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goldcopperbrown
August 29th, 2013, 12:40 PM
Last time I took biotin (in the form of that vitamin Hair Skin & Nails), I noticed some pretty annoying cystic acne. For a while I thought it was the food I was eating or the products I was using, but it eventually went away when I stopped taking that vitamin. Since then I've been really wary of biotin.

However, I've read that if you take biotin AND drink lots of water, you can avoid the cystic acne side effect. Is there any truth to this?

cassie_g
August 29th, 2013, 12:53 PM
I've just started taking biotin. I try to drink 2 quarts of water a day. I haven't noticed any extra oilness or any acne but I have fairly dry skin to start with and was never very prone to breakouts. From what I've read some people have had breakouts with it and dropped to a lower dosage and the breakouts stopped. You may be taking to high a dose for your body as well as not drinking enough water.

Biotin is water soluable vitamin and the only way you can flush the excess out is by drinking enough water. If you don't drink enough water to get rid of the extra it shows up as breakouts and oily skin.

jacqueline101
August 29th, 2013, 01:00 PM
I agree you have to flush your system with water.

Charmelia
August 29th, 2013, 02:02 PM
For me the only thing that worked was to wait it out. After a few months when my body got used to the Biotin the acne disappeared.

kganihanova
August 29th, 2013, 02:50 PM
I second that. I got really bad acne the first month I was on it.

PamelaViktoria
August 29th, 2013, 03:03 PM
In asian medicine, all skin problems are related to the liver being overly worked. You might have problems digesting and metabolizing the brand, or you may just have a full liver already.
When I was at my sickest, almost everything I ate or drank made me sick. But I detoxed for a long time. Now I even take drug store brand prenatals, and my hair loves it. So it may just be how well your body is preforming this month. Next month could be completely different:)

Nae
August 29th, 2013, 04:42 PM
I just wouldn't take it. Cystic acne is a sign that you are taking way too much. It isn't really effective in helping hair growth unless you are super low in it anyway, which is hard to do if you eat any kind of varied diet.

Firefox7275
August 29th, 2013, 05:05 PM
Last time I took biotin (in the form of that vitamin Hair Skin & Nails), I noticed some pretty annoying cystic acne. For a while I thought it was the food I was eating or the products I was using, but it eventually went away when I stopped taking that vitamin. Since then I've been really wary of biotin.

However, I've read that if you take biotin AND drink lots of water, you can avoid the cystic acne side effect. Is there any truth to this?

Why would you want to take anything that potentially damages your organs? Yes you can avoid that issue, eat a nutrient dense balanced wholefood diet instead of randomly supplementing without reference to what your body actually needs. You are right to be wary, nutrients work synergistically and in opposition so you can set up imbalanced by taking individual or small groups of micronutrients. Nutrition/ dietetics are disciplines that health professionals spend years studying to master, most people on haircare forums are wholly unqualified. I am not aware of any published research showing megadoses are safe if you drink loads of water, it is a massive over-simplification to cite biotin being water soluble.
http://igorsbelltower.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/infamous-biotin-rant.html

jeanniet
August 29th, 2013, 05:28 PM
Simple: don't take it. There is NO scientific evidence that biotin makes hair grow faster. None. There is no evidence that megadosing vitamins is anything but bad for you. Adequate biotin is pretty easily available from food. The acne is an indication that megadosing biotin is causing reactions, and that's just what you can see.

blondzai
August 29th, 2013, 05:40 PM
when i first started taking it in january (1000mcg) i noticed my skin got bad ...which was totally not worth it to me so i stopped taking it even though it did seem to help speed up my hair growth. then in june i decided to try again. but this time i would take a multi vitamin and THEN my biotin and ive been doing this daily ever since and i havent noticed any negative effects on my skin...coincidence? or maybe the multi vitamin helped me process the biotin...who knows, but its something to think about

McFearless
August 29th, 2013, 05:57 PM
There may not be any scientific evidence for it but faster growth and/or decreased shed is reported by many people and I don't doubt their results. However, I don't think that is a valid reason to mega dose and put stress on your organs. Your body is giving you signs it doesn't agree with your dosage. Contact your doctor and ask them if there is an amount of biotin they are comfortable with you taking and for how long. Make sure to find out any side effects like blocked absorption of another vitamin or mineral.

jeanniet
August 29th, 2013, 06:52 PM
There may not be any scientific evidence for it but faster growth and/or decreased shed is reported by many people and I don't doubt their results. However, I don't think that is a valid reason to mega dose and put stress on your organs. Your body is giving you signs it doesn't agree with your dosage. Contact your doctor and ask them if there is an amount of biotin they are comfortable with you taking and for how long. Make sure to find out any side effects like blocked absorption of another vitamin or mineral.

Except that anecdotal evidence isn't the same as scientific evidence, and it's not taking other possible factors into account, the main one being that hair doesn't grow consistently anyway. For instance, when I had 3" of growth in a little over a month, I could have said it was because I didn't take supplements, or for any number of reasons, but the fact of the matter is I don't have any explanation for it other than that it just grew faster for a while. Hair apparently growing faster while taking biotin is not proof that biotin is responsible for the increased growth; coincidence is not the same as causation.

Panth
August 30th, 2013, 01:07 AM
There may not be any scientific evidence for it but faster growth and/or decreased shed is reported by many people and I don't doubt their results. However, I don't think that is a valid reason to mega dose and put stress on your organs. Your body is giving you signs it doesn't agree with your dosage. Contact your doctor and ask them if there is an amount of biotin they are comfortable with you taking and for how long. Make sure to find out any side effects like blocked absorption of another vitamin or mineral.

Correlation does not imply causation. Correlation does not imply causation. Correlation does not imply causation!

(Also, placebo effect, anyone!?)


To the OP: you've got lots of sensible advice, namely just stop taking the biotin. It is obviously harming you, as evidenced by the acne. Why risk your health for something that might (not will!) give a small cosmetic benefit?

McFearless
August 30th, 2013, 03:01 AM
All bodies are different. There are some who've monitored their hair growth and shedding while taking the supplement over a long period of time and have noticed changes that are more than coincidence. Who am I to say they're incorrect.

Firefox7275
August 30th, 2013, 06:00 AM
All bodies are different. There are some who've monitored their hair growth and shedding while taking the supplement over a long period of time and have noticed changes that are more than coincidence. Who am I to say they're incorrect.

Nobody did say they were incorrect, that is not what Panth and Jeanniet said. They said there is no scientific evidence and that correlation does not prove causation, that is not the same as saying there is scientific evidence proving it to be a falsehood.

Many times people change more that one aspect of their haircare regimen or lifestyle simultaneously to taking biotin, be that adding or subtracting habits: the OP is a prime example, she is taking a supplement containing multiple nutrients plus additives yet assumes the biotin is to blame for her acne. Some people who are biotin deficient (due to health issues or lifestyle) may well get a positive effect, do we know who those are on the forum so we can discount them as research scientists would? You should also discount anyone who has gone through pregnancy or other relevant health issue, changed their physical activity or stress levels in a significant manner, those who relocated to a different climate .... if you were rigorous I suspect there would be very few impressive cases remaining.

How many cases have we had that overhauled their diet and focussed on biotin rich foods whilst remaining balanced and nutrient dense that reported increased growth? If it works let's push something safe. I think we forget we have the impressionable and naive reading and posting here, not just the savvy and cautious.

henné
August 30th, 2013, 06:07 AM
Yeah, a very simple and cheap one: stop taking it.

It doesn't work anyway and it's potentially dangerous. All the folks that claim that prenatals/biotin/whatever makes their hair grow faster are bsing themselves and everyone around. It's called wishful thinking and the companies making these pills that just produce some expensive piss are laughing all the way to the bank.

Just eat well. That is all you will ever need - and get enough sleep, drink enough water and exercise and you're set.

Howgh

henné
August 30th, 2013, 06:09 AM
All bodies are different. There are some who've monitored their hair growth and shedding while taking the supplement over a long period of time and have noticed changes that are more than coincidence. Who am I to say they're incorrect.

Have you ever heard of the placebo effect? That is what it is. Plus what what Firefox7275 says all the way (making more changes while on the pills, etc.)

ravenreed
August 30th, 2013, 06:14 AM
You might also look up confirmational bias...

RedNymph
August 30th, 2013, 10:10 AM
Tea tree oil! I dab it on my face everyday and it works like a dream.

goldcopperbrown
August 30th, 2013, 12:13 PM
In asian medicine, all skin problems are related to the liver being overly worked. You might have problems digesting and metabolizing the brand, or you may just have a full liver already.
When I was at my sickest, almost everything I ate or drank made me sick. But I detoxed for a long time. Now I even take drug store brand prenatals, and my hair loves it. So it may just be how well your body is preforming this month. Next month could be completely different:)

That's very interesting, although I'm sure there are other reasons for acne lol...teenagers are notorious for acne (i know I was lucky enough to experience this) and teenagers don't have poorly functioning livers. I wouldn't be surprised if SOME acne is attributed to this though...although for me I feel like hormones play an enormous role too!

goldcopperbrown
August 30th, 2013, 12:14 PM
Yeah, a very simple and cheap one: stop taking it.

It doesn't work anyway and it's potentially dangerous. All the folks that claim that prenatals/biotin/whatever makes their hair grow faster are bsing themselves and everyone around. It's called wishful thinking and the companies making these pills that just produce some expensive piss are laughing all the way to the bank.

Just eat well. That is all you will ever need - and get enough sleep, drink enough water and exercise and you're set.

Howgh

Yikes, dangerous?! How so??

goldcopperbrown
August 30th, 2013, 12:15 PM
Except that anecdotal evidence isn't the same as scientific evidence, and it's not taking other possible factors into account, the main one being that hair doesn't grow consistently anyway. For instance, when I had 3" of growth in a little over a month, I could have said it was because I didn't take supplements, or for any number of reasons, but the fact of the matter is I don't have any explanation for it other than that it just grew faster for a while. Hair apparently growing faster while taking biotin is not proof that biotin is responsible for the increased growth; coincidence is not the same as causation.

3" in a month? awesome :) and good points

Panth
August 30th, 2013, 01:38 PM
Yikes, dangerous?! How so??

Dangerous in that one LHC member (a nurse, from memory) had early stage kidney failure from biotin megadosing. Also, cystic acne and migraines are commonly reported side effects on here. All of those are signs that your body is seriously unhappy.

Panth
August 30th, 2013, 01:43 PM
You might also look up confirmational bias...

Oh, and blinding - i.e. why in proper, rigorous scientific experiments neither the patient receiving the treatment nor the person measuring the outcome should know whether the patient is receiving a placebo or not.

jeanniet
August 30th, 2013, 01:45 PM
3" in a month? awesome :) and good points

It was totally random. I didn't do anything differently, that's my point. It just did it all by itself.

goldcopperbrown
August 30th, 2013, 03:26 PM
It was totally random. I didn't do anything differently, that's my point. It just did it all by itself.

Well, congrats!