Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage

**ktani** · February 13th, 2009, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Heidi_234

Well, I bought the small 10 gr packet (I don't think they even sell something different in the cosmetic stores). It says 3 packets for 90 ml of developer cream, which means that one packet would require 30 ml of developer cream.
I used some of both the powder and the developer, but I do have a way to measure both (I found a tiny measuring cup), so I think I'll be fine.

Ah, now I see the difficulty. Thank you for clarifying that.

**ktani** · February 13th, 2009, 07:49 AM

If anyone else is having the same kind of problem, these may help.

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**Heidi_234** · February 13th, 2009, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by ktani

All I meant by that was not to have a set number of sessions in mind. Just see how it goes. Your hair is not the same as anyone else's.

By no means of course. but it gives you a general idea what to expect. The same way you know the time frames for bleaching are very small, even though they vary.

**ktani** · February 13th, 2009, 08:45 AM

Argan3 is the North American distributor/vendor for an argan oil women's cooperative in Morocco. Their prices are the best I have seen anywhere so far, for pure argan oil. They sell pure, first cold-pressed, certified organic argan oil and their customer service response time is fast, very friendly and very polite.

I can confirm the speed of response time because I have emailed them several times and I always get fast replies, within a day, usually.

They have free delivery, no minimum order, in both Montreal and Toronto.

I asked Aziz if he would be willing to ship argan oil internationally. He said yes.

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Toronto Distributor for Argan3
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Cellular at 647-286-2180.

Prices: http://www.argan3.com/english/order.php

Cosmetic argan oil is lighter in colour than the food oil (better for lighter hair colours and has almost no odour) but either should be fine to use, IMO. Traditionally, the oil from unroasted nuts (cosmetic version) is used for cosmetic and medical purposes, See "How argan oil empowers", http://friendsofmorocco.org/2008News/May08/0517News.htm.

Argan oil also has positive reports, used for both hair conditioning, and skin care, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=4796l.

**ktani** · February 13th, 2009, 09:56 AM

I saw this online the other day but the % of peroxide mentioned, did not match anything I saw online for Sun-In, elsewhere.

.... Examples of such products include SUPER SUN-IN, SUPER WITH LEMON SUN-IN, and GRADUAL SUN-IN FOR MEN. SUPER SUN-IN has about 1.9% hydrogen peroxide at a pH of about 4.0. SUPER WITH LEMON SUN-IN has about 3.7% hydrogen peroxide at a pH of about 4.0. And GRADUAL SUN-IN FOR MEN has about 3.7% hydrogen peroxide at a pH of about 3."
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5968486.html

**ktani** · February 13th, 2009, 08:51 PM

This explains to me, why henna does not necessarily redarken completely, when lemon juice has been used, because not all of the chromophores have been repaired. I have not heard of or read, that peroxide lightening of hair, has redarkened.

"Oxidizing bleaches .... break the molecules at the double bond. This results in either a shorter molecule that does not absorb visible light, or a molecule whose chromophore is either shorter or non-existant. A shorter chromophore will absorb light of a shorter wavelength than visible light .... and so does not appear colored.

Reducing bleaches such as lemon juice (in combination with sunlight) .... convert the double bonds in the chromophore into single bonds, eliminating its ability to absorb visible light. Sometimes the reaction is reversible, where oxygen in the air reacts with the molecule to repair the chromophore, and the stain returns.

.... most famous hair bleach is hydrogen peroxide .... Unlike sunlight and lemon juice, peroxide is an oxidizing bleach .... its effects are less easily undone."
http://sci-toys.com/ingredients/bleach.html

**rymorg2** · February 14th, 2009, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by Heidi_234

I think 14 applications is not excessive. Nightshade did 3-4 applications per session, and 3 session overall. She needed much less lightening than I do.
And after all, every application isn't long at all. You spray on the Sun-In, then blow dry it until dries. It dries quite fast, so the exposure time of the lightener with the hair is actually very small. At least compared to the 10 hour soak I did to get lightening with 3% household hydrogen peroxide.

Heidi, 14 applications may or may not be excessive, I can't answer that for you.

HOWEVER.....I recommend that if you plan on doing that many applications you make sure that you strand test EXACTLY like you plan. If you plan 14 applications, do 14 applications on the strand exactly like you will do on your hair, including spraying and drying each. This way you know how your hair will hold up.

I'd hate to see you not do a full strand test of the exact number of applications you plan and find that after 10 applications you have a lot of damage and breakage. Sometimes just one little extra bit of time, or one little extra application, will send someone's hair over the edge and yours is too pretty.

**ktani** · February 14th, 2009, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by rymorg2

I'd hate to see you not do a full strand test of the exact number of applications you plan and find that after 10 applications you have a lot of damage and breakage. Sometimes just one little extra bit of time, or one little extra application, will send someone's hair over the edge and yours is too pretty.

You bring up an excellent point, again from a professional perspective.

I have always thought that a "strand test" referred to a test done on the head, on hair in a place not that noticeable. But, a strand test can also be defined as a hairball test or as Nighshade does, on taped, smoothed out hair.

Thank you for giving me pause for thought.

The terminology here on the boards can be confusing to me, sometimes. Strand tests can be done off the the head, on shed hair.

So a strand test is a strand test but where it is done, can make the difference, in terms of whether the hair afterward, may need to be cut or not, following any test.

**Heidi_234** · February 14th, 2009, 06:06 AM

Thanks,

the reason I used shed hair is because: a) I was testing many different lightening methods, which required more hair than I would like to mess with on my head. b) I didn't knew which one would actually work, so I could pick just "my method' and do a strand test on my head. that's what testing is all about. c) It's easier to test and then compare hairballs than strands on the head.
Due to the fact that my hair is very curly, I just couldn't keep it smoothed out, and quickly it turned into a hairball whether I liked it or not. But other than that, I make sure I follow what I've done, so I can to the same thing on my own hair, maybe providing a 'worse case scenario', since I'll sure baby my hair more (oilings, moisture and so on). Right now I test bleaching then Sun-In, exactly the way I would do on my hair.

**ktani** · February 14th, 2009, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Heidi_234

Thanks,

the reason I used shed hair is because: a) I was testing many different lightening methods, which required more hair than I would like to mess with on my head. b) I didn't knew which one would actually work, so I could pick just "my method' and do a strand test on my head. that's what testing is all about. c) It's easier to test and then compare hairballs than strands on the head.
Due to the fact that my hair is very curly, I just couldn't keep it smoothed out, and quickly it turned into a hairball whether I liked it or not. But other than that, I make sure I follow what I've done, so I can to the same thing on my own hair, maybe providing a 'worse case scenario', since I'll sure baby my hair more (oilings, moisture and so on). Right now I test bleaching then Sun-In, exactly the way I would do on my hair.

Strand testing on shed hair is so much safer and less stressful and makes so much more sense to me, than strand testing on hair on the head.

There is no risk that any hair needs to be cut before one wants to. I think that you are using exactly the right method by doing that, to help preseve your great hair.

Good luck with all of the tests.