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    Default Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage

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    While looking for research support for my belief that honey lightening is non damaging to hair (as well as naturally produced peroxide in general), based on reports in Honey threads, I found this.
    1999
    “Protection by the Flavonoids Myricetin, Quercetin, and Rutin Against Hydrogen Peroxide-Induced DNA Damage …."
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract


    The 3 flavonoids mentioned, Myricetin, Quercetin, and Rutin are all found in honey and the peroxide boosters, ground cinnamon, ground cardamom and extra virgin olive oil. Gallic acid is found in coconut oil.
    1993
    "In the Ames test, gallic acid esters showed protective effects against H2O2-induced cytotoxicity …."
    http://grande.nal.usda.gov/ibids/ind...s&therow=25033


    Same researchers, Date, 2007
    "Experimental evidence suggests .... most herbs and spices possess .... wide range of biological and pharmacological activities .... may protect tissues against H2O2-induced damage."
    http://pt.wkhealth.com/pt/re/bjon/ab...195628!8091!-1

    In honey lightening, these natural phytochemicals are in place while the peroxide is being produced and IMO, supports the reports that no hair damage has occured.

    But, if you look at the implications of this, what it could potentially mean is that a herb or spice infusion, or oil, applied to the hair first and not rinsed out, could help protect the hair from hydrogen peroxide damage from conventional hair colour.
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    Default Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage

    Of course this will not be that simple.

    1. How strong an infusion is needed?

    2. How long does the infusion need to be left on the hair before the hair colour is applied on top of it?

    There are no doubt more questions to be answered.

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    Default Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage

    Catnip will not work for this. It contains iron and manganese, 2 of the main minerals that can deplete peroxide.

    They are, iron, manganese, copper, nickel and chromium.
    http://web1.caryacademy.org/chemistr...oxide/home.htm

    There are plenty of other choices though, IMO.
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    Scratch mullein.

    "Statistical data .... on 93 herbs .... Mullein (leaf) is the third highest plant in the nutrient iron at 23.6 mg. .... is also high in .... vitamin C. Source: Nutritional Herbology by Mark Pedersen."
    http://www.herbaleducator.com/herbs_mullein.html
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    Chamomile looks ok to me from these statistics. See the tables on vitamin and mineral contents.
    http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/beverages/4020/2

    German chamomile contains both quercetin and rutin and while from my experience, it can build-up on hair, that depends on how often it is used and how strong an infusion is made.
    http://www.rain-tree.com/chamomile.htm

    German chamomile is the least expensive and easiest to find of the 2 chamomiles on the market. It is the one found in grocery stores. Roman chamomile is mostly found online and in some health food stores. Both have many of the same constituents.

    "Roman chamomile contains .... flavonoids (inc. rutin) ...."
    http://www.herbs2000.com/herbs/herbs_chamomile_rom.htm

    More on the 2 chamomiles
    "Both chamomiles .... used in traditional herbalism and medicine .... German chamomile .... more frequently preferred for medicinal use."
    http://www.uspharmacist.com/oldforma...article_id=100

    German chamomile safety
    http://www.drugs.com/npp/chamomile.html

    Roman chamomile safety
    http://www.florahealth.com/flora/hom...tm#SideEffects
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    Chamomile tea can add colour to the hair, but again it depends on how strong the infusion is made.

    For this purpose, 1 tablespoon or less of either coconut oil or EVOO can be added. Too much oil might interfere with the hair colour's ability to do its job and take evenly. I suggest 1/2 tablespoon to start.

    Both oils contain flavonoids that are protective against H202 damage.

    This is a potential recipe, IMO.

    While the oils contain natural peroxide, they have not been reported to lighten hair much at all on their own.
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    When ever I color my hair (perment), I coat my hair with coconut oil first and allow it to soak in for awhile, then color right over top of it. I find my hair likes this method, in fact I didn't even use the conditioner that came with the color package last time. After the coloring was done, I rinsed it, then washed with shampoo and used my normal conditioner. I also find that this process seems to help the color grab the greys better.

    Great study ktani, you sure did a good deal of research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda View Post
    When ever I color my hair (perment), I coat my hair with coconut oil first and allow it to soak in for awhile, then color right over top of it. I find my hair likes this method, in fact I didn't even use the conditioner that came with the color package last time. After the coloring was done, I rinsed it, then washed with shampoo and used my normal conditioner. I also find that this process seems to help the color grab the greys better.

    Great study ktani, you sure did a good deal of research.
    Thank you Linda

    I do not colour with conventional colour and I had read that it is not a good idea to deep condition before doing so because it may affect how evenly the colour takes. I was unsure until your post, how oil would affect the process in that regard.

    So coconut oil works well as a pre treatment without affecting how well the colour takes. Does it slow the processing down at all?

    How has the coconut oil been in terms of preventing any damage from the colouring?
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    I'm pleased with the results; and really do believe it miimizes damage. The Garnier brand color uses Avacodo Oil in theirs and touts it to be not damaging; I prefer coconut as I use it is a treatment for my hair fairly regular so always have it on hand. My hair had to combat years of bad treatment and thyroid problems. I've not cut my hair in close to 10 years and while I won't say there are no split ends, there are not many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda View Post
    I'm pleased with the results; and really do believe it miimizes damage. The Garnier brand color uses Avacodo Oil in theirs and touts it to be not damaging; I prefer coconut as I use it is a treatment for my hair fairly regular so always have it on hand. My hair had to combat years of bad treatment and thyroid problems. I've not cut my hair in close to 10 years and while I won't say there are no split ends, there are not many.
    Thank you so much.

    The gallic acid in cocout oil is a chelator and is protective against hydrogen peroxide damage, so your pre treatment is exactly the right way to go about preventing damage from colouring IMO, especially since you are applying the colour over it, and not washing it out before colourig. That is basically what they did in the research on protecting cells from peroxide damage.

    I checked out the ingredient list for a Garnier hair colour (I do not know which type of colour - there are several within the brand, that you used) with avocado oil, and the oil is pretty far down on the ingredient list (I put it in bold). I doubt that amount of oil is going to offer any protection from damage. It would need to applied as a pre treatment in any case.

    "Water Aqua , Hydrogen Peroxide , Cetearyl Alcohol , Trideceth-2 , Carboxamide MEA , Ceteareth-30 , Glycerin , Pentasodium Pentetate , Sodium Stannate , Tetrasodium Pyrophosphate , Water Aqua , Cetearyl Alcohol , Deceth-3 , Propylene Glycol , Laureth-12 , Ammonium Hydroxide , Oleth-30 , Lauric Acid , Hexadimethrine Chloride , Glycol Distearate , 5-Amino-6-Chloro-o-Cresol , Ethanolamine , Polyquaternium-22 , Silica Dimethyl Silylate , Pentasodium Pentetate , Sodium Metabisulfite , Carbomer , 4-Amino-2-Hydroxytoluene , Ascorbic Acid , Titanium Dioxide CI 77891 , Linalool , 6-Hydroxyindole , Toluene-2,5-Diamine , Limonene , Butylphenyl Methylpropional , Citronellol , Geraniol , Dimethicone , Vitis Vinifera Seed Oil Grape , Fragrance Parfum , Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone , Water , Cetearyl Alcohol , Behentrimonium Chloride , Cetyl Esters , Trideceth-12 , Chlorhexidine Dihydrochloride , Amodimethicone , Persea Gratissima Oil Avocado , Methylparaben , Citric Acid , Cetrimonium Chloride , Fragrance Parfum"
    http://www.walgreens.com/store/produ...440#ingredient

    Avocados do no contain much of any of the protective flavonoids named in the research.
    http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...v/Flav02-1.pdf

    The natural protective chelants, need to be used as a pre treatment on the hair, or chemical chelants need to be formulated into the peroxide/bleach itself, that is used.
    Last edited by ktani; September 12th, 2008 at 09:08 AM. Reason: added link and text

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