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lajsa
December 5th, 2011, 03:30 PM
Hi guys!

Lately, I've been getting back into the habit of wearing my hair up every day. I've found that my updos get a lot smoother and better when I brush my hair upside down. This also allows me to make higher buns, which is good because lower buns keep rubbing against the collar of my jacket this time of year, which annoys me. Also, I like the looks of higher buns right now. Not INCREDIBLY high, but higher than mid-head, if I put it that way. I like brushing my hair upside down, because it makes for less oily hair since I don't scratch the scalp as much, and if I should decide to wear my hair down for a change, it'll give me much more volume.

However, no matter how happy I am with my current updo habits, I have a problem. You see, my scalp hurts when I take the updo down. :( I never make my updos tight enough to pull the hair (they don't hurt when I wear them), but when I take it down, it's as though the follicles have "gotten used" to being directed upwards, so it aches pretty badly when I let it down.

Now, my question is if this is normal? I usually just leave it be since the pain passes after a while, but now that I do these buns more often, I'm getting a bit worried. I keep thinking of this crazy scenario where eventually I will have "worn out" the follicles or something insane like that, and all my hair will fall off :doh: So, er, please tell me this is normal and not harmful to my poor head?

jacqueline101
December 5th, 2011, 03:36 PM
I had scalp pain after I switched up dos after I had the same hair do for three months. Its gone now and the strange thing is the pain is gone. I'm wearing a new up do.

white.chocolate
December 5th, 2011, 04:09 PM
Yes, that happens to me after wearing my hair in some different way and then bringing it back to the way it was before that. After I do an updo and leave it for a long time, or after I part my hair in a different way, my scalp hurts after I try reshaping it. the pain goes away after leaving it down for a few hours, or after a shower. I have no idea if this can be particularly harmful, but I always try to avoid hair styles that give me pain afterwards.

BlazingHeart
December 5th, 2011, 04:10 PM
Totally normal. I find that massaging the scalp will increase the pain in the short term sometimes, but it's much better once I'm done. Washing my hair also relieves that sensation.

ohhiitssteph
December 5th, 2011, 04:18 PM
This happens to me too! I put my hair up in high buns on days when the waves are looking awkward, and my scalp always feels odd after. It's not necessarily pain, but when I try to smooth the hair back down it feels like a bizarre sensation and it doesn't want to go back down, haha. Weird to explain. I wonder if it's because my hair is so heavy? It's very thick and very long...

Amber_Maiden
December 5th, 2011, 04:19 PM
Yep, I get that too. I have to wear my hair down at least twice a week.

Madora
December 5th, 2011, 04:20 PM
If your hair isn't accustomed to being drawn in a certain way, the roots will hurt after you take it down.

You might try gradually accustomizing your hair to the style..say leaving it up for 2 hours, then undoing it for a bit. Try for a longer up time in another 2 days, and so on until you can wear it up comfortably with no pain.

It just boils down to being patient as your hair adjusts to the new updo. You also might try sectioning it and see if you have less pain or not.

Zesty
December 5th, 2011, 04:20 PM
This happens to me too. I find that my follicles get used to it, though. When I first started wearing hair stick buns I got headaches and my scalp hurt, but short of adjusting the bun to be looser, I mostly just waited it out. Unless it's pulling it shouldn't cause hair shedding or anything.

lajsa
December 5th, 2011, 11:35 PM
Okay, so the more I wear those buns, the more the scalp will get used to it?

AnqeIicDemise
December 6th, 2011, 12:21 AM
Okay, so the more I wear those buns, the more the scalp will get used to it?

Pretty much. I just had to retrain my bangs (I cut them in a few months ago and they wouldn't stay) and had to deal with the funky scalp pain-- more of an annoyance really-- for a few weeks. Now my bangs fall naturally to the side and give me trouble when I flip the part. :rolleyes:

I can't ever win against my hair.

BBdck1
February 14th, 2012, 04:33 AM
I am so glad I found this thread! After joining LHC I started putting my hair up more to protect the ends (before my hair is down 99&#37; of the time) and my scalp would start hurting after a few hours and it would feel funny/tingly after I let my hair down. Glad to know that it's normal and I'm not slowly unrooting my hair........that would sucks >.<

Anje
February 14th, 2012, 09:53 AM
Yeah, I get that if I wear high updos too. I suppose I could try training my scalp, but I just solve the problem by wearing my hair at mid-head (ear-level-ish) or lower.

PixxieStix
February 14th, 2012, 09:59 AM
I had never experienced this until a couple months ago when I managed to wrangle my hair into something on top of my head, took it down and my scalp HURT! Any movement that shifted my hair at all was oddly painful. It only lasted an hour or so, and hasn't happened since then, but I hear it is perfectly normal. It's like working out your muscles, if you haven't done it for a long time they are gonna be sore after an hour at the gym. The more you do it, the less it will hurt. That's how I rationalized it anyway. :)

Rybe
February 14th, 2012, 12:48 PM
Oh man, taking my hair down after my wedding I thought my scalp was going to try and crawl away! (I had a bunch of intricate braids done for me, I can't braid my way out of a paper sack so clearly it's not something my scalp's used to) and that's happening to me right now. Because I slept on my cowlick strangely. Sigh. Seems to happen to me all the time, haha

heidi w.
February 14th, 2012, 01:02 PM
Scalp irritation in the wake of an updo. What's going on is somehow the hair has been drawn in a direction other than the hair grows, and the capillaries just under the scalp skin become swelled in time, and this is the cause of the pain -- whether or not one pulled the scalp hair taut or not. Just merely re-directing the hair from its natural growth direction can irritate things.

It took me some time to learn to create a loose enough updo that didn't aggravate my scalp.

If you're putting hair up AFTER drawing all the hair forward, then absolutely you're moving the hair in a direction opposite the way it grows in.

You can try getting used to it by building up to it as suggested by Madora, but I think you may have to find a way to create updos that are more in line with the way your hair grows.

You can also consider sectioning the hair. Such as creating two smaller buns.

Lots of people changing their hair part also have scalp pain after doing so.

Just FYI.

heidi w.

woolyleprechaun
February 14th, 2012, 01:05 PM
I have this most days, and Ive gotten quite fond of the sensation over the years....I just love the 'aaaahhh' feeling of a massage to aliviate the discomfort. When I was little, I used to talk about it with my friends when we dressed eachothers hair. We called it 'Hair Ache' and I have done ever since :)

twopoints
February 14th, 2012, 02:56 PM
I get the same thing but it has decreased as I've worn more buns at the top of my head. I suggest doing what Madora advised as when I first wore my hair up on my head, my scalp hurt a lot but now, the pain is much less now. I hope it goes away eventually because I find buns on the top of my head to be convenient as I can lie down without taking it out.

CherrySilver
February 14th, 2012, 04:55 PM
I wish there were an easy answer to this, too. Training my hair really hasn't helped, as it is I wear it up most of the time. Even wearing it looser doesn't really seem to help -- I think it's probably the weight of my hair (didn't bother me nearly as much at shorter lengths).

Massage definitely helps a lot. I take it down and massage upside down before twisting back up into a bun again. Maybe a quick, simple sectioning style would work. Don't know about the two bun thing, though. One big dorky bun on the top of my head is bad enough!

FrenchTwist
February 14th, 2012, 08:30 PM
Same thing happens to me - whenever my hair is long and I put it high on my head in a ponytail my scalp hurts afterward. I am sorry you have same problem, but it is nice to know I am not only one experiencing this.

papillon
February 14th, 2012, 10:30 PM
This is precisely the reason I cannot wear my hair up for too long. I can wear an updo for a couple of hours, but then I have to undo it. Otherwise I end up with a really bad headache. My hair is pretty heavy, so that might have something to do with it too.

hanne jensen
February 15th, 2012, 06:24 AM
You could try making a looser bun. Updos will hurt if your hair is dirty. It could be that your hairtoy is pulling a few hairs.

Your scalp will toughen up and get used to having updos. Scalp massages hel toughen up the scalp and increase blood flow to your follicles.

HelloKitteh
February 15th, 2012, 11:54 AM
Totally normal, have had it forever (and cats too, try stroking them backwards see if they like it!). I have never noticed anything bad like hair loss (unless you try the Croydon Facelift everyday

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zrHPlwTiPFg/TPLPjTfkC3I/AAAAAAAALj4/RT29VSimLjs/s400/Little%2BBritain%2BVicky%2BPollard.jpg

My tricks and explanations:
-When your hair dries, it gets used to its orientation/direction. So you should keep the same hair do between shampoos - i.e. don't let your hair down if it's been up. It's also very good to dry your hair in the same kind of updo as it will have later when dry, so the hair below the bun doesn't make annoying buldges because it remembers the previous, down, direction.
- If you really want to put your hair in a different direction, either shampoo, or spritz some water directly on the roots if that doesn't make your hair greasy. Either solution helps reset your hair direction memory without pain!

Vasilissa
February 17th, 2012, 09:41 AM
Happens with me sometimes when I make some high and tight updo and wear it for almost half a day. Or when I oil my hair for the night and roll it in a high bun at the top of my head, so that I could cover it all up and sleep.

Maybe the updo you did was very tight or too high?

herdaughter77
February 17th, 2012, 05:58 PM
I have the same problem when I wear my hair differently. I used to get it when I changed the position of my part. :P I think it's quite normal.

Hollyfire3
February 17th, 2012, 06:58 PM
This happens to me too! I put my hair up in high buns on days when the waves are looking awkward, and my scalp always feels odd after. It's not necessarily pain, but when I try to smooth the hair back down it feels like a bizarre sensation and it doesn't want to go back down, haha. Weird to explain. I wonder if it's because my hair is so heavy? It's very thick and very long...


I understand this, i get headaches if i leave a simple looped ponytail with a soft scruncie in for too long because my hair is heavy and thick, i am prone to headaches (from stress and weather/pressure changes) so i tend to wear my hair down unless i am having an absolutly terible hair day (which has been often, sadly but i'm working on it)

Tressie
February 17th, 2012, 07:30 PM
I have this sometimes. Other times my scalp is tender to the touch and I often get tangles close to the scalp from my high updos. Probably from pushing a stick through or placing and rearranging my ficcares (I wear two). A scritch with my tangle teaser feels really good after taking my hair down! I like high updos, however, because they are easier to sleep on, stay away from my collar, and I think they are more becoming to me. (o:

Dorothy
February 17th, 2012, 09:44 PM
I have always had it, and I call it "Bun pain". I wear my hair down the first day after a wash, so I can enjoy it, and then up the next day, so it doesn't look greasy, and perhaps this is why my hair never trains. I do find it helpful to vary the position of the bun, because if it's a weekend and I'm busy, I leave it up for several days, and if the bun is in the same place, bun pain increases every day. If I start high and then lower day by day, bun pain is less. When it becomes very painful and tender - I have straight slick hair so I have to make tight buns to keep it from sliding out - I put aloe vera gel on my scalp right under the worst bun pain place -generally under the bun that was - and leave my hair down overnight, then wash. This cools things off.

pink.sara
February 18th, 2012, 07:48 AM
I've always had this sadly. Now I'm past APL it's getting really heavy again :(
It's one of the main reasons I redo my hair do at least 4 times a day! Mostly more. I find as long as I take a pony or bun down and remake it in a different spot every hour or so it doesn't get too sore.

I used to have nightmares about the whole traction alopecia like a Japanese geisha though!

Madora
February 18th, 2012, 11:07 AM
I have always had it, and I call it "Bun pain". I wear my hair down the first day after a wash, so I can enjoy it, and then up the next day, so it doesn't look greasy, and perhaps this is why my hair never trains. I do find it helpful to vary the position of the bun, because if it's a weekend and I'm busy, I leave it up for several days, and if the bun is in the same place, bun pain increases every day. If I start high and then lower day by day, bun pain is less. When it becomes very painful and tender - I have straight slick hair so I have to make tight buns to keep it from sliding out - I put aloe vera gel on my scalp right under the worst bun pain place -generally under the bun that was - and leave my hair down overnight, then wash. This cools things off.


For the sake of your follicles, try not to bun too tightly! There's too much pressure being put on your strands and I think the pain you're experiencing might be because the strands are being pulled too tightly.

What implements do you use to pin your buns? Have you tried crimped hairpins?

It's how you insert and weave the hairpins into the bun that helps anchor it securely.

heidi w.
February 18th, 2012, 12:07 PM
Madora and I generally follow the George Michael hair care system. Madora moreso than myself, but we each came to understanding the principles in different ways. She's more familiar with the rules and I came to it more by accident, and trial and error, and discovering that his ideas generally work.

I do not draw my hair in front of me to put hair in an updo, no matter where I place the updo on my head, whether back, or low back of the head or on top of the head. I rather doubt Madora does likewise although she does draw the hair over the head and comb it for various benefits.

I can't speak entirely for Madora's how-to. She also has somewhat different hair type than I have although we're both fairly long haired now.

But I would offer that drawing the hair over the head and then placing in an updo to position the day's updo more on top of the head is in and of itself some of the cause of your discomfort. I tried this idea for a while, and it was most uncomfortable that I just stopped doing it. I also have somewhat heavy hair, and at first used bobby pins, then long bobby pins for holding my hair in an updo, and now I have a fairly reliable updo that I default to most days and hold it with a hair stick.

Drawing the hair forward to comb/detangle it is fine however.

heidi w.

heidi w.
February 18th, 2012, 12:12 PM
Maybe it's appropriate to mention that all heads of hair have a growth pattern. Right or left of one's natural part, which is typically down the center of the head, the hair grows to lie to the left or right, and at the back to fall down the back. It's readily visible to see the hair growth pattern and direction in a baby's head of hair.

When we re-direct the hair, whether that's changing the hair part or changing the direction all the hair is swept in, we can experience a bit of discomfort from re-directing the hair in a direction other than its natural growth pattern.

That's just normal.

heidi w.

Madora
February 18th, 2012, 12:26 PM
Madora and I generally follow the George Michael hair care system. Madora moreso than myself, but we each came to understanding the principles in different ways. She's more familiar with the rules and I came to it more by accident, and trial and error, and discovering that his ideas generally work.

I do not draw my hair in front of me to put hair in an updo, no matter where I place the updo on my head, whether back, or low back of the head or on top of the head. I rather doubt Madora does likewise although she does draw the hair over the head and comb it for various benefits.

I can't speak entirely for Madora's how-to. She also has somewhat different hair type than I have although we're both fairly long haired now.

But I would offer that drawing the hair over the head and then placing in an updo to position the day's updo more on top of the head is in and of itself some of the cause of your discomfort. I tried this idea for a while, and it was most uncomfortable that I just stopped doing it. I also have somewhat heavy hair, and at first used bobby pins, then long bobby pins for holding my hair in an updo, and now I have a fairly reliable updo that I default to most days and hold it with a hair stick.

Drawing the hair forward to comb/detangle it is fine however.

heidi w.

Heidi, I actually do bring my hair forward when styling in my usual crown lace braid. Or my nighttime braid bun. It is much easier to manipulate the hair that way since I'm getting a bit creaky in the shoulders and have not been using my arms that much to style in the usual manner.

But I have noticed that my follicles now complain slightly when I let my hair hang down my back for measuring purposes. The difference in feeling doesn't last long, but it's definitely there, and of course that is purely due to the fact that I rarely style my hair by combing it back then sectioning it in updos as I did when I was younger.

Gumball
February 18th, 2012, 04:36 PM
Something to consider is that we have very small muscles attached to each hair follicle, the arrector pili. They're more easy to understand in that they can help hair on your arms or elsewhere raise when it's cold. My take on updo pain when you take your hair down, and similar occurrences, is that you encounter something similar on many of those muscles like you would when you have held a phone to your ear for a prolonged period of time, then straighten your arm.

When your hair gets used to being in a certain position, sometimes those muscles do as well, and when after a time the hair is moved, the soreness may be those muscles adjusting to the new position.