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gonzobird
July 9th, 2013, 11:50 AM
Just wondering/(bumping) if anyone is still liking batana oil...????

I just ordered some and I had a thought right after.

Since the process to extract the oil is used by heating the kernels via a fire....Read the lsat couple sentences of the following paragraph. (found online)

"The Miskito people in Honduras have traditionally always used batana oil extracted from the nut of the American palm (Elaeis oleifera) as a skin and hair treatment. It encourages thick, shiny hair and repairs damaged hair. Each tree produces from 10 to 20 very large bunches of fruit each year, from which 2 to 4 liters of raw oil can be extracted. The fruit is boiled and then pounded to remove the orange outer shell. The nuts are washed, sun-dried and cracked using a stone to release the kernel. These are cooked over a fire until the oil is extracted. Finally the hot oil is poured into glass bottles where it cools into a thick paste."


I am wondering if the oil is full of carcinogens???? Ugh. THAT would be a bummer.

I stopped drinking coffee, and found this stuff to replace coffee....http://guayaki.com (http://guayaki.com/)... and found out its full of carcinogens because of the way the dry the tea and "smoke it". Lots of people who drink it get cancer. Throat and mouth especially

Got me thinking if Batana oil (smells smokey and is fire treated) is loaded too.

Thats probably what happens to any palm oil if you burn the hell out of it. Turns dark, burnt, stinky. And youre slathering it into your skin. :(

Any thoughts????

goldloli
July 9th, 2013, 01:40 PM
I would like to see peer reviewed studies that haven't been debunked or countered, showing coffee gives cancer. It would be a public health crisis if it were an issue, since so many people drink it. Even if a small percentage did get mouth cancer from it, that would be a hella lot of people and very noticeable! Like millions! I believe most studies linking coffee to cancer is actually about the caffeine content... I've read some before, one about breast cancer, not long after there was one about it preventing testicular cancer or something like that.

You shouldn't stop using a product you like because it is extracted in a similar way to something rumored, but not proven to be carcinogenic. I think chocolate starts with the same extraction to get the butter out then turn the rest into powder.

Look see, he's some of many studies from a single googling, saying it prevents the cancers you are talking about:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21462087
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/behindtheheadlines/news/2012-12-12-four-cups-of-coffee-a-day-halves-mouth-cancer-risk/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23230042
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12907209
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18974083

and I'm sure if I continued reading, I would find ones that say it does cause it. It takes many studies to prove conclusive and I really hate people being mislead and misinformed by online articles or groups that promote single studies out of context, to people like yourself. Use your oil and drink whatever coffee you like, if it were a health concern we'd be be seeing the results since we've been drinking it for generations.

gonzobird
July 9th, 2013, 04:54 PM
I think you missed everything I said.
I never said coffee causes cancer. That's just silly.

Just saying.... I wonder if batana oil has some carcinogens. Things that are smoked usually do. Grilled food, burnt toast, roasted marshmallows....

It was just a thought. Things can be tested for carcinogens... maybe I'll send some in when I get it. I'm more excited to try it and I'm sure it won't kill me. There's enough crap in the air we breathe and the food we eat I don't want to slather it into my skin too. That's all. Just wondering others thoughts.

gonzobird
July 9th, 2013, 05:00 PM
And I love coffee. Dearly. It just messes with my sleep and makes my heart beat fast.... its yerba matte tea that is linked to throat cancer. I think I made that clear.

ravenreed
July 9th, 2013, 05:11 PM
If you aren't eating the oil, I wouldn't worry about it. I drink unsmoked Yerbe Mate. It messes with my sleep even worse than coffee does, but I am drinking it for other supposed benefits.


And I love coffee. Dearly. It just messes with my sleep and makes my heart beat fast.... its yerba matte tea that is linked to throat cancer. I think I made that clear.

torrilin
July 9th, 2013, 06:43 PM
And I love coffee. Dearly. It just messes with my sleep and makes my heart beat fast.... its yerba matte tea that is linked to throat cancer. I think I made that clear.

I can see how someone reading fast would have gotten confused.

My understanding is that most forms of mate or roobios tea are not smoked, same as most black teas aren't smoked. And even so, very few smoked foods are going to increase your cancer risk in a serious way. In general, where studies have found that a smoked food contains carcinogenic chemicals, you would need to eat nothing but that particular food and often eat it in quantities that would be very unhealthy in order to detect a problem. In other words, you'd die of malnutrition long before cancer got you.

Now if you're routinely drinking more than 5 gallons of smoked tea a day, I could see it potentially being an issue. But that's about 10x as much liquid as most people need per day, and that is enough liquid that your body might have difficulty managing it all. Again, I'd worry about other problems first.

Most foods are not going to be harmful when eaten in moderate portions as part of a balanced diet, unless you have an allergy or sensitivity. Obviously, a celiac person shouldn't have foods with gluten, and someone with a peanut allergy should be cautious about pigging out on tofu. Even something like my headache reaction to certain cheeses is not automatically a problem. I can eat a lot of delicious cheeses without any headaches at all :). There are a few where I should be careful, but it (mercifully) is a situation where I can have small amounts.

Obviously we all have our own risk tolerances. But worry about cancer is not particularly high on my list of reasons for avoiding lapsang souchoung tea, or Russian Caravan style teas.

goldloli
July 9th, 2013, 06:45 PM
I stopped drinking coffee, and found this stuff to replace coffee....http://guayaki.com (http://guayaki.com/)... and found out its full of carcinogens because of the way the dry the tea and "smoke it". Lots of people who drink it get cancer. Throat and mouth especially

Got me thinking if Batana oil (smells smokey and is fire treated) is loaded too.

Thats probably what happens to any palm oil if you burn the hell out of it. Turns dark, burnt, stinky. And youre slathering it into your skin. :(

Ahh I see that you meant the yerba mate was carcinogenic, my bad shudder: Still not everything that is smoked or roasted in a similar way will cause cancer just because yerba mate does. There are hundreds and hundreds of products that go through extraction and curing methods like this, leathers/meats/oils/butters/nuts/spices/coffee/cocoa/fibers/blah. I'm far more skeptical of all the plastics we use and also how we dispose of them as being carcinogenic. Of course its a big money industry, involving all the people that we rely on to notify us if there is a health concern.

goldloli
July 9th, 2013, 06:47 PM
Obviously we all have our own risk tolerances. But worry about cancer is not particularly high on my list of reasons for avoiding lapsang souchoung tea, or Russian Caravan style teas.

mmm, yeah i'd take my cancer chances for that stuff

ravenreed
July 9th, 2013, 07:20 PM
Also, I read something that indicated that the throat and mouth cancers might instead be caused by the high temperature at which Yerba Mate is traditionally consumed.

jeanniet
July 9th, 2013, 10:45 PM
Hmmm, that's interesting. I would be very surprised if Guayaki was promoting a carcinogenic product. They're headquartered across the street from the coffee house I go to, and as far as I know they're a very progressive company.

Cassie_
July 9th, 2013, 11:25 PM
I have heard that oils may become carcinogenic when they reach their smoke point. Of course, as I don't know the smoke point or what temperature is used to extract the oil, any answer at this point would be pure conjecture. If you do decide to send some in for testing, I would be interested in hearing the results.

The same question could be asked of all of our oils, I guess. I appreciate you bringing up the possibility for our consideration.