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Ravenwind
April 29th, 2013, 04:03 PM
Hello all :)

I have ANOTHER question regarding hair dye, and I need your expert opinions! I keep going back to henna since this is what seems to work best for me.

So. It's been a year and a half since I lasted dyed my hair with henna. Just henna. Now, the top half of my hair is dirty blonde, and the bottom half is henna red.

I want to get 100 grams of henna, and 100 grams of cassia, and mix those together to get a copper color. Since my hair is two-toned, what could it possibly turn out like? I'm kinda guessing the top half is going to turn out brighter than the bottom half since it's completely virgin hair. I want to get an idea of what color I'd end up with before I buy it.

Also, I want to go with copper because although henna by itself is a beautiful color, I think it's too dark for me (I'm fair skinned and hardly ever go in the sun ;P) I also have green eyes and I think copper would compliment them well :)

Can I achieve this color with my hair color now? It's still kinda dark so I'm not sure if I can or not.

Thanks so much!

Just for references, I'd like to achieve a hair color along these lines:

http://pinterest.com/maryrockshair/copper-hair-color/

I really like Christina Hendrick's color (second to last on the right)

Or maybe even like Sansa Stark (GOT reference) ;)
http://theoutsiderarg.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/sophie-turner-as-sansa-stark/

And here's what my hair currently looks like (color-wise)
http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t405/kirstiedawn/small_zps0098344f.jpg (http://s1058.photobucket.com/user/kirstiedawn/media/small_zps0098344f.jpg.html)

Libbylou
April 29th, 2013, 05:33 PM
There are several color charts out with henna and other leaves. hennaforhair. Henna King is where I got my batch. I wanted to keep my brown hair. Even if you just google henna and cassia you would probably get a color chart.

Vampyria
April 29th, 2013, 05:34 PM
The colour you want looks a bit light to me, so your natural colour would probably have to be lighter to achieve that. Try to Google what kind of results others with similar hair colour got. I think it would be better, if you start with a lot less henna and more cassia just on the top, but then the top would indeed be quite brighter. If you also henna the lower part it might get to dark. If it's too light you can always do another application, but if it's to dark, you can't really do much.

I can't really tell, what it would look like, but my hair is darker than yours (medium to dark brown I think) and with cassia henna mix in 5:1 ratio I got pretty coppery/orange-brown colour.

It also depends on what type of henna you use. Moroccan (the one I used) and Jamila (I have no experience with this one though) give the most copper results as far as I know. I've also read, that it turns darker, if you mix it with lemon juice.

This site might also be helpful: http://hennablogspot.com/basic-henna-recipes-from-light-copper-to-red/

ETA: I left it on my hair for 6 hours, but my henna was not quite fresh (at least two years old), so it probably wasn't that strong.

Ravenwind
April 29th, 2013, 05:43 PM
Thanks for your responses :) I have already checked out henna for hair and I believe the blog spot as well, I always got my henna from www.hennasooq.com and I got Jamila henna. I agree, my natural color would need to be lighter in order to get a coppery color. But I'd still be interested to see how the 50/50 henna/cassia would look :)

Dorothy
April 29th, 2013, 07:23 PM
I mess around a lot with Cassia and Henna, and I see no reason why you couldn't put henna and cassia - i use 2/3 henna, 1/3 cassia to color my greys copper, some people use 2/3 cassia, 1/3 henna, you might want to try that first, I did but it wasn't red enough for me. So put Henna and Cassia on everything above the line, and Cassia alone on the bottom. The line is clear, with a helper this should be easy, and even without, I think you could pull it off.

Cassia only has to be mixed 30 min before, so make your henna, make some cassia when you're ready to henna, and then mix it.

My guess is that your demarkation line would all but disappear. I agree with the other lady, though, I don't think you're going to get it as light as you want it. You could bleach it, but for me that would sort of defeat the whole purpose. If you are patient, eventually you will have enough greys like me to get copper later....

http://s13.postimg.org/idlgght5v/2013_pots_013.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/idlgght5v/)


That's a recent pic of my hair.

Ravenwind
April 29th, 2013, 10:42 PM
I mess around a lot with Cassia and Henna, and I see no reason why you couldn't put henna and cassia - i use 2/3 henna, 1/3 cassia to color my greys copper, some people use 2/3 cassia, 1/3 henna, you might want to try that first, I did but it wasn't red enough for me. So put Henna and Cassia on everything above the line, and Cassia alone on the bottom. The line is clear, with a helper this should be easy, and even without, I think you could pull it off.

Cassia only has to be mixed 30 min before, so make your henna, make some cassia when you're ready to henna, and then mix it.

My guess is that your demarkation line would all but disappear. I agree with the other lady, though, I don't think you're going to get it as light as you want it. You could bleach it, but for me that would sort of defeat the whole purpose. If you are patient, eventually you will have enough greys like me to get copper later....

http://s13.postimg.org/idlgght5v/2013_pots_013.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/idlgght5v/)


That's a recent pic of my hair.

Hehe it will be a long while before I get grays. I love your color though. In my picture that I posted my hair looks darker than it really is, it looks more brown there but I have natural blonde and red highlights. Thank you for your suggestions :) Also, I would need to mix the henna first as usual and leave it overnight, and then mix the cassia separately, then mix them together, correct?

Nightshade
April 30th, 2013, 08:01 AM
I have light to medium brown hair and get a more coppery color with 35% henna, 65% cassia. I've also hit the darker length of my hair (from henna build up) with Sun-In to lighten it up, so that's always an option to even out your color, too :) There's an entire thread dedicated to Sun-In and henna that'd give you instructions if you were interested!

Ravenwind
April 30th, 2013, 09:59 AM
I have light to medium brown hair and get a more coppery color with 35% henna, 65% cassia. I've also hit the darker length of my hair (from henna build up) with Sun-In to lighten it up, so that's always an option to even out your color, too :) There's an entire thread dedicated to Sun-In and henna that'd give you instructions if you were interested!

Thanks! :) I'm horrible with percentages, so how many grams of each would you be using? xD

Nightshade
April 30th, 2013, 10:04 AM
Really, so long as you use the same ratio it doesn't matter if you use grams or whatever. So I normally do 3.5 TB of henna and 6.5 TB of cassia and call it good :D

Intotouch
April 30th, 2013, 03:40 PM
Hi. I suggest that you err on the side of caution and either do a few strand tests on your hair or start with a whole head application using a low quantity of henna to cassia, in the ratio of 1:4 for example. I get a bright copper on my grey hair using these proportions. I mix the powder with yogurt in the proportion of 1:2. You can always make a stronger mix and apply it later if this is too light. Everyone's hair seems to be different. I took ages doing strand tests before figuring out the right mix for me. Collecting balls of hair to dye from your brush might be a good way to start.

Bear in mind that henna does get darker with each subsequent application so if you want a bright copper once you get it only do your roots after this.

Ravenwind
April 30th, 2013, 04:05 PM
Thanks ladies :) I'm thinking I may just try cassia by itself first and see how my hair does, and maybe that will help boost my natural color a bit before I decide to henna again :)

Ravenwind
May 1st, 2013, 02:12 PM
I found this henna (cassia) http://www.light-mountain-hair-color.com/item.php?item=187125 and a local health food store sells it and I thought I could try that since it would be cheaper than buying it online. Does anyone have experience with it? I'm kinda iffy about using it since their other "henna" colors include auburn, dark brown, chestnut, etc. and I know the only real henna is just plain 100% BAQ henna.

Nightshade
May 21st, 2013, 03:01 PM
Light Mountain is pure herbs, but the dye tends to be very weak and the sift very poor, meaning you won't get much stain and it'll be harder to rinse out.

cmg
May 21st, 2013, 05:20 PM
You have gotten some great advice here, but why not try a henna gloss? All the cassia does is stalling the henna from getting too dark too soon anyway. Try a Tsp henna in a cup of condish and let it sit in your hair for 30 min or more. This may give you a hint of what a full henna or cassiamix will do for your hair.

/ CMG