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birraj
June 3rd, 2009, 08:07 PM
Hi,
I bought the neeli oil and used less than 2 ml on my head and I had massive shedding. Already my hair was shedding and it got reduced because of switching to herbs and kalonji oil. I was about to crying .. Again after 4 days I used little bit less than 2ml on my head and shedding more than 80 hairs. I litrally counted them. Can somebody give me some suggetion. I really want to use Neeli oil. Anyone know how long the shedding will be there?

Thanks in advance.

Aisha25
June 3rd, 2009, 08:14 PM
hmm your not supposed to gain shedding with oils,maybe neeli oil is just not right for you? Or maybe your scalp got used to the old routine when you tried something new it made your scalp go crazy?:shrug:

I say stick to whatever gives you less shed :twocents:

gmdiaz
June 3rd, 2009, 08:32 PM
Maybe just stick with the Kalonji oil. . .that's been working for me.

But I also quit brushing and combing my hair. When I shampoo, I towel dry and then finger fluff. . .not even finger combing. I totally ignore the tangles. I let my hair dry naturally, air dry. Then there are no tangles. It's pretty amazing but works for me better than combing. I am losing a lot fewer hairs using this technique and the Kalonji and Brahmi Amla oils on my scalp.

Keep posting your progress. . .I just know it's going to get better for you soon!

mira-chan
June 3rd, 2009, 08:47 PM
Also which Neeli oils are you using? Some have not so great ingredients in them (I'd avoid the KPN one).

Good ones are Kama Ayurveda and KOTTAKAL (Kerala) brands. There may be others.

You might also have an allergic reaction to one of the ingredients. It's always best to test oils on your skin (inner elbow) at least 24 hours before using it on your scalp. If you have a reaction, this is not the oil for you.

birraj
June 3rd, 2009, 09:42 PM
Thanks Ladies you have very supportive to me.
The one I got it from India, mall of coimbature. It does have anjanaikal, I bought it and thought till I finish the oil I will use it, but it is going to be vain. I have done a test on my skin and it was good but the scalp it gives me problem.

I have to stop this because it gives massive amount of shed. I head Neeli oil will give shed in the beggining but not expected this much. Today I have ordered neeli oil from Trihealth will be expecting sometime next week will see weather that works for me.

I will update you guys.

hennaphile
June 3rd, 2009, 09:50 PM
:grouphug: I'm so sorry to hear this! I know your frustration as I've gone through massive sheds too. One thing I can say is that oil on your scalp isn't always a good thing, it can clog the follicles and make them fall out-- that happened to me when I put olive oil on my scalp. I would avoid oil on your scalp, period, at least until you stop shedding. And if you must comb or brush, don't do it when it's wet! I made that mistake.

Keep us posted, I hope your hair grows back better than before :flower:

mira-chan
June 3rd, 2009, 09:56 PM
:grouphug: I'm so sorry to hear this! I know your frustration as I've gone through massive sheds too. One thing I can say is that oil on your scalp isn't always a good thing, it can clog the follicles and make them fall out-- that happened to me when I put olive oil on my scalp. I would avoid oil on your scalp, period, at least until you stop shedding. And if you must comb or brush, don't do it when it's wet! I made that mistake.

Keep us posted, I hope your hair grows back better than before :flower:
Interestingly, I'm the opposite when it comes to scalp oil. I have dry sebum that will coat the scalp and clog the follicles if I don't use and oil to dissolve it a bit to it moves down the hair.

If you're having massive sheds from all oils then yes oil on scalp is not for you. If it's just one oil then another one may be better.

Diamondbell
June 3rd, 2009, 10:09 PM
Hi briraj -

as mira-chan says, if ALL oils don't suit you, don't use any of them. If any one particular oil is better than the rest, then go ahead and use that one only.

If you are using Neeli oil, try using it (2 or 3 drops) in pure sesame or coconut oil, depending on the oil base of the Neeli oil. This will make your scalp get accustomed to the Neeli oil. Later you can increase the amount of the Neeli oil, if all goes well. Otherwise try to use only the oil, which has better effects.

Also there may be increased shedding when switching to a new oil.

I hope it gets better soon! :)

ChloeDharma
June 4th, 2009, 05:54 AM
Briefly off topic, but Diamondbell i love your new avatar pic!

Anyway, i've had this massive shedding issue with the hesh bhringraj oil, not if i use it consistantly, but initially if i've had a break from it for a while then go back i shed handfulls, it's scary. The odd thing is that though it causes that initially, when i did use it consistantly over a period of months my hair grew much faster and my thickness increased by about 150%

I do agree with others though, if it keeps causing massive sheds then consider using a different oil

birraj
June 4th, 2009, 07:57 AM
Hi Ladies,
Thanks for you support. I did not have this much shedding with any other oils (I use homemade oil with herbs & kalonji oil) This one is giving me sheds a lot. Becuase of oil I never had shed before. I used to oil a lot from the beginning. It is sacry to see this much sheds. I am going to stop this and see my sheds have comeback down. Already I used only 2 times. As Chole drama said initially it will shed and start gworing more soon but I am afraid to take that risk as already I have very thin hair.

Diamondbell
June 4th, 2009, 10:28 AM
Briefly off topic, but Diamondbell i love your new avatar pic!

Anyway, i've had this massive shedding issue with the hesh bhringraj oil, not if i use it consistantly, but initially if i've had a break from it for a while then go back i shed handfulls, it's scary. The odd thing is that though it causes that initially, when i did use it consistantly over a period of months my hair grew much faster and my thickness increased by about 150%

I do agree with others though, if it keeps causing massive sheds then consider using a different oil


Thanks ChloeDharma for your comment on the new avatar picture :)

I think we should put the ingredients of each of these different Nilibringhadi brands - just to make sure that Anjanakal is not one of the ingredients!! :D

birraj
June 4th, 2009, 11:02 AM
Yes Diamondbell.
Here are the following ingredients of the one I got from Mall at coimbature.
Ingredients:
Neelibringadi: Coconut Milk, Milk,Coconut Oil, Castor oil, Eclipta Alba, Cardiospermm Halicacabum, Centella Asiatica, Bacopa Monnieri, Emblica Officinalis, Indigofera Tinctoria, Anjana Kallu, Glycyrhiza Glabra, Abrus Precatorius.

It does have anjanaikal.

The one I ordered it form Trihealth does not have anjanaikal.
Here are the Ingredients:
Coconut milk, Buffalo milk, Goat milk, Cow milk, Coconut oil, Indigo, False daisy, Ballon vine, Indian gooseberry, Licorice, Indian licorice, Black antimony.

This one does not have anjanikal.



Thanks ChloeDharma for your comment on the new avatar picture :)

I think we should put the ingredients of each of these different Nilibringhadi brands - just to make sure that Anjanakal is not one of the ingredients!! :D

Canarygirl
June 4th, 2009, 11:25 AM
Briefly off topic, but Diamondbell i love your new avatar pic!


Me too! :)


i've had this massive shedding issue with the hesh bhringraj oil, not if i use it consistantly, but initially if i've had a break from it for a while then go back i shed handfulls, it's scary.

Same experience here with Hesh bhringraj oil. Massive shed after using it. Tried it twice, same result. I have another brand of bhringraj oil, which has nothing but the bhringraj in a base of sesame oil, and I have no shedding with that one whatsoever. The Hesh brand has a ton of other ingredients, though. So I think it would be good for people to keep experimenting until they find a product that works for them and doesn't cause shedding. (I didn't have the nerve to keep using the Hesh so I don't know if the shedding would have stopped.)

mira-chan
June 4th, 2009, 11:48 AM
Yes Diamondbell.
Here are the following ingredients of the one I got from Mall at coimbature.
Ingredients:
Neelibringadi: Coconut Milk, Milk,Coconut Oil, Castor oil, Eclipta Alba, Cardiospermm Halicacabum, Centella Asiatica, Bacopa Monnieri, Emblica Officinalis, Indigofera Tinctoria, Anjana Kallu, Glycyrhiza Glabra, Abrus Precatorius.

It does have anjanaikal.

The one I ordered it form Trihealth does not have anjanaikal.
Here are the Ingredients:
Coconut milk, Buffalo milk, Goat milk, Cow milk, Coconut oil, Indigo, False daisy, Ballon vine, Indian gooseberry, Licorice, Indian licorice, Black antimony.

This one does not have anjanikal.
Black Antimony is anjanikal. Same thing.

missmandy
June 4th, 2009, 12:18 PM
The way I see it, it would make the most sense to stop using it and get a new kind that works better, or at least buy another brand.

missmandy
June 4th, 2009, 12:18 PM
A different kind of oil, I mean. :o

HotRag
June 4th, 2009, 01:59 PM
What do you mean with massive shed?
Is it during massageing in the oil? After? Every day during some time after?

I use to shed more hairs when oilmassageing, but if I wash hair after, I shed less hair when combing after the wash. Not more shedding per week than without oil massage, just different.

birraj
June 4th, 2009, 02:45 PM
Oh..I didnot know black antimony is anjanikal. Then it might not good either. So bad how come they use this in the oil. I hate it.


Black Antimony is anjanikal. Same thing.

hennaphile
June 4th, 2009, 03:35 PM
Oh eek, I forgot to add that oil on scalp issues have been my experience, but aren't always true for everyone. Thanks for reminding me! :flower:

EDIT: I forgot to add that I have a weird scalp. It has never once been oily, on the contrary it's usually itchy dry flaky, but it hates oil added. *shrug* Life is full of mysteries

mira-chan
June 4th, 2009, 03:59 PM
Oh eek, I forgot to add that oil on scalp issues have been my experience, but aren't always true for everyone. Thanks for reminding me! :flower:

EDIT: I forgot to add that I have a weird scalp. It has never once been oily, on the contrary it's usually itchy dry flaky, but it hates oil added. *shrug* Life is full of mysteries
You're welcome. :flowers:

Oh I completely understand. My hair doesn't get oily either. I just get dry vaguely flaky stuff that I can scrape off on my scalp. I'm thankful for my hair and skin's love for oil. It saves me from wanting to scalp myself sometimes.

birraj
June 4th, 2009, 05:21 PM
I tried oil during bedtime, morning I took a hair bath so much of hair came out. I also tried oiling on the bedtime with out washing in the morning I combed my hair and lost so much hair.

I should different oil then, afraid to try new oils as I am afraid now.

hennaphile
June 4th, 2009, 07:58 PM
If you do decide to continue with oils, you might try not doing it over night and seeing what happens. Like just an hour or so before you shower.

Diamondbell
June 4th, 2009, 10:01 PM
I tried oil during bedtime, morning I took a hair bath so much of hair came out. I also tried oiling on the bedtime with out washing in the morning I combed my hair and lost so much hair.

I should different oil then, afraid to try new oils as I am afraid now.

I am so sorry to hear this. I don't know why on earth they add this anjanakal to the oil.

If I were you I would go "no oil" for sometime, say for a week, just hair-washing/brushing/combing, and then start on some other pure oils like coconut oil or sesame oil only later on (a week later). That would be the best for now.

chotee
June 5th, 2009, 12:47 AM
I have been using Neelibringadi oil for a very long time now but i have experienced no shedding but i can be sure that some oils don't really suit us. For me, if i use Dabur amla oil, maybe the smell or something i get a very bad headache. My mother in law used it for ever and she never had headaches and she had such long hair. I have to check if mine has this black antimony in it. Mine is from Kotakkal and i love the smell too. Somehow its been my favorite oil so far apart from Monoi oil ofcourse.....I think it maybe best to either change your oil to just a simple coconut or just be without oil for a week like diamond bell says

birraj
June 5th, 2009, 07:12 AM
Thanks Ladies for your support.
Yep I will try without oiling for a week and introduce my homemade oil slowly. By the way the shedding has not been stopped yet. I stopped the oil 3 days ago.

I will keep you guys posted.Thanks for your support.

mira-chan
June 6th, 2009, 11:30 PM
Thanks ChloeDharma for your comment on the new avatar picture :)

I think we should put the ingredients of each of these different Nilibringhadi brands - just to make sure that Anjanakal is not one of the ingredients!! :D
Just to put it up on the list here.

Kama Ayurveda Intensive hair treatment (Neeli bringadi oil)
Sesamum indicum(Sesame) oil, Lac (milk)
Herbal extacts: Eclipta alba, Indigofera tinctoria (Indigo), Cardiospermum halicacabum (Baloon vine), Phyllanthus emblica (Gooseberry), Cocos nucifera (Coconut) Lavandula angustifolia oil (Lavander), Rosemarinus oficinalis oil (Rosemary), Glycyrrhiza glabra (Licorice)

birraj
June 7th, 2009, 08:03 AM
Hi All,
My update. The the shedding has reduced to 40 shreds now. I not using any oil from past 3 days after my head wash on Friday. I got the trihealth neeli oil. It smells wonderful. I like the smell of it. I called them and asked about the oil, they said it from Vaidyaratnam Oushadhasala, it is a old ayurveda company. Not sure the other oil was very bad and the smell. This one is very good smelling. Anyhow I am going to wait and see my shedding is going to stop or not.

Thanks for all your support.

Diamondbell
June 13th, 2009, 04:29 AM
I have the ingredients for the KOTTAKKAL Neelibhringadi hair oil(sesame oil-based)...
100 ml contains
Bhringharaj - 10 g
Yashti (liquorice) - 0.208 g
Ganja (Cannabis) - 0.208 g
Dhatriphala (amla) - 10 g
Satakratulata (baloon vine in English/ Mudakkatan in Tamil) - 10g
Ajakshira (?) - 10 g
Nalikerakshira - 10g
Mahishikshira - 10 g
Dhenukshira - 10 g
Anjanam - 0.28 g
------------------------------
So it has Anjanam - Black Antimony.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimony

Too bad! I never knew this! I was so sure that Kotakkal oil wouldn't have BlackAntimony. Anyway, I won't be using this oil now. I am switching over to pure sesame oil and may be Ramtirth hair oil which is coconut oil- based.

hennaphile
June 13th, 2009, 06:39 AM
I wonder if there is a bringrhaj extract or something I can use to spray on my scalp, I'm wary of oil.

mira-chan
June 14th, 2009, 09:47 PM
I wonder if there is a bringrhaj extract or something I can use to spray on my scalp, I'm wary of oil.
If you get bringhraj whole (or even powder) dried and make tea, that should work.

Diamondbell
June 14th, 2009, 11:00 PM
If you get bringhraj whole (or even powder) dried and make tea, that should work.

Bringharaj powder is good! I use the powder sometimes with henna. Using it as a tea is a good idea :)

hennaphile
June 15th, 2009, 06:17 AM
Do you mean internally? I'm trying to do it without oil...maybe I can mix coffee with it.

Diamondbell
June 15th, 2009, 06:58 AM
Not internally :redgrin: for the scalp I mean, you can make a hairpack with other herbs like henna or amla or brahmi powders etc.

birraj
June 15th, 2009, 08:14 AM
Diamondbell,
It is too bad that kottaikal also containd black antimony. I think it is better to get most of the ingredients in neeli oil and make a paste and sun dry it and put it in the oil so that we will have more control over toxins.

Birraj

Diamondbell
June 15th, 2009, 11:26 AM
Diamondbell,
It is too bad that kottaikal also containd black antimony. I think it is better to get most of the ingredients in neeli oil and make a paste and sun dry it and put it in the oil so that we will have more control over toxins.

Birraj


Yes, I agree with you - I feel very bad that I can't use Neelibringadhi any more because it was my favorite... But the same neelibringadi oil can be made at home, leaving out black antimony, if we have all the other ingredients. ... Hope your hair is in better condition now briraj!

Canarygirl
June 16th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Bringharaj powder is good! I use the powder sometimes with henna


How much of the bringharaj powder do you add to your henna, proportionately? Does it affect the color outcome at all?

Re: bringharaj oil, I really like the Banyan Botanicals brand; it is just sesame oil and bringharaj nothing more. It works much better for me than the Hesh brand, which ironically caused shedding for me every time I used it.

Diamondbell
June 16th, 2009, 08:34 PM
How much of the bringharaj powder do you add to your henna, proportionately? Does it affect the color outcome at all?

Re: bringharaj oil, I really like the Banyan Botanicals brand; it is just sesame oil and bringharaj nothing more. It works much better for me than the Hesh brand, which ironically caused shedding for me every time I used it.

I use just a little - 1 to 2 teaspoons of bringharaj powder along with henna, because only for hennaing I leave on a hairpack (in which there is henna, amla, yogurt etc too) on scalp for 3-5 hours. I am not sure if it affects the color in any way. But since it is supposed to be good for hair growth, I use it. The overall effect is good.

Othala
June 23rd, 2009, 04:34 AM
I find the Hesh bhringaraj powder to be old and "dead". Maybe this is just my perception but I get nothing good happening to my hair after using the powder as an infusion or steeped in oil.

Best results I have ever had with any oil is with the Kama Ayurveda bringadi intensive treatment which is sesame oil based and my summer hair essential.

Canarygirl
June 24th, 2009, 12:19 PM
Best results I have ever had with any oil is with the Kama Ayurveda bringadi intensive treatment which is sesame oil based and my summer hair essential.

Hmmmm.....do you mean by "best results" that this was good at stimulating faster hair growth, or reduction of shed hairs, both?

Othala
June 26th, 2009, 02:49 AM
Hmmmm.....do you mean by "best results" that this was good at stimulating faster hair growth, or reduction of shed hairs, both?

Reduced shedding from 250 hairs a day (scary) to 70 a day after a month of consistent use. Then after about 4 months shedding was down to 10 a day.

I haven't noticed any difference in growth rate.

The conditioning of the hair and scalp are marvellous!