girlfriend was given the same advice, that regular cuts will help growth?? Is there any truth to this as it really did seem counter-intuitive......?

Hair is dead. The bottom has no idea what the top is doing and vice versa. So trimming your ends won't make the hair follicle produce hair any faster. You can certainly trim and gain length, though, if you only trim part of your growth. And that's a fantastic way to keep the ends less damaged, or to grow out damage while still gaining length.

TiaKitty
November 13th, 2013, 05:39 AM
The same thing happened to me in Walmart! :rolling:

A bleach blonde woman with shoulder length hair stopped me and asked why my hair was so shiney and healthy and that hers wouldn't grow. I had a jar of coconut oil in my cart and I started to show it to her, but she wanted me to go to the hair product aisle with her... :( I did, and the only thing she wanted was coney serum. I tried again to show her the coconut oil, but she would have none of it! I wound up showing her which coney serum I use, when I use it. She asked about shampoo and conditioner, and I tried to explain that a little, too... Finally, I kind of gave up trying, but she was happy, because she wanted her hair shiney and she got shiney in a bottle...

melesine
November 13th, 2013, 07:57 AM
If she's bleach blond, she's likely getting it done in a salon. And they must give her regular trims that she doesn't count for anything. I came to conclusion that the BIGGEST issue with not being able to grow hair long is the recommended by hairdressers regular trims. Some recommend taking off an inch every few months. Well now on Earth is it going to grow long them???

Oh I agree, I've had some completely chop my hair based on stupid questions they ask like " when was the last time you cut your hair". I haven't been to a hair dresser in years now.

browneyedsusan
November 13th, 2013, 08:15 AM
Back in the early 90's, I had shoulder-length permed hair--everyone did--and it broke off about as fast as I grew it. I didn't know any better, and WalmartLady doesn't either.

Bagginslover
November 13th, 2013, 08:24 AM
Exactly! I remember a hairdresser trying to convince me that to grow my hair I needed to trim 1.5 inches every 8 weeks. When I replied that the number just make no sense whatsoever she argued that I wouldn't question a doctor because of something I read in google so I should just trust her because she is the expert.... I smiled, thanked her for her help, got up and left.

Huh, if I didn't question my Dr, I'd probably be dead by now, sereral times he's tried to give me something I'm allergic to.....

I don't think most people think that colouring is damaging to hair, certainly all the people I've spoken to in depth about it recently have thought its good for it! This lady might be inder that impression, and not realise that its that thats causing her hair not to grow.

florenonite
November 13th, 2013, 08:37 AM
Hair is dead. The bottom has no idea what the top is doing and vice versa. So trimming your ends won't make the hair follicle produce hair any faster. You can certainly trim and gain length, though, if you only trim part of your growth. And that's a fantastic way to keep the ends less damaged, or to grow out damage while still gaining length.

I think this myth got started because people with a lot of damage may find their hair gets longer faster when they start trimming small amounts off, as they're getting rid of the worst of the damage so it's not breaking off as much.

Either that or it's a lie parents told their children so they didn't have to deal with long hair, and those children grew up and didn't realise it was about as real as Santa Claus :D

fairylover46
November 13th, 2013, 08:43 AM
Has anyone else noticed that the less a person knows about hair, the more resistant they are to being educated about it? My hair is just reaching hip length and I am frequently approached by strangers asking me what I do to get my hair this long/shiny/healthy or whatever. When I try to tell them they get this look in their eye that tells me they don't really want to hear what I have to say and they always start trying to end the conversation by slowly walking off while saying they have to go do errands/shopping or whatever. It's like they are happy being ignorant and feel threatened by information. I don't get it. If I had short hair and wanted long hair and I saw someone with long pretty hair, I would listen to everything they had to say so I could learn what to do and not do! (Which is one of the reasons I joined this cool, informative community!) Love it here!

Soltimus
November 13th, 2013, 09:10 AM
It's like they want the nice hair without putting any effort into it. How does that even make sense?!

My 17-year-old stepdaughter has been through that Courtney Love baby doll thing and has bleached her hair for a few years now. Her natural hair colour is a lovely ginger and I think she's trying to grow out the bleach now. She's asked me a few times for advice about her hair, but it's impossible to get through to her. She doesn't want to cut off any of the damage even though it's just breaking off as it is She thinks hair masks will help. She also washes it every day (except when she's lazy and only uses dry shampoo), blow dries it and straightens it. I've told her several times, when she's asked, about how damaging heat styling is, but it's almost as if the very idea of changing habits and going against the advice you get from salons and beauty stores is horrifyingly dangerous >_<

hanyo
November 13th, 2013, 09:19 AM
My growth seemed to be stalled for quite a while and now I'm trying to protect my hair so it can grow longer but APL seems kind of short for terminal length.

I went from my early 20s to late 30s with no cuts and only 2 or 3 small trims. I started at shoulder length after cutting my hair in my early 20s and am hip length now.

LauraLongLocks
November 13th, 2013, 12:50 PM
Has anyone else noticed that the less a person knows about hair, the more resistant they are to being educated about it? My hair is just reaching hip length and I am frequently approached by strangers asking me what I do to get my hair this long/shiny/healthy or whatever. When I try to tell them they get this look in their eye that tells me they don't really want to hear what I have to say and they always start trying to end the conversation by slowly walking off while saying they have to go do errands/shopping or whatever. It's like they are happy being ignorant and feel threatened by information. I don't get it. If I had short hair and wanted long hair and I saw someone with long pretty hair, I would listen to everything they had to say so I could learn what to do and not do! (Which is one of the reasons I joined this cool, informative community!) Love it here!

That's exactly my observation. The information is readily available, for anyone who wants it. I think when people ask about your hair care, but then don't want to really listen, they actually just meant to give a compliment, and maybe wanted a sound-bite type of answer. In that case, it's probably best to give one or two top ways to keep hair healthy (like, no chemicals, no heat), and leave it at that.




Either that or it's a lie parents told their children so they didn't have to deal with long hair, and those children grew up and didn't realise it was about as real as Santa Claus :D

I think my parents tried this with me. My mom preferred me in a pixie. I never had hair longer than APL as a child. My hair was finer as a child than now, and I was always told if I would cut it, I would have thicker hair. Not true, for the record.


It's like they want the nice hair without putting any effort into it. How does that even make sense?!



And yet, caring for and styling short hair takes more effort, in my opinion, than long hair. My long hair always looks good. When it was short, it always looked like seaweed stuck to a rock, because I have little volume. With it long, I can style it in creative buns and it appears a lot more voluminous than if it was short. Short hair with body is an oxymoron for me, unless it is permed. In that case, I merely looked like I had a poodle stuck to my head. Nice. :/

Liz_park
November 13th, 2013, 12:59 PM
....she argued that I wouldn't question a doctor because of something I read in google so I should just trust her because she is the expert.... I smiled, thanked her for her help, got up and left.

Bahahahaha oh my, a hair stylist just compared herself to a doctor?? That's appalling.

Medical doctors go to university, sometimes for more than a decade, before they are allowed to treat patients. And even then they can make mistakes and misdiagnose, and the best doctors are always open to your questions and concerns.

Most stylists have 40 weeks of training at some crappy hair-wrecking school on how NOT to have healthy hair (colouring, heat styling, cutting layers...)

Good for you for leaving.

Jennielee88
November 13th, 2013, 01:10 PM
I have bleached blonde hair (from a level 6ish brown) and I've managed to grow it from APL- with very short layers- to waist length in less than 18 months... I do get some splits but I snip them off myself and wont let my hairdresser cut it no matter how much she tries to convince me that trimming every 6 weeks will help it to grow. If my hair grows an inch in a month then trimming that inch off is going to make it stay the same length, its just common sense

Of the Fae
November 13th, 2013, 01:25 PM
I've had these conversations with people too, especially hairdressers. One told me once that henna will destroy your hair from the inside out (while most admit that it's a good product but hard to remove) :confused:
That and the people who dye and shampoo the living crap out of their hair and expect it to grow never ceases to amaze me.
Sometimes I try to give advice but people are stuck in their ways and feel as if you are morally attacking them when you are really giving tips (I even get this vibe sometimes when I am ásked about my own routine!)

Shibe
November 13th, 2013, 03:56 PM
Yeah man I know a bleach blonde who used to bleach her a little bit from a strawberry blonde to blonde blonde and had gorgeous waist long hair then she decided to bleach/tone it completely WHITE and now it's a dead split dry mess that barely reaches past her boobs. She also straightens it pin-straight all the time bahhh. :disgust:

Do we know the same person?

wrh452
November 13th, 2013, 05:40 PM
No need to insult hair stylists. I know quite a few good ones. I do know some who compare themselves to doctors, but they have been in the field for 10+ years and probably have just as long of training as a doctor because they go to training constantly.

Regular trims are good for people who damage their hair with products and color, but I always recommend just getting the ends dusted every 3-4 months. Thats what I have to do because my ends split so easily. Dang you fine hair!

I would love to start an all natural salon. Helpfully teach more people how to really care for their hair.

emilylightning
November 13th, 2013, 09:37 PM
Ew... that reminds me of many girls at my school. It seems that healthy[er] hair is slowly coming into style though.

My friend's hair is nearly classic length but when she tells me about how she washes it daily and sleeps with it wet and so on... I just cringe. Her hair's not in perfect condition and her hair type is very similar to mine. Hey, if she can grow her hair super long without doing much to care for it, I should be set. :p

My mom said her hair never got past BSL because it always started to look really scraggly. That scared me for a long time [my terminal needs to be at least waist!!! ;A;] but now I'm certain it's simply because she never took proper care of it. Her hair is APL with a LOT of face-framing layers [the way she likes it] and although she does so many things wrong, her hair is surprisingly healthy. Even hair dressers are shocked when she tells them her routine.

maborosi
November 13th, 2013, 10:06 PM
No need to insult hair stylists. I know quite a few good ones. I do know some who compare themselves to doctors, but they have been in the field for 10+ years and probably have just as long of training as a doctor because they go to training constantly.

Regular trims are good for people who damage their hair with products and color, but I always recommend just getting the ends dusted every 3-4 months. Thats what I have to do because my ends split so easily. Dang you fine hair!

I would love to start an all natural salon. Helpfully teach more people how to really care for their hair.

Hear hear. I agree with you. There are some awesome stylists right here on LHC, too!

~maborosi~

florenonite
November 14th, 2013, 05:06 AM
It's like they want the nice hair without putting any effort into it. How does that even make sense?!

My 17-year-old stepdaughter has been through that Courtney Love baby doll thing and has bleached her hair for a few years now. Her natural hair colour is a lovely ginger and I think she's trying to grow out the bleach now. She's asked me a few times for advice about her hair, but it's impossible to get through to her. She doesn't want to cut off any of the damage even though it's just breaking off as it is She thinks hair masks will help. She also washes it every day (except when she's lazy and only uses dry shampoo), blow dries it and straightens it. I've told her several times, when she's asked, about how damaging heat styling is, but it's almost as if the very idea of changing habits and going against the advice you get from salons and beauty stores is horrifyingly dangerous >_<

I think part of it might also just be different priorities. Here the priority is long, healthy hair, and things like colour and the amount of curl (if any) are nice add-ons if we can get what we want, but we won't go damaging our hair for them. For others, however (including my 16yo sister, whose WL hair is rather badly damaged from APL or so, but refuses to cut it), the priority might be colour or straightness, and maybe length as well. Health is something they'd like as well, but not if they have to sacrifice something else; they'd rather have damaged (or short) bleached and straightened hair than long, healthy, wavy blonette hair.

Redvelvetdragon
November 14th, 2013, 01:52 PM
My two cousins color and flat iron their hair into submission and then complain that their hair never really seems healthy. One even said that she's thinking she'll perm it. I out right told her not to and gave her advice on how to keep it from looking broken all the time. She lives in another state so who knows if she listened.

I bumped into a woman with thigh length hair the other day. We chatted a bit and she told me to cut mine on a new moon. :)

About the original Walmart woman, she was getting argan oil treatment? How much do you want to bet she's putting on the oil then flat ironing. Deep fried hair!

LauraLongLocks
November 14th, 2013, 02:09 PM
My two cousins color and flat iron their hair into submission and then complain that their hair never really seems healthy. One even said that she's thinking she'll perm it. I out right told her not to and gave her advice on how to keep it from looking broken all the time. She lives in another state so who knows if she listened.

I bumped into a woman with thigh length hair the other day. We chatted a bit and she told me to cut mine on a new moon. :)

About the original Walmart woman, she was getting argan oil treatment? How much do you want to bet she's putting on the oil then flat ironing. Deep fried hair!

Probably. Who knows? She was amazed that my hair could be so long, and mine is at MBL, so it's not what I consider a WOW length yet.

So why did the thigh-length woman tell you to cut your hair on a new moon? Was there more to this story?

makeminea99
November 14th, 2013, 02:45 PM
If she's bleach blond, she's likely getting it done in a salon. And they must give her regular trims that she doesn't count for anything. I came to conclusion that the BIGGEST issue with not being able to grow hair long is the recommended by hairdressers regular trims. Some recommend taking off an inch every few months. Well now on Earth is it going to grow long them???
Oooh I know!! I've had this before, been asked how it got so long (and I love the look on people's faces when I tell 'em I'm planning on letting it grow longer!), of course I say, 'I just get a trim every 6 months and snip off any odd splits with my own sharp hair cutting scissors. Easy!' Why do people not get it? It's virtually effortless!! :rolleyes:


No need to insult hair stylists. I know quite a few good ones. I do know some who compare themselves to doctors, but they have been in the field for 10+ years and probably have just as long of training as a doctor because they go to training constantly.

Regular trims are good for people who damage their hair with products and color, but I always recommend just getting the ends dusted every 3-4 months. Thats what I have to do because my ends split so easily. Dang you fine hair!

I would love to start an all natural salon. Helpfully teach more people how to really care for their hair.

You've got a good point, I've been lucky enough to find a local hairdresser who's happy to just do my 6 monthly trim and nothing more, and just an inch off at that - I think it helps that she has long hair herself - it's about hip length, I'd say, and she's growing hers longer too! The funny thing is, she decided to become a hairdresser after a bad experience - she had tailbone length hair and her then hairdresser went and chopped it to her chin! So she decided to learn how to do it herself and is well known in the area for listening to clients and only doing EXACTLY as they ask. What a gem! :)

endlessly
November 14th, 2013, 03:09 PM
If she's bleach blond, she's likely getting it done in a salon. And they must give her regular trims that she doesn't count for anything. I came to conclusion that the BIGGEST issue with not being able to grow hair long is the recommended by hairdressers regular trims. Some recommend taking off an inch every few months. Well now on Earth is it going to grow long them???

A very good friend of mine has been trying to get her hair past shoulder length for the past year and I finally had to ask her how often she was having her hair trimmed. Apparently, her hairdresser informed her that her hair would grow faster if she was cutting off at least one inch every 4-6 weeks. So, I have to agree that it's a very common misconception about growing long hair. No wonder she couldn't get it to grow!

LauraLongLocks
November 14th, 2013, 05:10 PM
Getting a trim every 4-6 weeks might be necessary if you have damage, but a whole inch every time! That's practically all her growth!

LauraLongLocks
November 14th, 2013, 05:10 PM
You've got a good point, I've been lucky enough to find a local hairdresser who's happy to just do my 6 monthly trim and nothing more, and just an inch off at that - I think it helps that she has long hair herself - it's about hip length, I'd say, and she's growing hers longer too! The funny thing is, she decided to become a hairdresser after a bad experience - she had tailbone length hair and her then hairdresser went and chopped it to her chin! So she decided to learn how to do it herself and is well known in the area for listening to clients and only doing EXACTLY as they ask. What a gem! :)

So awesome that you have such a great hairdresser!

makeminea99
November 16th, 2013, 04:47 PM
So awesome that you have such a great hairdresser!

She is a total star. She gave my youngest son (aged 6) his first ever 'proper' haircut a few months back - he's Autistic and every 6 weeks or so we would take him along to her salon with Daddy and Big brother, who both love having their hair cut there! Eventually, with patience and gentleness, she got him sitting in the chair and looking super smart for school (although she did have to chase him around the salon when he got bored with sitting still half way through! ;) ) She will always have me and my family's custom for as long as she's in the business! :D