I can't help you but if I may I will slightly hijack your thread I will ask for advice from people for getting me some spin pins aswell. I have wanted them for a while and now I need them for work hairdo reasons. Just don't know how to get them. I was trying to get them from Amazon but it seems not many items are delivered to Finland. I was going to buy the Good hair day grips at the same time but it seems I can't get any delivered here.