Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
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Originally Posted by
SeaPhoenix
Welp - my husband just brought home a bottle of hydrogen peroxide. I have a large stash of chamomile tea and coconut oil.
What I'll probably do is soak the hair in the chamomile/oil treatment, and then pick a few streaks to test the peroxide on. I'm going to try to keep it off all my natural hair growth, and just go where the henna line starts. Assuming I work up the nerve. A few small streak samples shouldn't be too dangerous though.
I suggest testing the recipe on shed hair. That way if it does not work, you will have no damage to be concerned with and you can do several tests.
Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
Welp.. I did a strand test. Let the hair soak in a chamomile/coconut oil mix (8 teabags per 2 cups hot water, with 1 tbspn oil - just soaked up the sample strand with the mix)... let that sit for 30 minutes, dipped the soaked sample strand in peroxide, bagged it and clipped it in place, let that sit for 45 minutes. Nothing happened at all. As I'm not keen on the idea of peroxide sitting any longer than that in my hair... I'm going to go ahead and give a rest on ridding my hair of the old henna.
But, I'm glad I tried it, or else I'd always be wondering "Maybe it might work." Everyone's hair is different, and what works for a lot of folks, doesn't always work for me at all... just because a couple people did get henna out with peroxide, does not mean it would work for me (though if I left it in for hours, maybe it might have shifted a smidgen... but I'm just not willing to subject my hair to quite that level of stress).
So - today my husband finally fesses up that though he thought the pictures he's seen of my blond looked "nice", he's always preferred my henna red hair before I started using indigo. He's not said anything this past year because he didn't want to influence my decision on trying to go back to natural because I was so focused on it. But, now that I know the henna, pre-indigo, really did work for me... I might just go back to a henna/cassia glossing mix on the natural growth... Not sure yet... but, I just keep going back to wanting to mess with henna again, if I can prevent the build up this time. (i.e. no more full head treatments like I used to do when I henna'd, also will dilute it down, and make sure not to leave it on for hours at a time... common sense, but, I was addicted to the stuff and had no sense of proportion control... kind of like with cheesecake lol...) I do miss the shine, and glittering glimmer my hair had with it, but, with all the chopping I've done... about 2 years worth of hair growth, I'm still going to think very long and hard before deciding on hitting even diluted henna glosses again.
But again, at least now I know from personal experiments, what doesn't work for my hair... and after a bit over a year, I finally get an honest opinion on hair color out of my husband! LOL
I wish luck and happy results to anyone else who delves into experimenting with the peroxide damage prevention stuff! :-)
Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SeaPhoenix
Welp.. I did a strand test. Let the hair soak in a chamomile/coconut oil mix (8 teabags per 2 cups hot water, with 1 tbspn oil - just soaked up the sample strand with the mix)... let that sit for 30 minutes, dipped the soaked sample strand in peroxide, bagged it and clipped it in place, let that sit for 45 minutes. Nothing happened at all. As I'm not keen on the idea of peroxide sitting any longer than that in my hair... I'm going to go ahead and give a rest on ridding my hair of the old henna.
But, I'm glad I tried it, or else I'd always be wondering "Maybe it might work." Everyone's hair is different, and what works for a lot of folks, doesn't always work for me at all... just because a couple people did get henna out with peroxide, does not mean it would work for me (though if I left it in for hours, maybe it might have shifted a smidgen... but I'm just not willing to subject my hair to quite that level of stress).
So - today my husband finally fesses up that though he thought the pictures he's seen of my blond looked "nice", he's always preferred my henna red hair before I started using indigo. He's not said anything this past year because he didn't want to influence my decision on trying to go back to natural because I was so focused on it. But, now that I know the henna, pre-indigo, really did work for me... I might just go back to a henna/cassia glossing mix on the natural growth... Not sure yet... but, I just keep going back to wanting to mess with henna again, if I can prevent the build up this time. (i.e. no more full head treatments like I used to do when I henna'd, also will dilute it down, and make sure not to leave it on for hours at a time... common sense, but, I was addicted to the stuff and had no sense of proportion control... kind of like with cheesecake lol...) I do miss the shine, and glittering glimmer my hair had with it, but, with all the chopping I've done... about 2 years worth of hair growth, I'm still going to think very long and hard before deciding on hitting even diluted henna glosses again.
But again, at least now I know from personal experiments, what doesn't work for my hair... and after a bit over a year, I finally get an honest opinion on hair color out of my husband! LOL
I wish luck and happy results to anyone else who delves into experimenting with the peroxide damage prevention stuff! :-)
Interesting results, IMO.
What level of peroxide did you use?
So, the peroxide had no effect - fascinating!
Thank you for testing this.
I wonder how the same mix would affect a conventional hair colour.
Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
I used regular household peroxide (same stuff I used to use back when I was a teen to keep my old blond hair blond, before jumping in to the world of hair dyes lol). I'd seen a couple others who successfully had pulled henna from hair using household peroxide at 45 minute increments, so used that as my time basis to try it with.
Apart from the sample strand smelling a bit like peroxide while I washed it, no effects at all. No color change, and no noticeable damage change either. I'll be curious to see if anyone tries this using conventional hair colour as well!
Even if lightening hasn't worked for me, I find the studies on the honey and other various spin offs really interesting.
Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
Here are examples of honey lightening on hennaed and henndigoed hair. Honey lightening has not been reported to damage hair and the research IMO, supports this as to why (the protective flavonoids).
I used 2 examples with henndigo - the first is after 2 henndigo treatments, the 2nd on multiple henndigo treatments.
Conditioner is no longer recommended for honey lightening and as you can see from bizzarogirl's 2nd treatment, her henna layers started to lighten, losing the burgundy colour, when much less conditioner was used and was replaced by water.
On both henndigoed and hennaed hair, the correct 4 to 1 dilution with distilled water, yielded faster, better results than previous recipes.
Honey lightening on henndigoed hair
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=227367&postcount=1901
Honey lightening on hennaed hair
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=227385&postcount=1902
Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
Pictures of honey lightening with the correct 4 to 1 dilution, which shows faster, better results reported.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1906
Pictures of honey lightening with just honey and water
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1907
Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
I believe that with the right recipe as a pre treatment, conventional peroxide can be used without the same risks of damage as not using a pre treatment, and the research supports this.
Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
When ever I color my hair (perment), I coat my hair with coconut oil first and allow it to soak in for awhile, then color right over top of it. I find my hair likes this method, in fact I didn't even use the conditioner that came with the color package last time. After the coloring was done, I rinsed it, then washed with shampoo and used my normal conditioner. I also find that this process seems to help the color grab the greys better.
Great study ktani, you sure did a good deal of research.
Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
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Originally Posted by
Linda
When ever I color my hair (perment), I coat my hair with coconut oil first and allow it to soak in for awhile, then color right over top of it. I find my hair likes this method, in fact I didn't even use the conditioner that came with the color package last time. After the coloring was done, I rinsed it, then washed with shampoo and used my normal conditioner. I also find that this process seems to help the color grab the greys better.
Great study ktani, you sure did a good deal of research.
Thank you Linda
I do not colour with conventional colour and I had read that it is not a good idea to deep condition before doing so because it may affect how evenly the colour takes. I was unsure until your post, how oil would affect the process in that regard.
So coconut oil works well as a pre treatment without affecting how well the colour takes. Does it slow the processing down at all?
How has the coconut oil been in terms of preventing any damage from the colouring?
Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
I'm pleased with the results; and really do believe it miimizes damage. The Garnier brand color uses Avacodo Oil in theirs and touts it to be not damaging; I prefer coconut as I use it is a treatment for my hair fairly regular so always have it on hand. My hair had to combat years of bad treatment and thyroid problems. I've not cut my hair in close to 10 years and while I won't say there are no split ends, there are not many.