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RedheadMistress
December 12th, 2012, 03:52 PM
- Hi,
So I skipped a bunch of lard and butters and margarines and I didn't know what to do with them, then it hit me, I could make soap.
I don't want to make Soap but I am open to make schampoo bars, but my hair hates schampoo, so is there such a thing like conditioner bar ?
I CO and my hair Loves it, turns into a birds nest with schampoo.

I quickly read online and it said you need lye but I don't want to use any and I only want to use products I feel safe with, like a bunch of oils that I have such as coconut oil, jojoba, mineral, etc.
And some nice smelly things!

Is this possible ?

I've never made anything like this before, closest I have gotten is making my own conditioner, but I have never done a bar with lard . . but I do want to use up the lard . .

My idea (off the top of my head) is to heat up the lard, melt it, add oils, essential smelly ones too, maybe a bit of lemon, maybe some honey . . then putting it in a mold .

Then trying it out after a day, in the shower . o.o

Let me know what You think !!

akilina
December 12th, 2012, 04:25 PM
Making home made soap is all basically the same deal.
The only thing that makes shampoo bars different from normal bars from what I understand, is that you just use different oils that are more moisturizing. My mom and I made some a few months ago..we used oils like Sweet almond oil, castor oil, coconut oil, shea butter...
My mom has been making soap for 16 years so I have a little knowledge I have picked up on.

You need to use lye though to make soap (or shampoo bars) plain and simple...

I am only curious..why the aversion to lye? After the soap is cured it is not caustic or harmful. The lye is part of the whole soap making action. Without it you wont have soap.

I think a bunch of oils melted together would hardly stay solid...it would just turn into a big soppy globby melty mess once you started using it. Especially if left in the shower. I guess you could do this and put all your oils together into a bottle but I would not call that soap or conditioner. If it solidified just soak the bottle in hot water for a few.It would just be your own little mix of oils and EOs. Using it like a conditioner would be just like using any normal oil and may be hard to rinse out.

In2wishin
December 12th, 2012, 05:49 PM
Making home made soap is all basically the same deal.
The only thing that makes shampoo bars different from normal bars from what I understand, is that you just use different oils that are more moisturizing. My mom and I made some a few months ago..we used oils like Sweet almond oil, castor oil, coconut oil, shea butter...
My mom has been making soap for 16 years so I have a little knowledge I have picked up on.


A quick correction. There are shampoo bars that are made like soap and there are shampoo bars made with the same ingredients as liquid shampoo but no water. The latter are often referred to as "solid shampoo" or "solid conditioner".

To comment on the OP's question: to make a shampoo bar you need some kind of cleanser. This forms during the saponification process (the process in which the acids in the oils and the alkali in the lye react to each other) in a soap-type shampoo bar or is one of the ingredients in a solid shampoo type bar.

akilina
December 12th, 2012, 06:01 PM
A quick correction. There are shampoo bars that are made like soap and there are shampoo bars made with the same ingredients as liquid shampoo but no water. The latter are often referred to as "solid shampoo" or "solid conditioner".

To comment on the OP's question: to make a shampoo bar you need some kind of cleanser. This forms during the saponification process (the process in which the acids in the oils and the alkali in the lye react to each other) in a soap-type shampoo bar or is one of the ingredients in a solid shampoo type bar.

Hmm thanks for clearing that one up. See, I did say "from what I understand" I am not a diehard soap maker or anything so There are some things I don't know/and are not sure of. So the other soaps you are talking about...are they made like normal soap would be made (and they solidify?) but they are made without using any water?
I am intrigued now. What kinds of ingredients are included in making "solid shampoo/or conditioner" ??

Is that right, at least, that the only difference in making shampoo bars from soap (In the typical oil+lye fashion) is using more luscious/moisturizing oils? (Im talking aside from the different form of soap you mentioned)

Edit: on another thought, I guess I did assume that there were no "conditioner bars" just very moisturizing shampoo like soap bars. Do conditioner bars offer any sort of cleansing whatsoever?
Lol...sorry for the hijack, I am too intrigued now, and apparently my reading comprehension sucks.

In2wishin
December 12th, 2012, 06:19 PM
Hmm thanks for clearing that one up. See, I did say "from what I understand" I am not a diehard soap maker or anything so There are some things I don't know/and are not sure of. So the other soaps you are talking about...are they made like normal soap would be made (and they solidify?) but they are made without using any water?
I am intrigued now. What kinds of ingredients are included in making "solid shampoo/or conditioner" ??

Is that right, at least, that the only difference in making shampoo bars from soap (In the typical oil+lye fashion) is using more luscious/moisturizing oils? (Im talking aside from the different form of soap you mentioned)

Edit: on another thought, I guess I did assume that there were no "conditioner bars" just very moisturizing shampoo like soap bars. Do conditioner bars offer any sort of cleansing whatsoever?
Lol...sorry for the hijack, I am too intrigued now, and apparently my reading comprehension sucks.

You are correct about the saponified shampoo bars. They are made the same as soap but use oils that are more hair friendly.

As far as the solid shampoo and conditioners, they are made with ingredients that can melt and solidify as they cool. Conditioner bars can be cleansing, depending on the ingredients. Certain conditioning/detangling ingredients like BTMS are also mild surfactants so they cleanse while they condition.

akilina
December 12th, 2012, 06:38 PM
Cool, thanks for clearing all that up :)

Sillage
December 12th, 2012, 07:46 PM
What kinds of ingredients are included in making "solid shampoo/or conditioner" ??


For syndet types which are soap free, you use bout 50% powdered surfacants like SCI flakes, 25% liquid surfacants, a hardener like stearic acid, a little emusifier....

Hit send too soon, LOL

And for conditioner bars, it's mostly BTMS with some cetyl alcohol, oil and butters (other stuff too of course, but I can't remember off the top if my head).

RedheadMistress
December 12th, 2012, 07:51 PM
akalina: thank you !
I can't afford to buy lye and I'd rather use household stuff, or things I find, like the lard !


in2wishin: aha solid conditioner, that's what I want to make ! Didnt know the name for it . . I dont like schampoos but I wanted a conditioning kind of bar, to make . . without lye. Possibility ?

Sillage
December 12th, 2012, 08:03 PM
akalina: thank you !

in2wishin: aha solid conditioner, that's what I want to make ! Didnt know the name for it . . I dont like schampoos but I wanted a conditioning kind of bar, to make . . without lye. Possibility ?

Sure. You're going to have to buy a lot of other stuff tho.

http://swiftcraftymonkey.blogspot.com/2009/06/solid-conditioner-bar-recipe.html

akilina
December 12th, 2012, 08:11 PM
Wow, now I am really cleared up on all of this, so either way, if OP were to make the other form of conditioner bar she would still have to buy extra stuff. Nothing would work from just melting oils together and putting them into a mold, correct?
I just want at least that part cleared up so I don't sound like a complete arse :)

Sillage
December 12th, 2012, 08:18 PM
What you would get from melting oils (and butters or waxes to make it solid) would be like a lotion bar or a balm in bar form. Great for skin, great for oiling your hair with but not a conditioner in way we think about it.

And you do not sound like an a$$ Akilina, you're one of my favorite posters on here :)

RedheadMistress
December 12th, 2012, 08:20 PM
- Ohh idk why I didnt do this before, but I quickly checked Lush's site, I remember using jungle solid conditioner aages ago, and they have a how its made video and ingredients list and they dont have lye in it, from what I am guessing by the names.

Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnYvSIGtgQc

I think I'm just gonna go for it . . use a lot of coconut oil and lard, and a little bit other nice stuff . O.O
See how it goes. I like experimenting ^^

akilina
December 12th, 2012, 08:28 PM
What you would get from melting oils (and butters or waxes to make it solid) would be like a lotion bar or a balm in bar form. Great for skin, great for oiling your hair with but not a conditioner in way we think about it.

And you do not sound like an a$$ Akilina, you're one of my favorite posters on here :)
I figured it would make something nice...like you could melt it into a little finger pot and use it on your body/ hair.


Wow thanks, that is very nice of you to say :) Sometimes I feel like leaving the site because Im sort of a nobody but that was nice to hear

*sorry again not trying to hijack lol!

Sillage
December 12th, 2012, 08:47 PM
I figured it would make something nice...like you could melt it into a little finger pot and use it on your body/ hair.

YES! And it's so easy to make these kinds of anhydrous products. Basically it's mix n match with your favorite butters, oils, and waxes. Really fun and stress free.



Wow thanks, that is very nice of you to say :) Sometimes I feel like leaving the site because Im sort of a nobody but that was nice to hear

*sorry again not trying to hijack lol!

Haha sometimes I feel like I'm screaming into the void too ;)

In2wishin
December 12th, 2012, 09:50 PM
Sure. You're going to have to buy a lot of other stuff tho.

http://swiftcraftymonkey.blogspot.com/2009/06/solid-conditioner-bar-recipe.html

Of the ingredients in that recipe, the only ones you really need to have would be the BTMS, oils, and butters. The proteins, cones, etc are optional. The cetyl alcohol is great and helpful, but not an absolute necessity.

Sillage
December 12th, 2012, 11:16 PM
Well sure you could make it bare bones, but where's the fun in that? :) Also, for someone making their first conditioner bar, I would recommend using Swift's recipe as is.

The cetyl alcohol is there to make the bar harder, I wouldn't skip it.

In2wishin
December 13th, 2012, 09:16 AM
Well sure you could make it bare bones, but where's the fun in that? :) Also, for someone making their first conditioner bar, I would recommend using Swift's recipe as is.

The cetyl alcohol is there to make the bar harder, I wouldn't skip it.

You are right about the cetyl alcohol but, in the interest of cost, you can do without if necessary. I make conditioner bars and have had OK results without it, excellent results with it.

Sillage
December 13th, 2012, 10:55 AM
Interesting In2wishin-- good information to know :)