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Number 3
February 2nd, 2013, 12:45 PM
I have frizzy hair and it looks I can't ever use the flat iron as it damages my hair.

My dermatologist said it doesn't damage the hair or causes hair loss if its done on good healthy hair. If you already have bad hair or have hair loss issues you should skip the treatment.


Anyone had it?
What are your thoughts?

littlestarface
February 2nd, 2013, 01:08 PM
How do you have keratin done to it??

teal
February 2nd, 2013, 01:16 PM
My understanding is that frizzy hair is often curly hair which is being handled as though it's straight hair. It's not the same, and shouldn't be treated the same. There's a wurly/curly thread here somewhere with some great tips, both on determining the level of curl and what to do with it. It helped me!

leslissocool
February 2nd, 2013, 01:22 PM
Yeah my hair has to be treated like curly, it has curl. If I don't it becomes a crazy poof ball.

Kaelee
February 2nd, 2013, 01:27 PM
Keratin itself is protein, it won't damage the hair. But a lot of those "keratin treatments" DO damage it, not to mention being all sorts of toxic.

littlestarface
February 2nd, 2013, 01:34 PM
Keratin itself is protein, it won't damage the hair. But a lot of those "keratin treatments" DO damage it, not to mention being all sorts of toxic.

How do you the keratin without the damage?

Oldfashioned
February 2nd, 2013, 02:04 PM
Have you thought about trying Cassia? I had SUPER frizzy hair before I tried henna last week and my hair is wonderful now! Cassia should help with your hair the same way just without the color... something to think about anyway. I would imagine it's less expensive too so what do you got to lose? :)

leslissocool
February 2nd, 2013, 02:47 PM
How do you the keratin without the damage?

I got something on ebay that was a keratin protein treatment you put on your conditioner. You could blow fry and straighten to seal it or it took a while to air dry but you could. I did it, it worked wonders on my fried hair even without heat.

It's the blowdry and the straighter that could damage if not done right.

lapushka
February 2nd, 2013, 03:14 PM
Keratin itself is protein, it won't damage the hair. But a lot of those "keratin treatments" DO damage it, not to mention being all sorts of toxic.

I strongly suspect the OP is talking about "keratin treatments", and those are very damaging.

Why not go search the wurly/curly thread and learn how to deal with frizzy, wurly, curly hair with other means than damaging ones?

littlestarface
February 2nd, 2013, 03:20 PM
I got something on ebay that was a keratin protein treatment you put on your conditioner. You could blow fry and straighten to seal it or it took a while to air dry but you could. I did it, it worked wonders on my fried hair even without heat.

It's the blowdry and the straighter that could damage if not done right.

hmm I wonder if a heat cap would help seal it in too? Thank you for this info:)

jeanniet
February 2nd, 2013, 04:11 PM
If you've been flat ironing your hair, it's probably already damaged, so you might want to rethink the keratin treatment just on that basis. Frizzy nearly always means your hair is curly and lacks moisture, that's something to consider. Boosting moisture might really improve the overall condition.

Allychan
February 2nd, 2013, 06:20 PM
Don't do it. It looks great for around 3-6mths and then it starts to break off. Have a look at my photo album if you don't believe me. If your hair is past your shoulders and you are trying to grow it longer, seriously, you will regret it. Look at my signature picture, the short hair is from Keratin treatments

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOn't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UltraBella
February 2nd, 2013, 07:08 PM
I own two salons and I've never seen a keratin treatment that didn't make the client's hair look awful later. AWFUL. I would personally stay away from it.

leslissocool
February 2nd, 2013, 07:32 PM
hmm I wonder if a heat cap would help seal it in too? Thank you for this info:)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41G2l6Qv4BL._SL500_SS500_.jpg

I used a heat pad on top, it worked great. My hair felt amazing afterwards, and it lasted for months. But then again, I didn't do the Brazilian straightening nor did I use any heat whatsoever on it. I used it as a protein treatment when my hair was severely bleached ( I think I had a thread about it, I don't know though). This works great on hair that has a lot of damage though, not virgin hair. I used it on my virgin hair made it crunchy.

OP, I've heard the keratin treatments with the blow drying and the straightening can be devastating to hair if not done properly. My BFF is certified on it and she saw people do it who weren't constantly. I wouldn't go for it.

Mesmerise
February 2nd, 2013, 11:59 PM
If you're talking about the straightening treatments, then listen to a professional stylist about what they do to hair NOT a dermatologist!! Dermatologists don't exactly specialise in the health of hair! If someone like Ultrabella says they're going to wreck your hair, I'd listen to her!!

BTW before I joined LHC it was my plan to have a keratin treatment to straighten my hair! Boy am I glad I didn't.

tsf
February 3rd, 2013, 07:43 AM
I have had keratin done, at a good salon. I don't think that the keratin harmed my hair. HOWEVER - I had no idea that the shampoo that is used prior to the keratin strips every bit of moisture out and leaves it extremely tangly. So I lost a lot of hair that day. I'm not opposed to doing it again, but if I do, I will go to the salon and get the special pre-keratin shampoo and wash it myself in the shower. When I wash my hair carefully in the shower, combing it under the running water, I don't lose hair, but washing it in the sink at the salon always tangles it. So if you decide to do it, consider doing the pre-wash yourself. I don't know the name of the shampoo but it is some special thing.

Was it worth it? I don't know. I mean it did make it a little less frizzy but I'm not sure it was worth it. I might do it again, not sure.

palaeoqueen
February 4th, 2013, 03:48 PM
Don't do it. It looks great for around 3-6mths and then it starts to break off. Have a look at my photo album if you don't believe me. If your hair is past your shoulders and you are trying to grow it longer, seriously, you will regret it. Look at my signature picture, the short hair is from Keratin treatments

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOn't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly this, my hair is still breaking off two years later, I suspect it will continue to break until all the treated hair has finally been cut off.

Allychan
February 4th, 2013, 04:12 PM
Exactly this, my hair is still breaking off two years later, I suspect it will continue to break until all the treated hair has finally been cut off.

Me too. I still have around 4in to cut off but that part of my hair is where it is thin and, most likely still susceptible to breakage. I have been cutting that part out gradually over the last two years and sad to think about how long it would've been had I not had the Keratin treatments. Live and learn...:shrug:

Number 3
March 15th, 2014, 03:17 AM
Hey ladies,

I did the treatment last May.
My hair was friz-less for the first time. Curls did loosened about 60-70%

After 3 months I noticed the effect was starting to go, after 6 months I would say 80% of the effect was gone.
Now after 10 months, frizz is back, but not as before, curls are still there except they loosened a little around 20-30%. But my ends are 100% straight.

Would do it again if I had the money, but for now I'm starting henna.

Firefox7275
March 15th, 2014, 08:10 AM
If you're talking about the straightening treatments, then listen to a professional stylist about what they do to hair NOT a dermatologist!! Dermatologists don't exactly specialise in the health of hair! If someone like Ultrabella says they're going to wreck your hair, I'd listen to her!!

BTW before I joined LHC it was my plan to have a keratin treatment to straighten my hair! Boy am I glad I didn't.

Actually hair health IS part of the field of dermatology, whereas stylists specialise in creating an aesthetic (bleaching, heat tools, relaxing). Many know next to nothing about product ingredients or how certain processes damage hair or skin - very much down to the individual to read published studies or professional journals.

Oftentimes the issue in such debates is defining 'damage': I think of what is scientifically measurable (porosity, elasticity) or can be seen under a microscope, others think of visible damage (split ends, breakage) only. For that I use the word 'fried'.

bunnylake
March 15th, 2014, 10:02 AM
From everything I hear about it, it's one of the most damaging things you could possibly do to your hair.

Number 3
March 20th, 2014, 08:33 AM
Actually hair health IS part of the field of dermatology, whereas stylists specialise in creating an aesthetic (bleaching, heat tools, relaxing). Many know next to nothing about product ingredients or how certain processes damage hair or skin - very much down to the individual to read published studies or professional journals. Oftentimes the issue in such debates is defining 'damage': I think of what is scientifically measurable (porosity, elasticity) or can be seen under a microscope, others think of visible damage (split ends, breakage) only. For that I use the word 'fried'. Exactly, I don't trust hairdressers, unless what color to choose or a new haircut. But when it comes to oils, shampoos or any other hair product or treatment I only seek advice from my dermatologist. Isn't the dermatologist the first person we head too concerning hair loss or slowness hair growth? We get blood test done and see what minerals are missing. Same goes for nail.

kganihanova
March 20th, 2014, 08:56 AM
Ooooooh no. I've heard bad bad things about this treatment. The fact that it uses so much heat is telling about its effects.

kganihanova
March 20th, 2014, 09:02 AM
Don't do it. It looks great for around 3-6mths and then it starts to break off. Have a look at my photo album if you don't believe me. If your hair is past your shoulders and you are trying to grow it longer, seriously, you will regret it. Look at my signature picture, the short hair is from Keratin treatments

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOn't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you don't mind my asking, how did it start breaking off? Gradually or was it a chemical cut?

Anje
March 20th, 2014, 09:16 AM
Just echoing. "Keratin" is the protein that makes up hair and nails, so as a protein it's not damaging. That's what the doctor was talking about. Some people do well with applying additional protein to their hair occasionally. It can really strengthen hair, particularly hair that is porous or damaged.

The "Keratin straightening treatments" aka Japanese Straightening and/or Brazilian Straightening are something else entirely. Harsh chemicals that break down the chemical bonds in your hair, high heat... You'll have massive damage.

Have you looked at the Curly Girl method yet? It won't give you instant results, but it'll give you improving frizz AND healthier hair.

Number 3
March 22nd, 2014, 04:50 AM
Thank everyone.

I've already posted an update in page 2.

And, Anje, CO was no good for me, conditioner does make my frizz worse, and found a couple of people here suffer the same thing.

blankie
April 8th, 2014, 05:24 AM
I had the keratin done in 2011 and had the same thing happen to me! I had three treatments done between november 2010 to march 2011. By june/july 2011, my hair was breaking off exactly as you mentioned in your signature pic. and three years later, it has gotten better but not nearly what it used to be in terms of thickness and breakage. How long did it take your hair to fully recover?? I am praying the formaldehyde didn't cause permanent scalp damage. My doctor said by now, three years later, any loss in thickness and breakage was due to stress. I had one very stressful period in 2013 for about 3 weeks and noticed a little bit of hair loss, but it seems like everything changed after the treatment. maybe i just need more time to allow my hair to heal? my hair used to be average thickness and beautiful curls, but the treatment made it like straw. I still see that straw-like texture in a few hairs and the rest seems back to normal.

Sorry, I didn't know if this is where i should post this, but it seems like you had a very similar experience to me.

And for the original post, the keratin treatment is not worth the long-term damage!! Steer clear!

blankie
April 8th, 2014, 05:26 AM
Don't do it. It looks great for around 3-6mths and then it starts to break off. Have a look at my photo album if you don't believe me. If your hair is past your shoulders and you are trying to grow it longer, seriously, you will regret it. Look at my signature picture, the short hair is from Keratin treatments

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOn't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

not sure if i am doing this write, but my reply was geared towards Allychan's comment.

ExpectoPatronum
April 8th, 2014, 12:15 PM
ETA: Of course I see this thread is from February of last year AFTER I post...WOOPS. Maybe other 'frizzies' who want a keratin treatment can use this advice anyway :)

It's sounding to me like OP really wants the keratin treatment and doesn't want to embrace the curly hair they may have :/

OP, you don't need to CO to work with curly hair. Take it from me. I thought I had super frizzy hair. It was so bad, my hair got the nickname "the beast" from my family because it would just be so wild. I tried every frizz product out there and even seriously considered getting a keratin treatment. But then I found LHC and did my hair typing photos and found that my frizz was likely from me treating wavy/curly hair like straight hair. I experimented with CG and CO and found CO to cause a lot of shedding. (By the way, conditioner won't help frizz if you're combing/brushing your waves out after a shower :) )

You don't need to CO to work with curly hair. I use shampoo bars and condition just my ends. The main cause of frizz in curlies is dryness and fighting against the texture. I really really recommend you give curly hair a shot. There are tons of threads on here with tips on how to work with curly hair. I can post some tips that have worked for me since we seem to have similar-ish hair.

-DON'T BRUSH YOUR HAIR WHEN DRY: I can't stress that enough. I save my major detangling before a wash and usually fingercomb between.
-Plopping hair after a wash.
-Scrunching hair with either a microfiber towel or cotton t-shirt. None of that terry cloth business here!
-Oiling before shampooing.
-Scrunching products in so as not to disrupt your curl pattern (this was another frizz-buster for me.)
-DON'T BRUSH YOUR HAIR WHEN DRY.
-JUST DON'T BRUSH YOUR HAIR AT ALL.
-Seriously. Even combs can make my hair frizzy. Curly hair really likes to be left alone.
-MOISTURE! Curly hair needs it. I know you said conditioner makes yours frizzy, but like I said, conditioner won't help frizz if you're brushing your curls out. Find a good rinse-out conditioner and a nice leave in. Maybe get a light oil to seal everything in.
-If you're in a hurry, diffusing on a gentle, cool seeing works great!

Curly hair thread: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=369

I know you want to do a keratin treatment, but I really recommend not doing it. My mom gets them done and she basically has not been able to get her hair to grow past shoulder length because it breaks off. She has "frizzy" hair too and refuses to work with her natural texture. :/