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Hypnotica
November 11th, 2008, 02:12 AM
Just a little tale for your amusement:

A week ago, I decided to try out a honey lightning treatment. I mixed water, honey, ground cinnamon and a couple of drops of EEVO.

Bad, BAD idea. For some reason, it is next to impossible to get EEVO out of my hair. I took 5 (!) washes:

1. Diluted poo.
2. Full strenght poo.
3. Full strenght poo again.
4. Now I got desperate and used ordinary dish drops. This made my hair freak out royally and it felt coated (?).
5. Baking soda + water. After this = hair heaven again.


All this for nothing as the lightning only made my lenght seem more purple....

Katze
November 11th, 2008, 02:47 AM
sorry to hear that. When I first started trying to oil my hair, I would often have trouble getting it out of my hair, too. Now I only use a teeny, tiny bit, maybe only once per wash cycle, and mist or use leave-in the rest of the time.

I envy those who can heavily oil their hair and get good results, like my dreadlocked former roommate who got me into natural hair care.

As for honey, it never lightened my hair either. I think the results are, at best, very very hard to control or rely upon. Sunlight, however, has helped me get some nice natural streaks....that do only come out on freshly washed hair.

No matter what, your hair is a stunning color. Wow. Very pretty indeed!

Hypnotica
November 11th, 2008, 02:55 AM
sorry to hear that. When I first started trying to oil my hair, I would often have trouble getting it out of my hair, too. Now I only use a teeny, tiny bit, maybe only once per wash cycle, and mist or use leave-in the rest of the time.

I envy those who can heavily oil their hair and get good results, like my dreadlocked former roommate who got me into natural hair care.

As for honey, it never lightened my hair either. I think the results are, at best, very very hard to control or rely upon. Sunlight, however, has helped me get some nice natural streaks....that do only come out on freshly washed hair.

No matter what, your hair is a stunning color. Wow. Very pretty indeed!


Well, the honey and cinammon did provide me with a nice smell anyway...

Koskaan
November 11th, 2008, 02:56 AM
Yikes, that's not fun! :scared: I'm curious, though. What does EVOO do in a honey lightening treatment? Does it boost the effect of the honey or is it lightening on its own?

The same thing has happened to me once, not with EVOO, but when I tried a coconut milk soak. Nothing could get that stuff off my hair.

But, it could've been just a matter of choosing the right washing technique. I've used EVOO with scalp massaging and even left it on my hair for 30+ minutes. It only took one CO wash to get the oil off my hair. I was a little surprised, because conditioner doesn't have any real cleaning detergents. But it works. :)

vampodrama
November 11th, 2008, 03:08 AM
ugh, yeah, I know what you mean.

it happens to me every time when I attempt to use any kind of oil in my hair.

aisling
November 11th, 2008, 03:50 AM
EVOO and other slightly heavier oils like canola oil also sticks to my hair, at least they did back when I tested them :) I haven't tested them in ages, I'm happy with lighter oils like coconut oil and almond oil, they work great. I really see a difference between different oils and how they work.

Hypnotica
November 11th, 2008, 04:00 AM
Yikes, that's not fun! :scared: I'm curious, though. What does EVOO do in a honey lightening treatment? Does it boost the effect of the honey or is it lightening on its own?

The same thing has happened to me once, not with EVOO, but when I tried a coconut milk soak. Nothing could get that stuff off my hair.

But, it could've been just a matter of choosing the right washing technique. I've used EVOO with scalp massaging and even left it on my hair for 30+ minutes. It only took one CO wash to get the oil off my hair. I was a little surprised, because conditioner doesn't have any real cleaning detergents. But it works. :)

Yep, it's added as a booster.

ChloeDharma
November 11th, 2008, 04:13 AM
From what i've read it seems that people find it harder to remove oils with shampoo and a CO wash is much more effective. I think i've used 'poo once or twice on oiled hair but then conditioned anyway so never noticed a problem.
That said, i don't use EVOO so can't give specific advice on that, but i remove castor oil with a CO wash and i think that's one of the thickest oils i can think of.

Hypnotica
November 11th, 2008, 04:17 AM
From what i've read it seems that people find it harder to remove oils with shampoo and a CO wash is much more effective. I think i've used 'poo once or twice on oiled hair but then conditioned anyway so never noticed a problem.
That said, i don't use EVOO so can't give specific advice on that, but i remove castor oil with a CO wash and i think that's one of the thickest oils i can think of.

Troublr is, I can't CO. My hair gets build-up after one try!

ChloeDharma
November 11th, 2008, 04:49 AM
Troublr is, I can't CO. My hair gets build-up after one try!

What about using conditioner first to remove the oil....needs to be left on a while to be effective, then rinsing and doing a normal S&C afterwards? I'm not being like "you MUST use oil!" just thinking of ideas so that you have the option if you decide you want to :flower:

Hypnotica
November 11th, 2008, 04:54 AM
What about using conditioner first to remove the oil....needs to be left on a while to be effective, then rinsing and doing a normal S&C afterwards? I'm not being like "you MUST use oil!" just thinking of ideas so that you have the option if you decide you want to :flower:

Could work. But I think I'm going to stick with the lighter oils for now.

ChloeDharma
November 11th, 2008, 05:05 AM
Ah fair enough, like i say i don't use olive oil either, i only tried it once or twice and wasn't impressed...though i'm thinking of trying again as my hair is very different now compared to then and really it would be odd for my hair not to like it as it loves every other oil i've tried.

vampodrama
November 11th, 2008, 05:45 AM
CO doesn't do anything to remove the oil from my hair. not even when I CO first and then S&C afterwards.

straight up shampoo is the most effective for me. applied repeatedly. which ends up doing more damage that the oil might have done good.

jojo
November 11th, 2008, 06:52 AM
The secret to getting oil out of hair, even heavy oilings is to add shampoo straight to hair, no water let the shampoo emulsify the oil first, then add water to rinse.

vampodrama
November 11th, 2008, 06:56 AM
ooh, nifty advice!

will definitely try it next time I do a heavy oiling (with jojoba oil, no EVOO for me!)

Melisande
November 11th, 2008, 07:06 AM
I use EVOO in my hair regularly and love what it does to my hair. It took some getting used to, though. I find it washes out easily with diluted conditioner and then diluted shampoo without SLS.

Olive oil is also fantastic for my skin. I add some drops of EO orange and that changes the typical kitchen smell to a lovely mediterranean scent. IMO at least :)

LaurelSpring
November 11th, 2008, 07:14 AM
I've been doing castor oil/EVOO soaks at night and I havent had too much trouble getting it out. It didnt happen with shampoo bars though. My best bet has been diluted diluted shampoo and then conditioner. I am going to have to try the CO-diluted shampoo thing though. That would probably work too. Since I am trying to stay away from SLS, the last time I mixed up a batch of diluted baking soda, aubrey organic and dairy whip. This worked great also. I might play with this combination some more.

After the incredible results I've had with castor oil making my lashes about 3 times longer and darker and thicker. I want it to do that to my hair also so Im not ready to give up on that little experiment yet.

heidi w.
November 11th, 2008, 09:20 AM
Why are people using cooking oils (Olive Oil, EVOO is a type of Olive Oil -- it's just a branding label by Rachel Ray that is made popular and simply stands for Extra Virgin Olive Oil and she gets to charge more for it from what I see on the olive oil shelf), and not carrier oils such as Jojoba, Coconut (the one for hair & skin, not the cooking/salad dressing version), Sweet Almond Oil, Apricot Oil and so on....???

Any oiling, if left as a leave-in, should be light.

You can heavily oil with a carrier oil if intended to wash it out within 8 hours or less. In point of fact, though, you don't need a LOT of oil to heavily oil -- just heavier than for a leave-in.

In my demonstrating how to oil, I note most people use way too much oil when intending to leave in. This is the most common comment folks share when they see the demonstration.

Yes, I recognize there will still be folks for whom oiling with a carrier oil won't work, but for heaven's sake: Don't use cooking oils such as olive oil of any kind, nor things such as flax seed oil, or shortening of some kind.

heidi w.

jel
November 11th, 2008, 09:29 AM
Sorry to hear your hair doesn't like EVOO, Hypnotica! Mine absolutely *hearts* it... :cloud9:

When I do a heavy pre-wash oiling, I use about a teaspoon or two of EVOO. It soaks in, and any residue is easily removed by CWC-ing. I use a light conditioner as the first C, then a diluted liquid shampoo, and finally a heavier conditioner last.

Heidi, I can't speak for everyone, but I like EVOO because it is one of three oils shown to penetrate the hair shaft (the other two being coconut and avocado, if memory serves) - and my hair likes it (unlike coconut and avocado oils)!

plainjanegirl
November 11th, 2008, 09:30 AM
I am so sorry that you did not get any results with honey. Your color you have now is beautiful.

ChloeDharma
November 11th, 2008, 09:31 AM
Why are people using cooking oils (Olive Oil, EVOO is a type of Olive Oil -- it's just a branding label by Rachel Ray that is made popular and simply stands for Extra Virgin Olive Oil and she gets to charge more for it from what I see on the olive oil shelf), and not carrier oils such as Jojoba, Coconut (the one for hair & skin, not the cooking/salad dressing version), Sweet Almond Oil, Apricot Oil and so on....???

Any oiling, if left as a leave-in, should be light.

You can heavily oil with a carrier oil if intended to wash it out within 8 hours or less. In point of fact, though, you don't need a LOT of oil to heavily oil -- just heavier than for a leave-in.

In my demonstrating how to oil, I note most people use way too much oil when intending to leave in. This is the most common comment folks share when they see the demonstration.

Yes, I recognize there will still be folks for whom oiling with a carrier oil won't work, but for heaven's sake: Don't use cooking oils such as olive oil of any kind, nor things such as flax seed oil, or shortening of some kind.

heidi w.

Heidi, i don't understand why you are against using olive oil intended for cooking on the hair? If buying extra virgin olive oil it simply means that it is from the first pressing and is unrefined. It has a long history of use for hair and skin espeially in europe....sure some people don't get on with it....same as some don't get on with just about anything but that doesn't mean that nobody else should use it. I also don't understand you saying only to use coconut oil intended for cosmetic use and not the kind intended to eat. I've used most types of coconut oil and by far find the unrefined gave best results, and the cosmetic use one the worst result.

Darscilla
November 11th, 2008, 09:41 AM
All the more EVOO for me then! I don't know what my hair would do without that stuff. I'd say it can soak up a good teaspoon full, no problem. I use it as a leave-in and it gives me amazing slip and shine. It works better for me than conditioner. I use it as moisturiser for everywhere I have skin, too.
I've never had any trouble getting it out because I want it stay in! Apart from clarifying before I colour, and that only involves a simple shampooing.
I use EVOO rather than other oils because it suits my hair best, and it is easier and cheaper to come by. I can just get a big bottle for a couple of ££'s with my groceries rather than having to track down specialist aromatherapy products. I didn't realise there was any issue with using 'food' oils.

Aisha25
November 11th, 2008, 09:42 AM
Heidi, i don't understand why you are against using olive oil intended for cooking on the hair? If buying extra virgin olive oil it simply means that it is from the first pressing and is unrefined. It has a long history of use for hair and skin espeially in europe....sure some people don't get on with it....same as some don't get on with just about anything but that doesn't mean that nobody else should use it. I also don't understand you saying only to use coconut oil intended for cosmetic use and not the kind intended to eat. I've used most types of coconut oil and by far find the unrefined gave best results, and the cosmetic use one the worst result.
For me too every oils I use has to be for food and unrefined or else it does not go on this hair or skin. And who is racheal ray and what does she have to do with evoo????

ktani
November 11th, 2008, 09:56 AM
That is odd, given the amount of evoo that you used. Evoo has been reported to be difficult to wash out following a honey lightening recipe but usually when a tablespoon or more has been used.

I actually had one report that coconut oil was more difficult to wash out of the hair following honey lightening.

Honey lightening on hennaed hair can be tricky, but it has been reported to be quite successful.

Like anything else, there are variables.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=290516&postcount=2339

ChloeDharma
November 11th, 2008, 10:07 AM
For me too every oils I use has to be for food and unrefined or else it does not go on this hair or skin. And who is racheal ray and what does she have to do with evoo????

I've never heard of her either....but i'm sure that first pressing olive oil (extra virgin) was around long before she was.
I don't mean to sound harsh Heidi, i enjoy your posts....it's just i can't make any sense of this one.

heidi w.
November 11th, 2008, 10:19 AM
Heidi, i don't understand why you are against using olive oil intended for cooking on the hair? If buying extra virgin olive oil it simply means that it is from the first pressing and is unrefined. It has a long history of use for hair and skin espeially in europe....sure some people don't get on with it....same as some don't get on with just about anything but that doesn't mean that nobody else should use it. I also don't understand you saying only to use coconut oil intended for cosmetic use and not the kind intended to eat. I've used most types of coconut oil and by far find the unrefined gave best results, and the cosmetic use one the worst result.

I am pleased things work well for you, but for the vast majority, olive oil does not work well. It's overly viscous and difficult to get out, as the original poster commented. Just as it can be difficult to swipe off of bottles, especially once in a cooled state (not warm).

My sense of LHC is that we try to give reliable information about what will and won't work based on the majority experience even though people are welcome to state how something does work for them, even if they are not of this majority. Mostly, I want the OP and other readers to know that a majority do not have positive experiences using Olive Oil based on testimony I've read on this and other hair websites.

The idea with oiling is to continue the effort of sebum. Olive Oil doesn't mimic sebum -- Jojoba Oil most closely mimics sebum, a waxy ester. Sebum is not an oil even though we call it oily or greasy hair when the sebum is built up.

To each their own, nevertheless, but overwhelmingly, many do not have positive experiences with Olive Oil and often enough end up needing to clarify their hair, as the OP did in this testimony.

heidi w.

ktani
November 11th, 2008, 10:19 AM
Rachel Ray is a celebrity chef. She has absolutely nothing to do with extra virgin olive oil (in terms of its name), or it having a long history of use on hair.

It has been mentioned on the boards in recipes for conditioning before it was mentioned or tried in a honey lightening recipe. It has been reported to lighten hair colour somewhat on its own.

Extra virgin olive oil, if it is pure (not a mix of olive oil and extra virgin, (there are also different qualities), is recommended as a honey lightening booster because it can have a higher peroxide level than most other vegetable oils (technically it is a fruit oil), and it has been reported to be successful in this capacity.

"Peroxide value (PV) ..... Virgin olive oils are not exposed to such processes and the PVs permitted in these products are considerably higher. The IOOC and CAC standards permit extra-virgin olive oils to have PVs of up to 20 meq/kg .... pure olive oils, which by definition are blends of virgin and refined olive oils, must have PVs below 10 meq/kg."
J.R. Bell and P.N. Gillatt: (1994) Peroxide value (PV). Standards to ensure the authenticity of edible oils and fats. http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/T4660T/t4660t0e.htm

heidi w.
November 11th, 2008, 10:19 AM
People are welcome to disagree with me.

heidi w.

Akiko
November 11th, 2008, 10:21 AM
Raychael Ray is a cook and host her own TV show in the US. She is quite popular, I guess. I tried some of her recipes. But they are not for me. Over all, I was not impressed. She uses too much OLIVE OIL, I think.

heidi w.
November 11th, 2008, 10:31 AM
Folks should know that I know nothing of this Honey Lightening either. I'm only commenting on using Olive Oil on hair. This is an oil, not even close to a waxy ester which is what sebum is. Jojoba Oil most closely resembles sebum, of all the carrier oils.

For those interested in a coconut oil for use on hair and skin, it is available at Whole Foods, and through ordering directly, or requesting your grocer to order it for you.

This is the version of CO I use exclusively - unrefined
http://www.spectrumorganics.com/?id=205

http://www.spectrumorganics.com/?id=87
this is the coconut oil for cooking - refined

I hear that olive oil and the like have higher acid content than oils intended as carrier oils. Can't locate reliable info for anyone, and this has been one of those things that I've long hoped to find out more about. Unfortunately I work, and no one's writing on this stuff in an objective way -- such as not a seller's viewpoint.

Olive Oil can work quite well on skin, nevertheless. Just like always: a little goes a long way.

heidi w.

heidi w.
November 11th, 2008, 10:36 AM
Rachel Ray is a celebrity chef. She has absolutely nothing to do with extra virgin olive oil (in terms of its name), or it having a long history of use on hair.

It has been mentioned on the boards in recipes for conditioning before it was mentioned or tried in a honey lightening recipe. It has been reported to lighten hair colour somewhat on its own.

Extra virgin olive oil, if it is pure (not a mix of olive oil and extra virgin, (there are also different qualities), is recommended as a honey lightening booster because it can have a higher peroxide level than most other vegetable oils (technically it is a fruit oil), and it has been reported to be successful in this capacity.

"Peroxide value (PV) ..... Virgin olive oils are not exposed to such processes and the PVs permitted in these products are considerably higher. The IOOC and CAC standards permit extra-virgin olive oils to have PVs of up to 20 meq/kg .... pure olive oils, which by definition are blends of virgin and refined olive oils, must have PVs below 10 meq/kg."
J.R. Bell and P.N. Gillatt: (1994) Peroxide value (PV). Standards to ensure the authenticity of edible oils and fats. http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/T4660T/t4660t0e.htm

Regarding Rachel Ray, yes, that's my point--EVOO has been around since time immemorial, practically. EVOO has been around for a long time before her, but she now has a line of olive oil touting the use of the term "EVOO" and people, I think, imagine it's something different from other brands of extra virgin olive oil. It's fine to use EVOO more broadly in text here, but she is marketing it this way and this is my understanding of her intention: to nearly have it as a brand name that is associated with her product line, not wholly unlike a trademark (something I do for a living), but it'll never succeed as a trademark per se because of lack of distinctiveness as a way of explaining it. Nevertheless, marketing can create a relationship in the mind of the buying public, as it does for me. It's a catchy term!

http://www.famousfoods.com/rarayexviolo.html
Rachel Ray's EVOO

The only difference I note is price.

heidi w.

ktani
November 11th, 2008, 10:37 AM
heidi w.

My only confusion with your post was about where Rachel Ray fit into a discussion on olive oil. She is an Italian food chef (primarily) and may well have branded an extra virgin olive oil, but other than that, extra virgin olive oil has been around for centuries, no doubt longer.

It has been used on skin and hair for about that time or longer too.

ktani
November 11th, 2008, 10:45 AM
Regarding Rachel Ray, yes, that's my point--EVOO has been around since time immemorial, practically. EVOO has been around for a long time before her, but she now has a line of olive oil touting the use of the term "EVOO" and people, I think, imagine it's something different from other brands of extra virgin olive oil. It's fine to use EVOO more broadly in text here, but she is marketing it this way and this is my understanding of her intention: to nearly have it as a brand name that is associated with her product line, not wholly unlike a trademark (something I do for a living), but it'll never succeed as a trademark per se because of lack of distinctiveness as a way of explaining it. Nevertheless, marketing can create a relationship in the mind of the buying public, as it does for me. It's a catchy term!

http://www.famousfoods.com/rarayexviolo.html
Rachel Ray's EVOO

The only difference I note is price.

heidi w.

I agree that there is a lot of marketing hype these days. You and I must have been posting simultaneously, lol.

But IMO, most people are aware of extra virgin olive oil's existance pre Rachel Ray branding one.

If hers is special, it may be that it is a superior quality.

I have Italian neighbours who pay a small fortune for the evoo they cook with because they swear that it is the best quality.

heidi w.
November 11th, 2008, 10:49 AM
Right, I have an international grocery store near me, actually 2, and the olive oil dept in both is quite vast. People really care about their EVOO....to have some fun with the branding and to purposefully use it more broadly.

I've never heard EVOO referred to this way prior to Rachel Ray -- most in my purview simply stated Extra Virgin Olive Oil.

heidi w.

ktani
November 11th, 2008, 10:59 AM
heidi w.

Ah, I missed the point about her trademarking the term EVOO.

I find that quite amusing actually. She must have been lucky with that, lol. I thought the use of the term was quite extensive.

Now I see what you mean. I personally find that silly on her part but she will no doubt make money with it from the confused.

Anyone can simply look it up.

Olive oil connoisseurs argue quite a bit about the special qualities of a specific oil from what I understand, and define extra virgin in more than one way, due to how it is pressed and the olives it comes from.

Here is just one example of different pressing methods and qualities offered by a vendor.
http://www.elikioliveoil.com/

ChloeDharma
November 11th, 2008, 11:30 AM
Heidi, thanks for the clarification....it all makes much more sense now. That Rachel Ray isn't someone i've heard of and her branded olive oil as far as i know isn't sold here so i was unaware of her using the "EVOO" as a label....i actually thought it was an LHC abbreviation to save typing it out.
I should say that though i use extra virgin olive oil on food, i don't use it on my hair and the couple of times i tried it (a long time ago) i wasn't impressed, but again, to be fair at that point nothing was able to impress me as my hair was in such a state. So i can't claim anything like "yes it worked for me, you should use it" i just know it is used by some people....some love it, and like the OP some hate it.

Honey39
November 11th, 2008, 11:34 AM
I can get most oils out with a CO wash pretty easily - don't know why, but it works SO much better for me than shampoo, it gets everything out.

I used to use EVOO, but I have really gone off it lately. I think it leaves a residue. Lately I have found that jojoba oil or sweet almond oil are perfect for oiling, and CO washes gets even a heavy oiling out easily. I just don't like the sensation or smell of EVOO in my hair, but I'm not sure if I'm right? lol.

I thought I hated jojoba oil, but I realised that for me, my hair needs to be pretty damp before I apply oil for it to have the best benefit. Dry, doesn't do a damned thing, except it can make my hair crispy. Just washed, and I need a leave-in conditioner most. So I've been dampening my hair and applying a generous amount of jojoba oil, and then washing out the next morning. My hair does have a lovely sheen since I've started doing this again.

It's all trial and error though, about what really works for your particular hair. I quite like looking for people with similar hair to mine and finding out what works for them.

Melisande
November 11th, 2008, 12:05 PM
I never heard of this celeb chef and read the acronyms EVOO and ELOO on sites devoted to the Shangri La Diet. I noticed that Americans like to shorten everything, I don't know whether also IRL or only online ;-) and I like it.

I have different uses for oil. Jojoba oil mimicks sebum and I oil my scalp with it. Olive oil strengthens my lengths. I was surprised to discover it - I use a lot of different oils on my hair, and didn't expect much from olive oil. But when I soak my hair with it before a wash, it leaves my hair amazingly soft and stronger than before. And it washes out easily. So I'll continue to use it. I take it from my kitchen. I may eat my coconut oil soon just to try ;-)

heidi w.
November 11th, 2008, 12:14 PM
heidi w.

Ah, I missed the point about her trademarking the term EVOO.

I find that quite amusing actually. She must have been lucky with that, lol. I thought the use of the term was quite extensive.

Now I see what you mean. I personally find that silly on her part but she will no doubt make money with it from the confused.

Anyone can simply look it up.

Olive oil connoisseurs argue quite a bit about the special qualities of a specific oil from what I understand, and define extra virgin in more than one way, due to how it is pressed and the olives it comes from.

Here is just one example of different pressing methods and qualities offered by a vendor.
http://www.elikioliveoil.com/

I'm saying she can't trademark EVOO, but she DOES market it in a branding name manner. While there can be a dovetail between branding and trademark in trademark-speak, these actually are different things (branding v. trademark). Branding doesn't necessarily mean something is or will be trademark-able. I just notice in her show she's always pouring EVOO over everything, using her EVOO brand of bottled EVOO marketed as "EVOO Rachel Ray" (link provided above as Exhibit A)

Yeah, I just said that! LOL <walks away giggling>

heidi w.

ktani
November 11th, 2008, 12:19 PM
I'm saying she can't trademark EVOO, but she DOES market it in a branding name manner. While there can be a dovetail between branding and trademark in trademark-speak, these actually are different things (branding v. trademark). Branding doesn't necessarily mean something is or will be trademark-able. I just notice in her show she's always pouring EVOO over everything, using her EVOO brand of bottled EVOO marketed as "EVOO Rachel Ray" (link provided above as Exhibit A)

Yeah, I just said that! LOL <walks away giggling>

heidi w.

"Rachael Says “EVOO is extra virgin olive oil. I first coined "EVOO" on my cooking show because saying "extra virgin olive oil" over and over was wordy ....”
http://www.famousfoods.com/rarayexviolo.html

So her claim of first coining the term is not a claim or attemt to trademark, got it. That is where I got confused again.

Kirin
November 11th, 2008, 12:35 PM
Trademarking the term "EVOO" I find absolutely hilarious. That term was not coined by her at all, as a matter of fact on your regular supermarket shelf Extra Virgin Olive Oil is marked that way on the shelf sticker "EVOO 8 oz". Hahahaha..... what some people won't do to claim something.

Its not a term, its an abbreviation! LOL.

Anyway, I too cant use olive oil in my hair, or even shampoo bars or conditioners that contain it or its heavy/greasy/waxy. No idea why.

ktani
November 11th, 2008, 12:41 PM
Technically, Rachel Ray did not call evoo a term I did incorrectly. You are right it is an abbreviation. I find it funny too.

heidi w.
November 11th, 2008, 02:01 PM
Trademarking the term "EVOO" I find absolutely hilarious. That term was not coined by her at all, as a matter of fact on your regular supermarket shelf Extra Virgin Olive Oil is marked that way on the shelf sticker "EVOO 8 oz". Hahahaha..... what some people won't do to claim something.

Its not a term, its an abbreviation! LOL.

Anyway, I too cant use olive oil in my hair, or even shampoo bars or conditioners that contain it or its heavy/greasy/waxy. No idea why.


Please read me more carefully. I actually stated that Rachel Ray cannot trademark it, most likely; however, she is using it in a branding way, and I offered a link to one of her EVOO brands.

So, just out of sake of curiosity, I went to the US PTO site and looked up EVOO
and here is an abandoned registration stemming from reg date of 2005

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=srhkfk.2.3
Rachel Ray EVOO
This is dead due to a failure to respond as of March 2008 (the final failure to respond request was sent Feb 2008, but this is declared in Mar 2008 )
In Intl Class 029 which is for meats and processed foods
this was for the complete word mark RACHEL RAY EVOO (ahh, her name is the distinction! of course!-- a 3 word block letter mark)
An office action went out about a disclaimer on the term EVOO, which went unresponded.

(Welcome to my world! LOL. I'm kinda havin' fun -- hope no one minds the digression!)

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=srhkfk.2.5
here's one from Jennifer Bahney -- anyone remember her? I do. The goods are for skin and hair use EVOO. She's a former long hair world person -- she may still be involved over, oh goodness, what's that site?? This too is dead.


THUS, I STAND CORRECTED.

I do note that the US PTO in several other instances has required the disclaimer on the EVOO term itself in several other instances of such applications. The disclaimer is essentially about that EVOO as a general term for public use.

SOOO, the US PTO IS allowing EVOO....hmm. Interesting!
Page of hits on EVOO from US PTO (PTO = Patent and Trademark Office, no matter the country...this is US PTO)
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=toc&state=srhkfk.1.1&p_search=searchstr&BackReference=&p_L=100&p_plural=no&p_s_PARA1=EVOO&p_tagrepl&#37;7E%3A=PARA1%24ALL&expr=PARA1+or+PARA2&p_s_PARA2=&p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA2%24ALL&a_default=search&f=toc&state=srhkfk.1.1&a_search=Submit+Query


heidi w.

Kirin
November 11th, 2008, 02:14 PM
Please read me more carefully. I actually stated that Rachel Ray cannot trademark it, most likely; however, she is using it in a branding way, and I offered a link to one of her EVOO brands.

So, just out of sake of curiosity, I went to the US PTO site and looked up EVOO
and here is an abandoned registration stemming from reg date of 2005

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=srhkfk.2.3
Rachel Ray EVOO
This is dead due to a failure to respond as of March 2008 (the final failure to respond request was sent Feb 2008, but this is declared in Mar 2008 )
In Intl Class 029 which is for meats and processed foods
this was for the complete word mark RACHEL RAY EVOO (ahh, her name is the distinction! of course!-- a 3 word block letter mark)
An office action went out about a disclaimer on the term EVOO, which went unresponded.

(Welcome to my world! LOL. I'm kinda havin' fun -- hope no one minds the digression!)

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=srhkfk.2.5
here's one from Jennifer Bahney -- anyone remember her? I do. The goods are for skin and hair use EVOO. She's a former long hair world person -- she may still be involved over, oh goodness, what's that site?? This too is dead.


THUS, I STAND CORRECTED.

I do note that the US PTO in several other instances has required the disclaimer on the EVOO term itself in several other instances of such applications.

SOOO, the US PTO IS allowing EVOO....hmm. Interesting!
Page of hits on EVOO from US PTO (PTO = Patent and Trademark Office, no matter the country...this is US PTO)
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=toc&state=srhkfk.1.1&p_search=searchstr&BackReference=&p_L=100&p_plural=no&p_s_PARA1=EVOO&p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA1%24ALL&expr=PARA1+or+PARA2&p_s_PARA2=&p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA2%24ALL&a_default=search&f=toc&state=srhkfk.1.1&a_search=Submit+Query


heidi w.

Sorry I wasn't exactly responding to your post but the others just added into what I knew of her trying to trademark "EVOO"

ktani
November 11th, 2008, 02:18 PM
heidi w.

So there are attempts to trademark the abbreviation EVOO.

Fascinating and totally illogical to me. But fascinating nonetheless.

As a further digression along the same lines IMO, I wonder how Paris Hilton is making out with trademarking "That's hot"? lol (that is not a serious question) I do not care, lol. Apparently she was successful. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/08/AR2007090800448.html I was just double checking that I had the correct expression.

heidi w.
November 11th, 2008, 02:32 PM
Ktani, Your Request is my Amusement!

Paris Hilton has many trademarks

Here's THAT'S HOT
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=lhe5kb.3.28
As of April 23, 2007 (file date)
It's ALIVE!!
(said in my best Franken-steen voice)

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=lhe5kb.3.31
here's the 2007 one

Variety of hits for trademarks from US PTO under owner, Paris Hilton
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=toc&state=lhe5kb.1.1&p_search=searchss&p_L=50&BackReference=&p_plural=yes&p_s_PARA1=&p_tagrepl&#37;7E%3A=PARA1%24LD&expr=PARA1+AND+PARA2&p_s_PARA2=Paris+Hilton&p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA2%24OW&p_op_ALL=AND&a_default=search&a_search=Submit+Query&a_search=Submit+Query


I'm most amused by Paris and Tinkerbell! Now abandoned.

ETA: One busy girl in the trademark world! She's definitely a smart business woman to find a way to cash in on her name. She can thank Tina Turner for that, one of the earlier people who did that. (Although she may not be the very first one who did that....that might be an interesting bit of lore -- famous personages and trademarking of things)

heidi w.

ktani
November 11th, 2008, 02:35 PM
Ktani, Your Request is my Amusement!

Paris Hilton has many trademarks

Here's THAT'S HOT
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=lhe5kb.3.28
As of April 23, 2007 (file date)
It's ALIVE!!

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=lhe5kb.3.31
here's the 2007 one

Variety of hits for trademarks from US PTO under owner, Paris Hilton
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=toc&state=lhe5kb.1.1&p_search=searchss&p_L=50&BackReference=&p_plural=yes&p_s_PARA1=&p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA1%24LD&expr=PARA1+AND+PARA2&p_s_PARA2=Paris+Hilton&p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA2%24OW&p_op_ALL=AND&a_default=search&a_search=Submit+Query&a_search=Submit+Query


I'm most amused by Paris and Tinkerbell! Now abandoned.

heidi w.

Thank you so much! There was a rash of silliness in the Honey thread the other day and I was laughing so hard I was crying, lol.

This is the second time in a few days. The boards are indeed therapy, lol.

heidi w.
November 11th, 2008, 02:40 PM
I kept looking through the hits and found

TINKERBELL HILTON
(now abandoned mark)

Bwaaahahaaahaa! I have this vision of chihuahua greeting me at the Hotel Hostess desk!

Bwaahahahaa!

I have a long haired Chihuahua. Maybe I'll figure out how to post her Halloween Ladybug pix!

LOL

heidi w.

ktani
November 11th, 2008, 02:58 PM
heidi w.

You are very fortunate, IMO. I know of few jobs than can also provide true comic relief, LOL.

Aisha25
November 11th, 2008, 07:25 PM
Raychael Ray is a cook and host her own TV show in the US. She is quite popular, I guess. I tried some of her recipes. But they are not for me. Over all, I was not impressed. She uses too much OILVE OIL, I think.
Thank you Akiko and Ktani I had no idea who she is and I never even knew she make evoo or she even used that word. Thanks for saying me.

ktani
November 11th, 2008, 08:01 PM
Thank you Akiko and Ktani I had no idea who she is and I never even knew she make evoo or she even used that word. Thanks for saying me.

You are most welcome.

I have watched some of her shows. She is very bubbly and charming and some of her recipes look good but I had no idea about her brand of extra virgin olive oil. She does tend to be heavy handed when cooking with evoo.

spidermom
November 11th, 2008, 08:14 PM
It's so odd to me how our hair can be so different from each other. I've never had trouble getting EVOO out of my hair. I use diluted shampoo CWC style, and it has to be a really heavy oiling to need two washings to get it out. Most of the time, once through does it.