Home made protein treatment vs hydrolyzed protein

[jaquelines]

I was wondering if they are any really benefits regarding the protein intake from homemade protein treatments vs commercial products containing hydrolyzed protein.
From what I have read, the protein itself is too big as a molecule to be absorbed by the hair. Besides coconut oil, who has a smaller fracture, there are no other natural products containing protein that could really penetrate the hair shaft.
What is your opinion ? I need some protein treatment and I was wondering if it is worth to do all the work ( on a regular basis ) while I could buy a product like aphogee, ore joico.
I have found this link on internet and reading also other stuff from the same blogger I am wondering if there is any real beenfit from the home made ones, or if a commercial product containing hydrolyzed protein is a better choice for the protein.

http://thenaturalhaven.blogspot.com/...t-2-of_03.html

another quote from the same blogger :

"The protein part of eggs (egg white/egg albumin) has a molecular weight of approximately 33000- 40000 (The Journal of Biological Chemistry, pg 189-193, 1939). I can't find a reference for hydrolysed egg albumin size but I would strongly suspect that this molecular weight is too large to be beneficial. "

[LunaMoon]

Jaquelines, I love the aphogee 2 min keratin. The protein in the eggs can just stay on the suface of the hair, can't penetrate it. In my personal experience makes my hair dull, straight (I am wavy) and heavy. Aphogee products have the kind of protein can penetrate the hair. I also use the hardcore 2 steps aphogee but not the regular way, I just mix 1 tablespoon of the stuff in my conditioner, stay 30 minutes and wash out. It is not so messy than eggs too.

[jaquelines]

Oh, so you don´t use it in the saloon? They don´t have it in my saloon and I wanted just simply use it at home.
Is not that I am lazy because I do spend (too) much time with my hair, but when I read stuff like this I think - why the heck should I spend so many hours doing a "home made treatment" when I don´t get the same effects and is not the "real" protein that my hair needs.
I am fine with protein treatments made at home, because I always moisturize after, but if I see it right, it is correct, that home made protein treatments don´t really penetrate the hair, comparing to the commercial ones. And I am talking only about cone- and mineral free protein treatments ( I don´t have tested yet the Aphogee , but I hope they don´t have any cones or minerals ) .

[jaquelines]

I just did a research and realized that aphogee has mineral oil - not for me. Damn. I was looking for a strong protein treatment without cones, ore mineral oils.

[whitestiletto]

I was wondering if they are any really benefits regarding the protein intake from homemade protein treatments vs commercial products containing hydrolyzed protein.
From what I have read, the protein itself is too big as a molecule to be absorbed by the hair.

"The protein part of eggs (egg white/egg albumin) has a molecular weight of approximately 33000- 40000 (The Journal of Biological Chemistry, pg 189-193, 1939). I can't find a reference for hydrolysed egg albumin size but I would strongly suspect that this molecular weight is too large to be beneficial. "

Hydrolyzed protein (albumin or other) would be of variable smaller size. Hydrolyze means to break up into smaller pieces, in a nonspecific manner, basically to fragment the protein. 40000Da is a relatively large protein.

I'm not sure about the logic of needing tiny proteins to penetrate your hair shaft, even a 40kDa protein like in eggs is still very very small compared to the space under the hair cuticle...

In the end, protein is protein, and hydrolyzed protein is smaller pieces of protein. If you prefer a commercial protein product I think you should go for it.

ETA: My favorite protein treatment is simple, a whole avocado cut in half, seed removed, then combed through hair until it all wears down into my hair. I think it's really easy to apply, I hold it in the peel like it's a brush and rub it down the length of my hair like I'm brushing it... It costs like $1 to do my whole head, and the avocado supplies protein and hair-penetrating oil. My hair is always soft, smooth, and shiny afterwards.

[jaquelines]

oh no, is not that i prefer commercial products, i use all kind of home made stuff ( oils, honey, banana, yoghurt, etc..) but according to the article only broken protein could penetrate unde the hair shaft to "patch" the missing spaces of damaged hair.

http://www.worldofhaircare.com/index...d=56&Itemid=60

i found also this, doesn´t help me much, but it writes about proteins




All proteins are strengthening proteins to some degree but here are the more specific characteristics of these proteins:


All hair is composed of tough fibrous proteins called Keratins. Keratin is a protein composed of 18 different amino acids. These chains of amino acids create hair structure.

All Proteins consist of Amino Acids. Only 20 of the more than 80 Amino Acids found in nature serve as building blocks for Proteins. There are 18 different Amino Acids found in hair.


Hydrolyzed Soy Flower – Increases the hair’s ability to retain essential moisture, which protects it from damage. Hydrolyzed Soy Flower works in the cuticle layer of the hair to improve the tensile strength of the hair.

Collagen Protein--known for increasing elasticity in the hair

Silk Protein--known for softening the hair

Wheat Protein--a moisturizing and strengthening protein. known for increasing the hair's ability to maintain & receive moisture also.
Wheat Protein – Hydrotritleum Waa tm – Wheat Protein, a solution of wheat Amino Acids, also has the right molecular weight of approximately 150-2000. Again, with this molecular weight, it can penetrate all the layers of the hair shaft, and condition from the inside out. We use this protein because it has an enhanced powerful moisturization ability. This increased moisture retention makes hair healthier inside and shinier outside. It will improve hair’s gloss and make the hair shaft soft and supple, adding to its healthy shiny appearance.

Keratin Protein--responsible for keeping the hair strong and pliable. This is the strongest of the(hair product) proteins and is actually the one that hair is made from. This one re-structures hair that has been damaged or broken down by chemicals. It helps to replace the amino acid cysteine which is the main one lost during chemical processing. This is the heavy duty protein. If you see the following as an ingredient

*Vegetable protein -- Vegetable protein absorbs more easily into the hair shaft [than animal protein] and does not create build-up, leaves the hair very shiny, radiant, luxuriant, and healthy.

*Animal protein -- Animal protein breaks down into fatty acids, which coat the hair and create residual build-up.

Silk Amino Acids/Protein--Natural silk is the strongest, natural fiber known to mankind. Discovered in Japan and has been used for centuries in all kinds of products that require durability. Silk has a tiny molecule that can penetrate the entire hair shaft deeper than all other proteins without adding any weight leaving the hair feeling clean and non-greasy

Keratin protein More Indept:

*a) Keratin protein--this will re-structure and strengthen the hair cuticle (the outer layer only & the most important layer)

The keratin in some reconstructors should not leave your hair hard like the Aphogee Treatment for damaged hair (which contains hydrolyzed animal protein). This treatment hardens on your hair for a reason and is used with mild heat. A moisturizing conditioner is a must with this in order to soften like Keracare's humecto.

Reconstructors that contain keratin and other proteins are supposed to have enough moisture to soften the hair therefore leaving your hair with a nice protein/moisture balance."


* Hydrolyzed Keratin Protein or Keratin Amino Acids--this means that the Keratin molecules have been broken down and are small enough to go beyond the cuticle and penetrate the hair shaft. It will strengthen all 3 layers of the hair. That is why the term "deep conditioning" technically only refers to this kind of treatment using penetrating proteins.


*c) Hydrolyzed Human Hair Keratin--This is an exact match for the keratin your hair has (or has lot due to chemical processing). This is the highest quality and most potent keratin that can be used in hair products.

Hydrolyzed Human Hair Keratin Protein – Cretein HKP is produced by hydrolyzing human hair down to a molecular weight of approximately 150-2000. It is mixture of Amino Acids. These highly moisture-binding Amino Acids will moisturize and take that dull look away, and because this process is essentially putting hair back into hair, you will see benefits such as body and bounce and shine appear.

[ange1ito]

You certainly have done your research I use castor oil which has a mineral base to it and I found it lessened my splits. I am looking for natural ways to maintain my hair too so I shall be keeping a look out too and let you know. Alot of people use coconut oil but this still did'nt help me.

[jaquelines]

I use coconut oil as well, but my hair still needs protein and i don´t know where to get it !
Hopefully more ladies will participate to this. Another problem is that so far on the market, from what I´ve seen , the really "heavy" protein treatments contain cone, or mineral oils, which i do not want to use. Babyface has paraben, which I am not familiar with regarding the damage on hair, but it doesn´t sound safety either.

[jaquelines]

Anyone else ?

[theodora]

Have you looked into the Giovanni protein deep treatment? I haven't used it but I trust Giovanni in general to be fairly natural. It should be cone-free and mineral oil free, but do check.