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ladystar
May 2nd, 2008, 06:58 PM
I got the Henna at an Indian store I love my hair color it is real shinny and black. Thanks to Aisha's help:cheese:. http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/ladystar21/beforeandafter2.jpg

squiggyflop
May 2nd, 2008, 08:02 PM
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BLACK HENNA.. sorry about the all caps but its so dangerous.. most of the "black henna" is full of dangerous chemicals like PPD.. they dont have to write all the ingrediants in other countrys.. oh wow you probably just dumped a load of dangerous stuff in your hair.. go to hennaforhair.com and read up on ppd... girl you have to be careful! i suppose you cant really be blamed if you didnt research henna as fully as i have (i have no life so i have loads of time to research stuff) henna only comes in RED... RED RED RED.. anything that says its henna but in a color other than red is not henna or has other stuff in it.... my dad just informed me as he was reading over my shoulder that it sounded like i was yelling at you.. please understand that im just concerned for your health and well being im not yelling at you but strongly cautioning you

Blueglass
May 2nd, 2008, 09:26 PM
hopefully it was a henna indigo mix or plain indigo. Was the paste green? Did it stain your towel blue? Did it smell grassy?

Kiraela
May 2nd, 2008, 09:47 PM
First off, your hair looks lovely! That color does look great on you.

I'd also like to second Squiggy's warning to you, though. Black dyes in general are less-than-safe, and dyes that claim to be one thing, while clearly being another are ones to watch closely. If you broke out in ANY sort of skin irritation after using it, please, please never do so again!

I do hope, though, for your sake, that it was henna+indigo only, so that you can continue to use it and get such a nice color (if that's what you want, of course :P)

Catladyintown
May 2nd, 2008, 10:26 PM
Ladystar your hair does look gorgeous.:) I use Star West Henna a while ago. And my hair always looked good. But now I have give up on the Henna, I am to lazy to use it. They also have Black Henna. Here is the link. There are safe Black Henna out there.
http://www.starwest-botanicals.com/product/black-henna-powder.html

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Botanical Name: Indigofera tinctoria
Origin: Pakistan


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Description:1 lb. of Black Henna Powder

Common Names: Indigo, Pigmentum Indicum

Common Uses: Hair Dye

Warning: For external use only.

Also I have used Black Henna from Herpspicetea.com before. The ingredients was henna and indigo.
http://www.herbspicetea.com/scripts/silverware.exe/moreinfo@d:/elevclients/sfherbtea/elevator.prg?ITEM=BK880

Here is what Pigmentum Indicum is.
Indigo
Botanical: Indigofera tinctoria
Family: N.O. Leguminosae
---Synonyms---Pigmentum Indicum
---Part Used---The plant.
---Habitat---India; cultivated in sub-tropical countries.


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---Description---A blue dyestuff is obtained from the various species of Indigofera. It does not exist ready formed, but is produced during fermentation from another agent existing in the plant. This is called Indocan, and is yellow, amorphous, of a nauseous bitter taste with an acid reaction; readily soluble in water, alcohol and ether.
---Medicinal Action and Uses---Indigo was at one time much used in medicine, but now is rarely employed. It is said to produce nausea and vomiting.

It is a very well-known and highly important dye, millions of pounds being exported from India annually.

An artificial product, Indigotine, is manufactured chemically and used as a substitute.
http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/i/indigo05.html


http://www.indigopage.com/herbal/indigofera.htm
What is Indigofera tinctora?

Common Names: Indigo, Indian indigo, True indigo.


Geographical Distribution: East Asia - China, widely cultivated and naturalised throughout the tropics, the exact native range of this species has been obscured.
Habitat: Indigofera tinctoria prefers sandy loamy soils it requires a moist well-drained soil and will not thrive in clay. The plant will grow in an acid environment, but will do better in neutral and basic (alkaline) soils, Indigofera tinctoria has been known to tolerate very alkaline conditions. This plant requires plenty of light it cannot grow in the shade.
Description: A deciduous shrub growing 1m - 2m high, flowering during July-September pollinated by Insects. Indigofera tinctoria is a frost tender plant of the tropics. A member of the legume family, Fabaceae, the third largest family of flowering plants, Indigofera tinctoria can biologically fix nitrogen, annually enriching the soil

mellie
May 3rd, 2008, 05:59 AM
So it sounds like it is just indigo? It produced a beautiful color!

squiggyflop
May 3rd, 2008, 11:06 AM
So it sounds like it is just indigo? It produced a beautiful color!
i looked up the brand that she used.. they dont even mention indigo in the ingrediants.... which makes me wonder whats in it that makes it black..

ladystar
May 3rd, 2008, 11:30 AM
Thanks Catladyintown


What I used was safe. I love what it did to my hair. =) I am very happy with it.

blackfrostqueen
May 3rd, 2008, 11:31 AM
Beautiful results!!

ladystar
May 3rd, 2008, 11:35 AM
So it sounds like it is just indigo? It produced a beautiful color!



Thank you.. :cheese:

ladystar
May 3rd, 2008, 12:26 PM
Beautiful results!!


Thank you. :p

Velouria
May 3rd, 2008, 02:12 PM
[quote=squiggyflop;93590]i looked up the brand that she used.. they dont even mention indigo in the ingrediants.... which makes me wonder whats in it that makes it black..[/quote

I was about to post asking ladystar what brand of "black henna" she used but then I saw the above. Not to nitpick, squiggyflop, but where in this thread do you see that she wrote what brand she used? Cuz I can't find it.

Anyway, if it's a green powder that produced a greenish blue liquid upon being mixed with water it is indigo, or at least mainly indigo, without PPD. If, on the other hand, it produced a dark brown to black fluid (around the edges of the powder when water was stirred in) it does contain harmful PPD, and you should look for another brand without PPD, like Zarqa black henna (commonly available in Indian groceries)

Loviatar
May 3rd, 2008, 04:20 PM
Also wondering which brand you used, Ladystar. You got a much better and much more even black colour than I did! It looks fantastic and so shiny. Great results!

(BTW I used henna and indigo in a two step mix and my powders came from hennaforhair.com.)

Edit: I looked at your henna album, and I see you used Godrej. Just to set people's worries at rest, I found that Godrej seems to be OK:

Hair dye companies that proclaim to sell black henna, mix a coal-tar derivative paraphenylenediamina or PPD with henna and palm it off as “black kali mehendi,” which apart from giving colour to the product, do no good to the consumer, claimed a study report by Consumer Education and Research Society.

An official statement by the organisation on Monday informed that CERS tested 14 brands of permanent hair dyes in three forms - powder, liquid and emulsion - for pH content, total active matter and dye ready for use.

The tested dyes include Indica, Everest Kali Mehendi, Super Vasmol Aamla, Junglee Kali Mehendi, Black Rose Kali Mehendi, Bigen, Godrej Kali Mehendi and Godrej Permanent Powder Hair Dye. Five liquid hair dyes New Godrej, Garnier Nutrisse, Godrej Colour Soft, L’Oreal Excellence and Revlon Colorsilk were put through the scanner. Emulsion-type permanent hair dye Super Vasmol 33 was also tested for its performance, the release informed.

It further stated that companies that proclaim to sell “black henna powder” or “kali mehendi” do not provide consumers with a henna-based product. The natural colour of henna is deep orange or burgundy and the phenomenon of “black henna” must be attributed to the PPD and is harmful to the user. As the PPD is cheap, unscrupulous manufacturers buy very cheap black hair dye, mix it with henna and palm it off as “black henna” or “kali mehendi” or “Junglee Kali Mehendi”, the organisation alleged.

Black Rose Kali Mehendi and Godrej Colour Soft were two of the permanent hair dyes that confirmed to all specifications as per the Indian Standards during performance tests carried out by the CERS.

Although IS certification is voluntary, hair dyes have to confirm to the specifications laid down by the Bureau of Indian Standards, informed the official release. Three brands failed to conform to the paraphenylenediamina or PPD - a controversial chemical element that is the main colouring agent in hair dyes - content specification.

Bigen, Garnier Nutrisse and L’Oreal Excellence failed to confirm to the PPD specifications.

As against the four per cent permissible presence of PPD in oxidation liquid type of hair dye in undiluted stated and not less then 1.25 per cent after dilution, Bigen contained 1.16 per cent presence of PPD, Garnier Nutrisse was found to have 1.72 per cent of the chemical and L’Oreal Excellence had 1.65 per cent of the agent, which is a coal-tar derivative.

The test further revealed that except for Black Rose Kali Mehendi in powder form and Godrej Colour Soft in oxidation form, none of the brands conformed to packaging and labelling as per the IS requirements."

(from http://www.ahmedabad.com/index/viewarticle/article/14528/section/14 )

I hope that helps.

squiggyflop
May 3rd, 2008, 04:32 PM
i saw her henna brand in her henna album;)
she used Godrej
they dont list indigo as being an ingrediant.. so what is making it black.. the packets of dye in her album look tiny.. ladystar did you have to use all 5 packets to get your whole head coated? ppd or no ppd the color is pretty..

squiggyflop
May 3rd, 2008, 04:42 PM
Also wondering which brand you used, Ladystar. You got a much better and much more even black colour than I did! It looks fantastic and so shiny. Great results!

(BTW I used henna and indigo in a two step mix and my powders came from hennaforhair.com.)

Edit: I looked at your henna album, and I see you used Godrej. Just to set people's worries at rest, I found that Godrej seems to be OK:

Hair dye companies that proclaim to sell black henna, mix a coal-tar derivative paraphenylenediamina or PPD with henna and palm it off as “black kali mehendi,” which apart from giving colour to the product, do no good to the consumer, claimed a study report by Consumer Education and Research Society.

An official statement by the organisation on Monday informed that CERS tested 14 brands of permanent hair dyes in three forms - powder, liquid and emulsion - for pH content, total active matter and dye ready for use.

The tested dyes include Indica, Everest Kali Mehendi, Super Vasmol Aamla, Junglee Kali Mehendi, Black Rose Kali Mehendi, Bigen, Godrej Kali Mehendi and Godrej Permanent Powder Hair Dye. Five liquid hair dyes New Godrej, Garnier Nutrisse, Godrej Colour Soft, L’Oreal Excellence and Revlon Colorsilk were put through the scanner. Emulsion-type permanent hair dye Super Vasmol 33 was also tested for its performance, the release informed.

It further stated that companies that proclaim to sell “black henna powder” or “kali mehendi” do not provide consumers with a henna-based product. The natural colour of henna is deep orange or burgundy and the phenomenon of “black henna” must be attributed to the PPD and is harmful to the user. As the PPD is cheap, unscrupulous manufacturers buy very cheap black hair dye, mix it with henna and palm it off as “black henna” or “kali mehendi” or “Junglee Kali Mehendi”, the organisation alleged.

Black Rose Kali Mehendi and Godrej Colour Soft were two of the permanent hair dyes that confirmed to all specifications as per the Indian Standards during performance tests carried out by the CERS.

Although IS certification is voluntary, hair dyes have to confirm to the specifications laid down by the Bureau of Indian Standards, informed the official release. Three brands failed to conform to the paraphenylenediamina or PPD - a controversial chemical element that is the main colouring agent in hair dyes - content specification.

Bigen, Garnier Nutrisse and L’Oreal Excellence failed to confirm to the PPD specifications.

As against the four per cent permissible presence of PPD in oxidation liquid type of hair dye in undiluted stated and not less then 1.25 per cent after dilution, Bigen contained 1.16 per cent presence of PPD, Garnier Nutrisse was found to have 1.72 per cent of the chemical and L’Oreal Excellence had 1.65 per cent of the agent, which is a coal-tar derivative.

The test further revealed that except for Black Rose Kali Mehendi in powder form and Godrej Colour Soft in oxidation form, none of the brands conformed to packaging and labelling as per the IS requirements."

(from http://www.ahmedabad.com/index/viewarticle/article/14528/section/14 )

I hope that helps.
can i just say that im very confused.. did godrej black henna powder have ppd or not because they dont list indigo.. the whole post confused me greatly.. im not very good at reading so i may have just been having more trouble reading it than usual..

Riot Crrl
May 3rd, 2008, 04:46 PM
Black Rose Kali Mehendi and Godrej Colour Soft were two of the permanent hair dyes that confirmed to all specifications as per the Indian Standards during performance tests carried out by the CERS.

Colour Soft appears to me like a standard drugstore box that I would expect to contain PPD anyway (http://godrejindia.com/pns_products_details.asp?prid=5&catg3=3). It's ammonia free, though.

The test further revealed that except for Black Rose Kali Mehendi in powder form and Godrej Colour Soft in oxidation form, none of the brands conformed to packaging and labelling as per the IS requirements."

So, the other three Godrej products tested did not conform?

I don't know what the Indian standards are. They seem to be testing in this article for above a certain amount of PPD, not for any at all.

squiggyflop
May 3rd, 2008, 04:56 PM
Colour Soft appears to me like a standard drugstore box that I would expect to contain PPD anyway (http://godrejindia.com/pns_products_details.asp?prid=5&catg3=3). It's ammonia free, though.



So, the other three Godrej products tested did not conform?

I don't know what the Indian standards are. They seem to be testing in this article for above a certain amount of PPD, not for any at all.
oooh so the other godrej products had more ppd than what is ok in india to put in it.. that is seriously scary.. she didnt use color soft she used the one of the godrej that didnt conform to the amount of PPD thats allowed.. so it had more ppd than whats usually allowed then.. hmmm.. well im glad that ladystar didnt have an allergic reaction.. i think that if she switches to buying regular henna and indigo from now on she will be just fine.. however it would not be wise to continue using this product..

ladystar
May 3rd, 2008, 08:11 PM
Well I did try to use regular henna and my hair turned Orange Like this.


http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/ladystar21/HR.jpg




So I had to find something else to make my hair dark. I could night find indigo in my area. So I just went for this and did a test strand it made a beautiful color and I went for it.

squiggyflop
May 3rd, 2008, 08:32 PM
Well I did try to use regular henna and my hair turned Orange Like this.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/ladystar21/HR.jpg

So I had to find something else to make my hair dark. I could night find indigo in my area. So I just went for this and did a test strand it made a beautiful color and I went for it.
well i can see your point about not being able to find indigo locally but the stuff you were using is dangerous.. is there a reason you dont want to buy online? you can fill up a paypal account with a certain amount of money and only use that money.. that way you dont run up your credit card bill.. all you need is a bank account.. im not sure but it sounds like what you were using was as dangerous/more dangerous than most of the regular black dyes that ive seen in my supermarket..

ladystar
May 3rd, 2008, 08:48 PM
well i can see your point about not being able to find indigo locally but the stuff you were using is dangerous.. is there a reason you dont want to buy online? you can fill up a paypal account with a certain amount of money and only use that money.. that way you dont run up your credit card bill.. all you need is a bank account.. im not sure but it sounds like what you were using was as dangerous/more dangerous than most of the regular black dyes that ive seen in my supermarket..



I didn't want to pay shipping cost I wanted something fast and didn't want to use regular hair dye so I went for it. I did do a test strand my hair didn't fall out and didn't have an allergic reaction. So I don't find it all that dangerous now that I have my hair back to my natural hair color I can use regular henna whenever. I will not use this again unless My hair changes color or I can find Indigo. Not that this product was bad. It was just hard to deal with opening like 5 boxes of small packs:rolleyes:.

mellie
May 4th, 2008, 07:24 AM
Sorry, I am confused too - are we thinking that it probably contains PPD?

It could be they use walnut for the black. I saw a Persian dye at a Turkish store the other day that amongst the non-English ingredient list, I saw "juglans" which I believe is walnut.

squiggyflop
May 4th, 2008, 10:10 AM
Sorry, I am confused too - are we thinking that it probably contains PPD?

It could be they use walnut for the black. I saw a Persian dye at a Turkish store the other day that amongst the non-English ingredient list, I saw "juglans" which I believe is walnut.
it had more ppd than what india usually allows in products.. so yeah it had ppd.. alot of it

akurah
May 4th, 2008, 11:02 AM
Sorry, I am confused too - are we thinking that it probably contains PPD?

It could be they use walnut for the black. I saw a Persian dye at a Turkish store the other day that amongst the non-English ingredient list, I saw "juglans" which I believe is walnut.

Walnut isn't necessarily better than PPD, it can be toxic as well if you're allergic. I don't think it's a sensitizer, though, so if you've used it once it won't necessarily increase your risk of allergic reaction next time you use it (unlike PPD).

Loviatar
May 4th, 2008, 11:18 AM
Sorry, Squiggyflop - the article I posted states that the Godrej DOES conform to Indian standards - you state in your comment that "it had more than what India allows", which is not what is says in the article. Nowhere does it say that the Godrej henna has 'lots of' PPD as you say, or indeed, contains it.

I would just say: let Ladystar enjoy her hair colour; the Godrej seems to have worked for her, it looks amazing and she had no allergic reactions. If next time she wishes to use indigo and henna from another supplier, so be it. If she chooses to stick to Godrej, so be it.

Ladystar, do let us know what you decide to do when your roots begin to come through.

HTH
Lovi

Loviatar
May 4th, 2008, 11:22 AM
RiotCrrl,

Just to clear up where you say 'so the other Godrej products did not conform?' (I'm sorry, I am having trouble quoting posts)

There were only 3 brands which did not conform to PPD specifications:

"Bigen, Garnier Nutrisse and L’Oreal Excellence failed to confirm to the PPD specifications."

Only Godrej Color Soft and Black Kali conformed to the packaging and labelling specifications:

"except for Black Rose Kali Mehendi in powder form and Godrej Colour Soft in oxidation form, none of the brands conformed to packaging and labelling as per the IS requirements"

Nowhere does it state that Godrej contains unreasonable amounts of PPD.

Thanks
Lovi

Aisha25
May 4th, 2008, 11:48 AM
Sorry, Squiggyflop - the article I posted states that the Godrej DOES conform to Indian standards - you state in your comment that "it had more than what India allows", which is not what is says in the article. Nowhere does it say that the Godrej henna has 'lots of' PPD as you say, or indeed, contains it.

I would just say: let Ladystar enjoy her hair colour; the Godrej seems to have worked for her, it looks amazing and she had no allergic reactions. If next time she wishes to use indigo and henna from another supplier, so be it. If she chooses to stick to Godrej, so be it.

Ladystar, do let us know what you decide to do when your roots begin to come through.

HTH
Lovi

I agree with loviatar why is everyone so against this like its bleaching stripping and totally damgaging hair.Let ladystar enjoy this beautiful hair nothing happened and its great looking too.Is this how we should be treated when using not 100% pure products?And no one is exactly an expert on this so please be kind to any disision we choose.

mellie
May 4th, 2008, 01:52 PM
Yes, I agree, it sounds like this probably did not contain PPD anyway, and is just fine.

squiggyflop
May 4th, 2008, 03:18 PM
Sorry, Squiggyflop - the article I posted states that the Godrej DOES conform to Indian standards - you state in your comment that "it had more than what India allows", which is not what is says in the article. Nowhere does it say that the Godrej henna has 'lots of' PPD as you say, or indeed, contains it.

I would just say: let Ladystar enjoy her hair colour; the Godrej seems to have worked for her, it looks amazing and she had no allergic reactions. If next time she wishes to use indigo and henna from another supplier, so be it. If she chooses to stick to Godrej, so be it.

HTH
Lovi
i guess that me and RiotCrrl must have both misread because i read in the artical that your article said that only one of the godrej products confomed.. she didnt use the one that conformed.. she used annother godrej product.. if only one of them conformed than it must mean that the other godrej products did not conform and that they had more ppd than what is usually allowed.. if she is not allergic more power to her..

also i must say that the black looks totally stunning.. if you want to stick to godrej go ahead.. as long as you dont have a reaction it should be ok..
ps: i read somewhere that ppd was related to coal tar.. if it is (and i didnt misread) i can tell you that my dad washes his hair every day with a coal tar shampoo and he is totally fine.. celebrate your beautiful black hair and its supernatural shine!:D

oh and im sorry if ive sounded thickheaded in this thread. i apologise.. i just hate it when companies try to say that something is henna when it isnt..

on annother note.. why is walnut dangerous? my dad eats walnuts all the time.. im confused..

oh and as far as non natural products go i really dont mind non natural dyes.(as long as they dont claim to be henna). though i wish i could be the one slathering them on your head (i love the smell of most comercial hairdyes:D) ive dyed my friends hair many times and used many different brands but 100% color (http://www.garnier.com/100color/) in blue black was the most awsome color ive ever seen come out of a bottle.. it looked black indoors and sparkled blue outdoors.. oh and i used it on a girl with very long hair and there was no visable breakage from it.. im sorry to go on about this in the henna and herbal haircare section but ive been waiting almost a year to tell someone.. so really there is no shame in chemical color for the people who use it.. however shame on certain haircolor companies that mislead people:demon: they shouldnt be allowed to do that..

oh and ladystar ive been thinking..if you use godrej again.. if you mix a tiny bit of conefree conditioner or a little yogurt (plain) and use a squirt bottle with the top cut off it should be alot easier to apply it..

ps i hope your hair stays that shiny.. it looks so cool like a river of black

Loviatar
May 4th, 2008, 05:43 PM
I'm sorry you did not understand my wording Squiggyflop. :flower: The other Godrej products were stated as not conforming to packaging and labelling standards NOT to the standards of PPD levels. I did reinforce this in my second comment above but perhaps I did not make myself clear enough.

Basically:
Godrej Color Soft conformed to PPD levels. No Godrej product was mentioned as non-conformist in this section.
Only Black Kali Mehandi and Godrej Color Soft conformed to the packaging and labelling specifications.

As to walnut being 'dangerous' I think perhaps you have taken Akurah's words as an overreaction, walnut is a natural plant dye and as with all other plants/natural dyes there may be someone out there who is allergic. Even henna and indigo can cause allergic reactions, although they are completely natural. The effects of a walnut allergy are particularly nasty, can be similar to peanut allergy (anaphylaxis) and therefore as with chemical dyes all natural dyes should also be strand and skin tested.

Personally I tested henna (BAQ) and indigo powder on my skin before I used them, I also skintested my old chemical dye (Garnier 100% Color) when I was dyeing my hair black. I did not appear allergic to any of them in the patch tests but my scalp reacted extremely itchily whenever I used the indigo powder. I believe that Celebrian, among others, has also complained of indigo being itchy. Natural dyes should be treated with as much caution as chemical ones in case of allergic reaction.

I hope that helps a little.

Lovi

wintersun99
May 4th, 2008, 08:01 PM
I agree with loviatar why is everyone so against this like its bleaching stripping and totally damgaging hair.Let ladystar enjoy this beautiful hair nothing happened and its great looking too.Is this how we should be treated when using not 100% pure products?And no one is exactly an expert on this so please be kind to any disision we choose.

I think a lot of people are concerned that something purporting to be "Black Henna" may in fact, contain PPD hair dye and may not be henna or indigo. In this case, maybe it is some combo of henna, indigo, and other herbs (don't know, haven't researched it) BUT the shear fact that the brand claims to be "Black Henna" is perpetuating misleading and possibly dangerous information (or misinformation) about what "Henna" is.

Aisha25
May 4th, 2008, 08:10 PM
Yeah wintersun99 ladystar new there was possiblity as i told her it might have some dye in it.But this thread got really into a thing ladystar already knew about.So I made that comment because we dont have to act like its some big tragic hair mistake,she did a strand test she wasn't asking for any caution from this thread and I just wanted everyone to be kind to her or anyones desision for whatever they choose to use.
Thank you:) and yeah I understand everyones concern,it is nice to see so many people concerned.

wintersun99
May 4th, 2008, 08:21 PM
Oh for sure - my complaint is with the marketing - not with anyone's decision to do what they want with their hair! I support anyone's decision to do what they want with their hair, when they want, and I am super glad that Ladystar loves her knew color! It really turned out nice ... :)

Aisha25
May 4th, 2008, 08:30 PM
Oh for sure - my complaint is with the marketing - not with anyone's decision to do what they want with their hair! I support anyone's decision to do what they want with their hair, when they want, and I am super glad that Ladystar loves her knew color! It really turned out nice ... :)
Oh I am sorry wintersun99 I wasnt talking about you just responding why I had made that comment from before;).
And yeah me too I told her her hair is very beautiful,but I am biased as I love black hair hehe.And yeah I am pretty aware on shopping with caution espessially with oils from Dabur as they use alot of mineral oil in there stuff and almost never put it on there labels I hate it.Most of the times they just put the good stuff in big bold print like shampoos do here in actuallity its the like the last and least ingredients.That's why I told ladystar to do strand test first just incase,as with anything even pure henna:).

akurah
May 4th, 2008, 08:35 PM
As to walnut being 'dangerous' I think perhaps you have taken Akurah's words as an overreaction, walnut is a natural plant dye and as with all other plants/natural dyes there may be someone out there who is allergic. Even henna and indigo can cause allergic reactions, although they are completely natural. The effects of a walnut allergy are particularly nasty, can be similar to peanut allergy (anaphylaxis) and therefore as with chemical dyes all natural dyes should also be strand and skin tested.


I'm not the one overreacting in this thread, for what it's worth.

Nut allergies are fairly common, hence my statement. And reactions to PPD are ALLERGY reactions, so it's relevant.

I also remember reading somewhere that it can be toxic to inhale the powder, but I couldn't find it, so I didn't mention it, since I may have either imagined it or confused it with another memory.

Riot Crrl
May 4th, 2008, 09:06 PM
Just to clarify my earlier reply, it is not my intent to pass judgement on anyone for using any dye. I happily used Feria for many years, myself, and liked it. Chock full o' PPD ammonia AND peroxide. The main reason that I stopped was simply that it stopped working.

I am however interested in dying products representing themselves honestly, and I merely point out that I'm not convinced this one is.

ladystar
May 5th, 2008, 07:36 AM
lol WOW I didn’t expect this from the thread :shrug:. I just wanted to show my hair off hee hee :p. But thanks everyone for your concerns and help. I always do strand test before I put anything in my hair:pray:.

My hair looks healthier than ever whatever it might be that came in this product :happydance:

Dark Rosaleen
May 5th, 2008, 01:17 PM
ladystar, your hair looks beautiful. It makes me wish I could pull off black hair.

Nightshade
May 5th, 2008, 01:37 PM
l But thanks everyone for your concerns and help. I always do strand test before I put anything in my hair:pray:.

The concerns with PPD (http://www.hennaforhair.com/ppd/index.html)are mostly that they can trigger a reaction if you use it at a later date, and the concerns about metallic salts and the like are if you go on and later use a chemical color/treatment that may react it can melt your hair.

So while you hair does look beautiful, people are bringing up some very valid concerns about what can be found in things called "black henna."

There's some great info on it both in the henna article and here (http://www.hennaforhair.com/science/whatsinit.html).

How can you find out if the henna hair dye you've been using has toxic metallic salts?

Harvest some of your hair.
Mix one ounce (30 ml) of 20-volume peroxide and 20 drops of 28% ammonia.
Put your harvested hair in the peroxide-ammonia mix (this is in synthetic hair dye).
If there's lead in the henna you've used, your hair will change color immediately.
If there's silver nitrate in the henna you've been using, there will be no change in hair color, because silver is coating the hair. However, silver nitrate leaves a greenish cast to your hair, so you can tell by that.
If there's copper in the henna you've used, your hair will start to boil, the hair will be hot and smell horrible, and the hair will disintegrate.

ladystar
May 5th, 2008, 02:02 PM
The concerns with PPD (http://www.hennaforhair.com/ppd/index.html)are mostly that they can trigger a reaction if you use it at a later date, and the concerns about metallic salts and the like are if you go on and later use a chemical color/treatment that may react it can melt your hair.

So while you hair does look beautiful, people are bringing up some very valid concerns about what can be found in things called "black henna."

There's some great info on it both in the henna article and here (http://www.hennaforhair.com/science/whatsinit.html).


Holy Molly that's scary Thanks for the advice.

I don't plan to use any real hair dye anytime soon. Hopefully I can get to virgin again. That's why I went black in the first place to get my hair back to natural hair color.:shrug:

Aisha25
May 5th, 2008, 02:22 PM
Holy Molly that's scary Thanks for the advice.

I don't plan to use any real hair dye anytime soon. Hopefully I can get to virgin again. That's why I went black in the first place to get my hair back to natural hair color.:shrug:
Yeah good to start off with a close to real color,then let it go to its natural form naturally;)then leave it alone.This will let your hair be its naturally beautiful self:D!

ladystar
May 5th, 2008, 06:45 PM
Yeah good to start off with a close to real color,then let it go to its natural form naturally;)then leave it alone.This will let your hair be its naturally beautiful self:D!



Thank you Aisha. Your the Best!!!

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